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Homeless/A personal view

  • 06-08-2016 2:53pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    Boards..

    I read a comment last week on a thread about homelessness and they are out to milk system blah blah ,the same worn out sentences are wheeled out every time it comes up in the media,its with that in mind i wrote the below

    i became homeless 3 months ago,here is my viewpoint and firsthand account..im telling this to inform and let the people have a real insight into the depths people have to go..

    I'm disabled,simples ..have wheelchair will travel
    since i became homeless my eyes have been opened to the pain and suffering ,if anybody thinks its done for a lifestyle change or theres something to be gained from being homeless then think again ..

    the homeless unit in Cork operates like this .

    you get recipet for where you stayed i.e. hotel or b&b, for single people its a max of 50 euro a night ,in my case i need two carers with me,one is getting carers and the other person is an extra help that nobody pays for,i was told that i would get a hundred euro no matter how i needed to be near a lift or have a shower in room i would have to make the best of what was available.

    I was staying with a familly member on a couch which i was so grateful for,but was no way suitable for me..i tried everything to stop me going the route of hotels but as everybody knows there is no houses to rent,being disabled its awareness that says I'm at the bottom of list when it comes to renting,landlords want professional people not disabled with electric bed,wheelchair,meds etc etc rocking up to door,if i fall who is to blame?

    so the first time i went to homeless unit i arrived at 9am as i wanted to be first in queue,doors opened at 9.30,i was met by a security guard to be told that i couldn't get in as they didn't have wheelchair access,under health and safety he couldn't support me to drag chair on path ,and even if he did inside the building had steps etc..

    so they held the clinic in the middle of road,i filled forms and discussed medical issues and the cwo issued a cheque as i sat in the middle of road..of course the road wasn't fit to put a wheelchair on and when i fell out of chair getting to car it was the cream on top of a bad day.

    for example i stayed in west cork last night,then i would have to be payed in that district say bandon,then its bandon cwo,all my services are where i lived before and i was switching between cork and previous place ,there was no leeway when i asked to stop making me drive 180miles as the driving was making me ill and the pain from fissures was killing me.. no,the rules are the rules

    by going to cwo,i was saying i have no money(thats why they are there) but they insisted that i pay for hotel and bring them recipets,when i told them i hadn't that money to give they closed the window.

    when i waited outside the homeless unit on a thursday afternoon and it didn't open up ,i rang them to find out they don't as the website says open from 2 to 4
    i asked why hadn't they changed it,its not my job to change it

    it didn't matter to them that i was driving to bins to dump my adult nappies,it didn't matter that i was so ill from the stress of looking and trying to find accommodation that i had pushed myself to the brink..
    i was told if I'm that ill,its hospital i should be in..(i asked were they double jobbing as doctor/cwo)


    i had meds to take every 4 hours that zone me out so the out at 9 in at 5 hotel goosed me,i had to tell a story of being at medical appointments (kinda true)

    i was also warned not to approach media or highlight my needs,i would not only mess it up for me and find no room at the inn but theres hundreds of people moving around that it would affect.that hotels in cork knew that hundreds were being moved around and are pushing up prices (one hotel had 900 euro for a double room on a monday night) its summer and when the sun shines etc etc

    because of not having address

    i can't access ot/hse services,i tried to get a electric wheelchair but nobody will see me till i had an address

    i lost a heating payment due to not having an address (poor house and its illness)

    i can't get home help (no address)

    i have sores that need urgent attention(no address for nurse)

    there is the effect of this on dignity,self respect and the baring of the soul that goes deep into a place

    the frontline people are broken disillousned from the amount of pain and peoples stories they face everyday,they are trying but getting nowhere fast..
    there is no respect for the homeless person..

    in west cork they have no homeless plan ..2016 and they have taken an ostrich approach to homeless..

    now the above might be seen as a woe is me story ,but I'm fluffyAngel and i intend to use and tell my story to further and improve services for everybody,i have a voice and stood my ground,but theres a lot of people accepting this as their fate,it shouldn't be and i feel as an Irish citizen that i have to,as a human i want to hold my hand in support to the next person

    the biggest surprise is the kindness in unexpected places,
    the irish system is set up for Victims,the more pained you are the "more" you get..

    having told my story with the added bit"I'm not a victim" 4/5 times a day it was a pleasure to hit McDonnell's drive thru and not be judged,i was able to laugh and lose myself..i made coffee friends,they could see my car and tell me my order..it was a joy to be greeted with a smile and warmth..

