scanning cows

blonde10

What kind of results are farmers getting from scan results,also when do people scan as a rule...

Farrell

blonde10 wrote: »

What kind of results are farmers getting from scan results,also when do people scan as a rule...

Scan yearly here, generally 6-8 weeks after last serve (where no repeat noticed), generally results are 100%.
The latest scan man was able to tell a heifer would be hard calved (as was), cyst on another which was repeating.
Also sometimes can tell sex, if you're interested

Never wrestle with pigs

Farrell wrote: »

Scan yearly here, generally 6-8 weeks after last serve (where no repeat noticed), generally results are 100%.
The latest scan man was able to tell a heifer would be hard calved (as was), cyst on another which was repeating.
Also sometimes can tell sex, if you're interested

Where is he from? Looking for a new scan man as the old one is got to big and can't be got. North tipp.

valtra2

There a guy in portlaoise that I get. Excellent service and will do as above. Will pm number if you want

Never wrestle with pigs

valtra2 wrote: »

There a guy in portlaoise that I get. Excellent service and will do as above. Will pm number if you want

Ya cheers thanks for that.

Farrell

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Where is he from? Looking for a new scan man as the old one is got to big and can't be got. North tipp.

This lad is based in Mid Longford but covers a big area

kowtow

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Where is he from? Looking for a new scan man as the old one is got to big...

Too big? Jayz mine only pops the arm in up to the elbow. You are getting a better class of service altogether.

Never wrestle with pigs

Ha ya the poor girls were walking like ducks for a week! More money in scanning sheep I think.

Farrell

See on DD a guy in Wexford advertising No Arming, is it much better than conventional

whelan2

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Ha ya the poor girls were walking like ducks for a week! More money in scanning sheep I think.

Had a lad scanning here a few years ago and he ruptured a few cows, rushing to get to the next place. Had to put a few cows down. They ended up with adhesions . This guy still scans alot of cows but doesnt scan here any more

6270red

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a lad scanning here a few years ago and he ruptured a few cows, rushing to get to the next place. Had to put a few cows down. They ended up with adhesions . This guy still scans alot of cows but doesnt scan here any more

That's awful stuff that lad should be ashamed of himself, big thick neck I suppose.
Do all the milkers through the milk recording. Thinking of doing the heifers externally this year too. As above poster, anyone have any experience of this method.

whelan2

6270red wrote: »

That's awful stuff that lad should be ashamed of himself, big thick neck I suppose.
Do all the milkers through the milk recording. Thinking of doing the heifers externally this year too. As above poster, anyone have any experience of this method.

pulled him up on it, got independent post mortem done. Just something to watch out for ,as it had happened previously and I never copped it was his scanning that caused it. Hasnt happened since

cute geoge

How much of a success is it by checking the milk samples ,i presume this the service by enfer which cost €3 .
I read somewhere that some samples came back from the milk sampling as inconclusive!!!

6270red

cute geoge wrote: »

How much of a success is it by checking the milk samples ,i presume this the service by enfer which cost €3 .
I read somewhere that some samples came back from the milk sampling as inconclusive!!!

All samples came back either positive or negative all were spot on, you'd need to be keeping good records if useing stock bulls cause you don't get how long in calf they are just positive or negative.
Very happy with it no stress on man or beast but suppose the trade off is less info. Munster ai doing it through milk recording

kowtow

6270red wrote: »

All samples came back either positive or negative all were spot on, you'd need to be keeping good records if useing stock bulls cause you don't get how long in calf they are just positive or negative.
Very happy with it no stress on man or beast but suppose the trade off is less info. Munster ai doing it through milk recording

How long do they have to be served for it to be reliable?

whelan2

Prefer to actually be able to see the calf here since we had a lepto outbreak

6270red

kowtow wrote: »

How long do they have to be served for it to be reliable?

The say over 30 days but I will be doing it middle of this month. Finished breeding 20th June. Think it was around 50 days after breeding last year.
Trade off is less information as whelan pointed out if you need to see what's going on stick with the arming. Gonna try the external scanning on heifers and will report back.

Never wrestle with pigs

whelan2 wrote: »

Prefer to actually be able to see the calf here since we had a lepto outbreak

+1
And you know if you have twins or sumthing wrong with the fetus or cow.

farawaygrass

Just scanned here today. It's only our second year doing it so I have a question I hope ye could help with. Say the scanner says 4.5 months in calf. How do ye work out calving date to be as near as possible?
Do ye take it that 9 months is full term so that cow will be calving in 4.5 months from now?