    please don't judge,if you want to do something ,be the change you want to see in the world,(gandhi )

    Peace


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    I hope you don't mind me asking ...could you explain a bit more about why you were warned to stay away from the media ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    If i wanted to remain in accommodation ,my story is standout for being ill wheelchair and having a voice..

    they would find some excuse to not take me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭failinis


    Is there not someone in Cork/nearby where you are who could offer for you to stay at their address, for long enough that you can actually say "yes i have an address" for the things you are currently denied?
    Its hardly going to magically fix everything but would at least help in some respects.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    OP, thanks for sharing. We care.
    Your life sounds like a nightmare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    snubbleste wrote: »
    OP, thanks for sharing. We care.
    Your life sounds like a nightmare.


    I see why you say that,but if I'm really truthful its a spiritual journey and as hard as i try i don't see the bad or nastiness in it ..

    want to know the hardest part?

    telling frontline staff i care and understand and im going to help them..
    that i care


    one woman got it ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Just heard a horrible bit of news, where I live in Edinburgh is on a really nice, quiet, idyllic river walkway.
    I've been taking my dog there for the last few weeks and extending the walk bit by bit as she gets fitter.
    One section of it is closed off as the pathway fell away in heavy rains earlier in the year (it's still passable but you have to mind your footing).

    Last time I noticed a tent was setup in this closed off area, seemed to have a clothesline and all sorts.
    Just heard news reports this morning that a tree fell on it during the night killing a man inside the tent.

    They're calling it "wild camping" but the poor lad was homeless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    seen that on the news, trust me when i say theres a massive underbelly of homeless that isn't being discussed


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    You sound like your own worst enemy to be honest you could use your relatives address to get access to help

    And what happened to your son not getting carers alliance as per your last thread?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Stheno wrote: »
    You sound like your own worst enemy to be honest you could use your relatives address to get access to help

    And what happened to your son not getting carers alliance as per your last thread?

    Well done you, give yourself a big slap on the back and be proud of yourself! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    If i wanted to remain in accommodation ,my story is standout for being ill wheelchair and having a voice..

    they would find some excuse to not take me
    How do you mean?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭Welruc


    €900 for a hotel room in Cork... on a Monday night. The celtic tiger must be back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    Stheno wrote: »
    You sound like your own worst enemy to be honest you could use your relatives address to get access to help

    And what happened to your son not getting carers alliance as per your last thread?

    great ,i was wondering how long it would take for after hours to wake up..
    I'm going to respect you questioning

    and give you the answer,apart from a mod hat ,what qualifications have you to dissect and analysis? and might i add come up with a truth in your head not the actual reality..

    and its relative not relatives
    as its the same for hotel ,bed,doctors,nurses etc its the same for my (singular) relative..nobody wants the hassle,when i was in hospital the nurses were talking about the amount of people dropping relatives at the doors and walking away,according to them its due to stress,not getting services,and exhaustion..
    because people are related doesn't make them begotten to a person..

    some people are cruel ,some people are kind and so on and on ,its human nature


    under data protection act I'm not allowed discuss what he is or isn't getting
    (your not really reading my last thread)this is about me not him(he is a adult and has his own voice) and my last point is,this is a snapshot to whats going on in the world outside of board/mod/laptop towers,not a chance for to have a go or judge..

    but as i typed ,its human nature


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    great ,i was wondering how long it would take for after hours to wake up..
    I'm going to respect you questioning

    and give you the answer,apart from a mod hat ,what qualifications have you to dissect and analysis? and might i add come up with a truth in your head not the actual reality..

    and its relative not relatives
    as its the same for hotel ,bed,doctors,nurses etc its the same for my (singular) relative..nobody wants the hassle,when i was in hospital the nurses were talking about the amount of people dropping relatives at the doors and walking away,according to them its due to stress,not getting services,and exhaustion..
    because people are related doesn't make them begotten to a person..

    some people are cruel ,some people are kind and so on and on ,its human nature


    under data protection act I'm not allowed discuss what he is or isn't getting
    (your not really reading my last thread)this is about me not him(he is a adult and has his own voice) and my last point is,this is a snapshot to whats going on in the world outside of board/mod/laptop towers,not a chance for to have a go or judge..

    but as i typed ,its human nature

    With all due respect, you're the one who mentioned your son and his allowances. It's perfectly reasonable of someone to question the outcome.

    And again, with all due respect, yours is not the standard homeless person situation. Your ill health makes things much, much, much more difficult for you than it is for your average homeless person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    This upsets me deeply, would you be opposed to the idea of fundraising? Irish people are incredibly good at coming together when someone is down not their luck.

    It's such a shame that adequate help isn't provided for the people who actually need it.

    I do maintain my views that there are people out there who abuse the social welfare system etc (obviously I am not saying you OP).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    sullivlo wrote: »
    With all due respect, you're the one who mentioned your son and his allowances. It's perfectly reasonable of someone to question the outcome.

    And again, with all due respect, yours is not the standard homeless person situation. Your ill health makes things much, much, much more difficult for you than it is for your average homeless person.

    there is very very similar storys out there,we as a nation have them buried because they are too shameful to deal with ,what about the drug addict with hep c? the alcoholic who has liver failure? the working parents who are homeless with autism children,just under the skin are storys but shame or judgement prevents them being told

    im not quite sure sure ,but if you asked anybody whose pain is worse theirs or mine they would say (I'm guessing) theirs

    surely a county without a homeless plan is worth finding out about instead of allowances,or even a government building that disabled people can't get into..

    or broken staff ? my son is doing a job that i don't want him to be doing,but love and respect guides him

    can we not go down this road ? really..the reasoning I'm using is theres too much pain in the world without adding to it ,see the part where i said carer...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    222233 wrote: »
    This upsets me deeply, would you be opposed to the idea of fundraising? Irish people are incredibly good at coming together when someone is down not their luck.

    It's such a shame that adequate help isn't provided for the people who actually need it.

    I do maintain my views that there are people out there who abuse the social welfare system etc (obviously I am not saying you OP).

    You can say that about anything in the public system though unfortunately. I was told by my GP that I need to see a neurologist urgently. There is a two year wait. The system is broken.

    But it remains the fact that the needs of the OP are entirely different to those of your average homeless person. I'm not sure that the homeless persons office are equipped to deal with the needs of the OP, the problem being that I can't think of any cross-department system that would work for the needs of the OP as they are quite specific needs.

    OP have you spoken to local TDs for their advice? Different government sections don't work together, sometimes they need a push to think outside the box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    there is very very similar storys out there,we as a nation have them buried because they are too shameful to deal with ,what about the drug addict with hep c? the alcoholic who has liver failure? the working parents who are homeless with autism children,just under the skin are storys but shame or judgement prevents them being told

    im not quite sure sure ,but if you asked anybody whose pain is worse theirs or mine they would say (I'm guessing) theirs

    surely a county without a homeless plan is worth finding out about instead of allowances,or even a government building that disabled people can't get into..

    or broken staff ? my son is doing a job that i don't want him to be doing,but love and respect guides him

    can we not go down this road ? really..the reasoning I'm using is theres too much pain in the world without adding to it ,see the part where i said carer...

    Again, with all due respect, no two situations are ever the same so comparisons are difficult to make.

    People tend not to discuss their personal issues in public, I don't think it's shame preventing them, I think it's just a desire to maintain dignity and maintain a face in public. I'm sure everyone on boards has something that they could add to the thread about the system or the homeless person who lives in their street or the drug addicts on their commute.

    But it is impossible to compare.

    I'm a carer for my great aunt. I don't think it's love and respect that guides me to that - it's the humane thing to do. You don't want your son doing it; he would not do it if he didn't want to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    OP, do you have a social worker? Or an occupational therapist? Can they advocate to the council to house you as a medical priority? If you have medical needs, many homeless services have nurses on site. Or you could present at A and E. This way you could request to see a social worker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    sullivlo wrote: »
    You can say that about anything in the public system though unfortunately. I was told by my GP that I need to see a neurologist urgently. There is a two year wait. The system is broken.

    But it remains the fact that the needs of the OP are entirely different to those of your average homeless person. I'm not sure that the homeless persons office are equipped to deal with the needs of the OP, the problem being that I can't think of any cross-department system that would work for the needs of the OP as they are quite specific needs.

    OP have you spoken to local TDs for their advice? Different government sections don't work together, sometimes they need a push to think outside the box.

    your right,(but veering wrong)
    every government building by law should be accessible.bit of common sense or empathy with staff?

    talked to a good few and like most depts,people are lacking answers right across the board


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    OP, do you have a social worker? Or an occupational therapist? Can they advocate to the council to house you as a medical priority? If you have medical needs, many homeless services have nurses on site. Or you could present at A and E. This way you could request to see a social worker.

    a doctor suggested last week to lay in the middle of road,but i have respect and dignity and aware to know that the houses aren't there ,private,council, to buy or rent ..

    I'm working on solutions..
    this post is an awareness post and not seeking answers ,sympathy or anything else..

    its my story of being homeless


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    your right,(but veering wrong)
    every government building by law should be accessible.bit of common sense or empathy with staff?

    talked to a good few and like most depts,people are lacking answers right across the board

    Again, with all due respect, where is the money to make buildings accessible going to come from? Most government buildings were built years ago without any thoughts to who might need to get in further down the line.

    What needs to happen, IMO, is an accessible area where representatives from the various offices attend once a week (or however frequently) so that all the people are under one roof and that makes things easier for the person who needs to access them.

    And I'm not sure where your "veering wrong" comment comes from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 poppy81


    Stheno wrote: »
    You sound like your own worst enemy to be honest you could use your relatives address to get access to help

    And what happened to your son not getting carers alliance as per your last thread?

    As this and most of your posts ( in all other forums) will confirm, you are a ball bag. Know it all, soap box standing, nasty sad person. Banned but totally worth it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    a doctor suggested last week to lay in the middle of road,but i have respect and dignity and aware to know that the houses aren't there ,private,council, to buy or rent ..

    I'm working on solutions..
    this post is an awareness post and not seeking answers ,sympathy or anything else..

    its my story of being homeless

    People are posting with ideas or recommendations to try to HELP you. Fair enough, you are trying to raise awareness but people are suggesting things to alleviate your situation.
    You also do not know that there are no council houses available to you. They are not listed or advertised but there are purpose built places for people with disabilities. You seem quite defensive but people are just trying to help you.


  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Melina Straight Shoplifter


    Op is homeless. Doesn't want to burden his son by using his address (a serious burden alright) and goes on mindless rants about nothing to so with the subject, date protection wtf.

    Register yourself to your sons address and cop on your an adult, he should be taking you in let alone not wanting to burden him by asking him to accept post on your behalf.

    If my father was disabled and about to go live on the streets because he felt he was burdening me I would chain his wheelchair inside the house as I'm sure any other rational person reading this would


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Yeah, sorry OP but there's a lot more to this than you are letting on.


  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Melina Straight Shoplifter


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Yeah, sorry OP but there's a lot more to this than you are letting on.

    Well its quite clear the op is not "mentally" there. Situation could be improved by doing 1 simple thing, not going to do it.
    Why?
    Don't know!
    It's a conspiracy the government is to blame. Not even going to try to make the situation better, I'll post on the internet instead!

    I know what I'd be doing if I was bloody homeless and the last thing would be posting on the internet , I'd have that son taking more post than the GPO and get the accommodation sorted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    see this is what i was fearing ,mentally not there ? are you for real? theres a lot of people here who are mouthing off about stuff they know nothing about..

    its not fair to people that support me getting called out by knobs on the net..

    to the government buildings comment ..
    totally get the no money ,thats why I'm happy to use services as a springboard to empower and guide myself,i want to learn so i can under stand and empower myself

    surely the officials would have that meeting and say ,lets get a sign up saying if your disabled or needs that can't be met here ring this number..
    instead of the shame of getting needs met in the middle of road

    or

    why make laws if the lawmakers can't abide by them

    or

    that post reads like,il complain if i don't get what i want or need ,but anyone else get in a corner,
    why should i go to a different building ? is it I'm not able bodied so not worthy of being treated as an equal..

    social workers for adults are a myth,only if elderly etc

    see thats the problem with disability ,able bodied people making decisions for disabled people..i fell out of my chair,the roads/paths are not for chairs,so should i stay in and not get out to access services? how can they change if nothing is said

    is there more to the story ? yup.. how the humanity of people has reduced me to tears

    how people who i despised came to my help and supported,how hate turned to love and respect

    how I'm going to change this

    how years of abuse in the care of ireland has taught me that there will never be dark days again,how i now can become the change i see and want in the world..


    its a story to guide and learn ,if you don't get that then don't comment :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    How did you becone homeless?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    bigpink wrote: »
    How did you becone homeless?

    Is there a reason for asking this other than to determine whether the OP "deserves" your sympathy, social services, or time on the forum? Because if you know of something that might help the OP that depends on the reason for becoming homeless, please just share it... it might help someone else.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    as for the address..

    its not my sons address,by the time services get around to coming and assessing it takes six months..

    all services are now linked,as an example,if my lived in a council house and my son put me "on" his address.. then rent increases social welfareetc etc etc and it goes on.

    its all hassle and questions and extra weight,people get offended by using their personal space for "gain"

    by using a persons address I'm saying that the 4 years on waiting list is gone,as you have to be assed from the address your staying in .

    if I'm saying i live in city then its the city council i apply to for housing and in one stroke of a pen/keyboard 4 years are gone and I'm back to queue start..

    its a chicken and egg ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    mods could you lock this please.

    its intended to be a story to learn from not to place me on the court of boards..
    the story is there to learn and inform

    im not looking for anything nor want sympathy or to upset anybody,its intended purpose is to add my voice and hopefully become useful to somebody



    please lock


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    just to add

    its not just buildings that don't have access

    try going by train to Dublin in a chair,its like trying to score a bullseye with a dart from a mile away

    dart lifts don't work,stranded on platforms is becoming a hobby of mine

    shops are like assault courses
    toilets that have a sticker to get past legislation but don't allow chairs in..
    toilets that have the emergency cord cut (they are a nuisance)

    and so on and on..

    theres no need to throw vast amounts of money at anything,just plain common sense and ability to listen to people..together we can build a community that empowers people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Can't offer much in the way of advice, but two things. One, if you're ill and have sores that need urgent attention, you need to present at A&E. If you're unable to get a nurse due to your living situation, presenting at A&E is how you'll get the sores seen to.


    With regards to hotels, a quick look on Laterooms has 5 available in Cork for €100 or less.


    http://www.laterooms.com/en/k16837518_cork-hotels.aspx?k=Cork%2C++Ireland&n=1&d=20160807&rt=2-0&distanceUnit=on&pr-min=88&pr-max=259&SortOrder=Price&SortedAscending=true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    just to add

    its not just buildings that don't have access

    try going by train to Dublin in a chair,its like trying to score a bullseye with a dart from a mile away

    dart lifts don't work,stranded on platforms is becoming a hobby of mine

    shops are like assault courses
    toilets that have a sticker to get past legislation but don't allow chairs in..
    toilets that have the emergency cord cut (they are a nuisance)

    and so on and on..

    theres no need to throw vast amounts of money at anything,just plain common sense and ability to listen to people..together we can build a community that empowers people

    None of these are as a result of being homeless... I understand your frustrations and I sympathise with your situation. But your situation is extremely unique no matter which angle you look at it from: very few homeless people need wheelchairs; very few people in wheelchairs are homeless.

    And because of this, there is no list of guidelines to follow for what to do. Which is why I think you need to contact any people or charities that can help, and forge your own way through the system. I know that it sucks and that you shouldn't have to do it, but sometimes we need to be proactive about things to get things done.

    I would start by contacting homeless services/charities in your locality to assess what assistance they can offer. I would then contact the Irish wheelchair assosciation to see whether they have staff that could attend appointments with you - I doubt you're the only wheelchair user that has issues accessing facilities, they might have advice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    With all due respect, boards is a discussion form and not a blog, so naturally people want to discuss.
    I'm really sorry that you haven't been taken care of yet, it's absolutely **** that you're still homeless. However, I'm a bit taken aback that your son can't take you in or lend you his address because it'll push up his rent and have his social welfare cut. Why is that more important than his disabled father in a wheelchair and in poor health? I would not see any of my family on the streets, especially not my father.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    Irish Wheelchair Association has a dedicated housing section http://www.iwa.ie/services/housing/iwa-housing-advocacy It says it is mainly based in Dublin but has local / outreach sections. Have you already tried this group OP because if not maybe they'd be a help.

    I second Penny Tration about going to A & E to get any sores looked at. It must be agonisingly painful and surely will only get worse if you don't get them treated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    sullivlo wrote: »
    None of these are as a result of being homeless... I understand your frustrations and I sympathise with your situation. But your situation is extremely unique no matter which angle you look at it from: very few homeless people need wheelchairs; very few people in wheelchairs are homeless.

    And because of this, there is no list of guidelines to follow for what to do. Which is why I think you need to contact any people or charities that can help, and forge your own way through the system. I know that it sucks and that you shouldn't have to do it, but sometimes we need to be proactive about things to get things done.

    I would start by contacting homeless services/charities in your locality to assess what assistance they can offer. I would then contact the Irish wheelchair assosciation to see whether they have staff that could attend appointments with you - I doubt you're the only wheelchair user that has issues accessing facilities, they might have advice.

    thanks for that Sullio, i agree totally about foraging a way through but i would add for me doing it without causing pain and with empathy.

    me writing about homeless is just to give insight and understanding ,for years charity and society say homeless is about drink,drugs,sleeping rough and that picture is indented on society..as a nation we need to change that perception as its hurting people

    last week i listened to joe duffy and a woman who works and her partner are homeless and can't afford 1300 rent a month

    i would say theres a lot of homeless people who have conditions equal to me..they just don't have a voice?(I'm not sure)or they have found a way through


    thanks for advice about charities

    I'm sure there is rooms for a hundred euro,but i didn't make it clear that was two weeks ago and didn't point out its peak peak season,what i should have said is the extra weight placed on hotel systems are forcing prices up ,I'm not sure how it works but my head is saying that hotels,booking.com,late rooms ,etc etc have bought booked rooms? and hotels don't much say over pricing in that regard


    if HSE are paying 800 euro a week "housing" homeless people ,why don't they buy houses and invest money instead of sending it to bank accounts of hotels..

    i don't know enough about the inner workings,I'm giving a sensible approach


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    With all due respect, boards is a discussion form and not a blog, so naturally people want to discuss.
    I'm really sorry that you haven't been taken care of yet, it's absolutely **** that you're still homeless. However, I'm a bit taken aback that your son can't take you in or lend you his address because it'll push up his rent and have his social welfare cut. Why is that more important than his disabled father in a wheelchair and in poor health? I would not see any of my family on the streets, especially not my father.




    ok ,i get that..
    but this idea that my son has an address is coming from people who haven't read my discussion posts,he hasn't one

    i was using it as an example, maybe i didn't make it clear,apologises il look back and clear it up..

    you might not ,but our hospitals,care homes are full of people whose families can't cope,and thats no fault of them ,some people are carers others aren't

    i know what boards is ,to take your point of discussion ,its about being homeless not my son or address etc ..all this is veering towards a boundary of my protection ,

    in relation to data protection,i really don't have his permission to say anything about him ..
    its also saying a boundary

    and ,would you like it to find your dad telling the world about you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    BaaLamb wrote: »
    Irish Wheelchair Association has a dedicated housing section http://www.iwa.ie/services/housing/iwa-housing-advocacy It says it is mainly based in Dublin but has local / outreach sections. Have you already tried this group OP because if not maybe they'd be a help.

    I second Penny Tration about going to A & E to get any sores looked at. It must be agonisingly painful and surely will only get worse if you don't get them treated.


    thanks a lot for that ,actually never thought of going that route..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    But data protection would only be broken if you named him and provided other details about him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭face1990


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Is there a reason for asking this other than to determine whether the OP "deserves" your sympathy, social services, or time on the forum? Because if you know of something that might help the OP that depends on the reason for becoming homeless, please just share it... it might help someone else.

    Ah here, it's a discussion forum not a helpline (AH especially). We can ask questions, OP can decide whether or not he/she wants to answer them.

    Bizarre thread altogether.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    face1990 wrote: »
    Ah here, it's a discussion forum not a helpline (AH especially). We can ask questions, OP can decide whether or not he/she wants to answer them.

    Bizarre thread altogether.

    really and thats why i wrote it ,so people can understand homelessness.


    its the real world ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    OP, would you make your son homeless if you were able and had a home?

    Your situation is more your son's and your own responsibility, not the state's in my opinion.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fairness, the OP's biggest concerns cannot be met by simply "registering" himself for postal purposes at his son's address.

    OP needs home help and he needs nurse visits to attend to his sores. They don't come in the post. You have to be physically living at a stable address.

    As far as I remember the OP's son is very young man and depends on social welfare for support. I seriously doubt he has a spare room and wheelchair access, let alone accommodation that is fit to meet the OP's complex needs.

    I am disappointed that this is happening in 2016 in Ireland. I look at my tax contribution every month, which I'm happy to pay, so long as it goes towards useful public services, such as ensuring that disabled people are entitled to such basic dignity as we all take for granted.

    I will say one thing about the internet, people sitting at keyboards hate to see a victim that doesn't sound like a victim.

    We've seen the exact same reaction to Erica Fleming and people like her who don't act like meek lambs, bleating tentatively for shelter, if it's not too much trouble, Sir.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    just to add

    its not just buildings that don't have access

    try going by train to Dublin in a chair,its like trying to score a bullseye with a dart from a mile away

    dart lifts don't work,stranded on platforms is becoming a hobby of mine

    shops are like assault courses
    toilets that have a sticker to get past legislation but don't allow chairs in..
    toilets that have the emergency cord cut (they are a nuisance)

    and so on and on..

    theres no need to throw vast amounts of money at anything,just plain common sense and ability to listen to people..together we can build a community that empowers people

    A friend of mine who is now deceased used to assess the disabled access to public buildings and I know it is apalling .
    ''Where do you think the money for building adjustments is going to come from '' as some people say , does not cut it. It could and should be prioritized over other less urgent things. I hate the ''i doesn't affect me so it's not my problem '' mentality some people have .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    I'm sorry you're having so many troubles, but raising awareness means helping people understand your situation. Writing a post and refusing to answer questions or people's helpful (in the most part) suggestions is not raising awareness, it's bringing the thread off the initial reason for writing it.
    Best of luck and hope your situation improves vastly in the very very near future.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Is there a reason for asking this other than to determine whether the OP "deserves" your sympathy, social services, or time on the forum? Because if you know of something that might help the OP that depends on the reason for becoming homeless, please just share it... it might help someone else.

    Why you attacking me?
    Its good to hear the story you always hear it could happen to anyone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    I have every sympathy with genuine homeless people and the government has not delivered on anything they've said, empty promises but the sheep elected them again instead of radical change.

    I do however take grave offence at Roma gypsies pretending they are homeless, they work in shifts in Merrion square and i know for a fact these people are not homeless but professional beggars, who likely make a nice few quid out of this, i see them from Monday to Friday and they probably are there the weekend as well, the PC brigade will likely come out and syarty accusing me of all sorts but this is the truth and its charlatans like this who make my blood boil, its genuine homeless people who need help and assistance not these fuc*ers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    I have every sympathy with genuine homeless people and the government has not delivered on anything they've said, empty promises but the sheep elected them again instead of radical change.

    I do however take grave offence at Roma gypsies pretending they are homeless, they work in shifts in Merrion square and i know for a fact these people are not homeless but professional beggars, who likely make a nice few quid out of this, i see them from Monday to Friday and they probably are there the weekend as well, the PC brigade will likely come out and syarty accusing me of all sorts but this is the truth and its charlatans like this who make my blood boil, its genuine homeless people who need help and assistance not these fuc*ers.
    I don't believe anyone begs on the street just to earn some extra money for a night out or a holiday. They may not need the money for their meal that day, but they most likely still need it to survive. Strange how it would make your blood boil and how you would compare it to a lack of supply of services for genuine homeless people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    sullivlo wrote: »
    None of these are as a result of being homeless... I understand your frustrations and I sympathise with your situation. But your situation is extremely unique no matter which angle you look at it from: very few homeless people need wheelchairs; very few people in wheelchairs are homeless.

    And because of this, there is no list of guidelines to follow for what to do. Which is why I think you need to contact any people or charities that can help, and forge your own way through the system. I know that it sucks and that you shouldn't have to do it, but sometimes we need to be proactive about things to get things done.

    I would start by contacting homeless services/charities in your locality to assess what assistance they can offer. I would then contact the Irish wheelchair assosciation to see whether they have staff that could attend appointments with you - I doubt you're the only wheelchair user that has issues accessing facilities, they might have advice.

    There is quite a few homeless in wheelchairs , I couldn't give you an exact figure but I work in homeless hostels , drug services and it's actually surprising.

    There's a individuals with ABIs , amputees ,others with spinal injuries and individuals born with disabilities.

    Our OP is quite vocal but I'm a little lost about why he hadnt been offered accommodation more suitable.I'm wondering if you are recently homeless or if your health deteriorated suddenly Fluffy cat ?


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