Who2

farawaygrass wrote: »

Just scanned here today. It's only our second year doing it so I have a question I hope ye could help with. Say the scanner says 4.5 months in calf. How do ye work out calving date to be as near as possible?
Do ye take it that 9 months is full term so that cow will be calving in 4.5 months from now?

Nine and a half months roughly or google cattle gestation calculator and there's a table you can use to work the dates. Scanned the autumn calving heifers here today with a 100% hit and got him to check my bothar heifer and he said she's empty, so a little annoyed.

farawaygrass

Cheers for that ðŸ‘

The man in red and black

6270red wrote: »

Gonna try the external scanning on heifers and will report back.

It's not actually external scanning. It's an armless introducer. So you put the probe into a plastic pipe and that goes in the rectum. It is about half the thickness of your arm so not as stressful on cow, plus can be even faster on cows that have are 2+ months. The draw back is you still need to use your arm for any cows that you think are empty as it is not as accurate on early pregnancies or empty cows.

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a lad scanning here a few years ago and he ruptured a few cows, rushing to get to the next place. Had to put a few cows down. They ended up with adhesions . This guy still scans alot of cows but doesnt scan here any more

Sorry to hear that. Was there any compensation offered?

cute geoge wrote: »

How much of a success is it by checking the milk samples
I read somewhere that some samples came back from the milk sampling as inconclusive!!!

The main draw back with milk pregnancy testing is that it will still return a positive result if the cow lost the pregnancy in the last 2+ weeks. Given that 5-15% of pregnancies diagnosed at 30-45 days will be lost before 60 days I would recommend only using the milk test after 60 days for rechecking pregnancies already confirmed by conventional methods to reduce expensive misdiagnosis of pregnancies which have since been lost.

White Clover

The man in red and black wrote: »

It's not actually external scanning. It's an armless introducer. So you put the probe into a plastic pipe and that goes in the rectum. It is about half the thickness of your arm so not as stressful on cow, plus can be even faster on cows that have are 2+ months. The draw back is you still need to use your arm for any cows that you think are empty as it is not as accurate on early pregnancies or empty cows.



Sorry to hear that. Was there any compensation offered?



The main draw back with milk pregnancy testing is that it will still return a positive result if the cow lost the pregnancy in the last 2+ weeks. Given that 5-15% of pregnancies diagnosed at 30-45 days will be lost before 60 days I would recommend only using the milk test after 60 days for rechecking pregnancies already confirmed by conventional methods to reduce expensive misdiagnosis of pregnancies which have since been lost.

Scanning can be carried out externally, on the right hand side in front of the udder. Any doubtful need to be checked the conventional way.

whelan2

The man in red and black wrote: »

It's not actually external scanning. It's an armless introducer. So you put the probe into a plastic pipe and that goes in the rectum. It is about half the thickness of your arm so not as stressful on cow, plus can be even faster on cows that have are 2+ months. The draw back is you still need to use your arm for any cows that you think are empty as it is not as accurate on early pregnancies or empty cows.



Sorry to hear that. Was there any compensation offered?



The main draw back with milk pregnancy testing is that it will still return a positive result if the cow lost the pregnancy in the last 2+ weeks. Given that 5-15% of pregnancies diagnosed at 30-45 days will be lost before 60 days I would recommend only using the milk test after 60 days for rechecking pregnancies already confirmed by conventional methods to reduce expensive misdiagnosis of pregnancies which have since been lost.

We got an independent vet to do a pm on one of them in knackery. He was definite was the cause was. I got cull value for them. Was a bit of hassle but I had lost a few over a while before my vet suggested what the problem was

The man in red and black

White Clover wrote: »

Scanning can be carried out externally, on the right hand side in front of the udder. Any doubtful need to be checked the conventional way.

Fair enough, I don't know anyone into that. Very unorthodox in a cow. More of a sheep/goat technique but interesting to hear of it being applied to cows! Expensive bit of kit that type of scanner.

whelan2 wrote: »

We got an independent vet to do a pm on one of them in knackery. He was definite was the cause was. I got cull value for them. Was a bit of hassle but I had lost a few over a while before my vet suggested what the problem was

At least you got to the bottom of it. Tricky situation to be in. Have never heard of it previous to this! Pity there were some loses before it was figured out.

White Clover

The man in red and black wrote: »

Fair enough, I don't know anyone into that. Very unorthodox in a cow. More of a sheep/goat technique but interesting to hear of it being applied to cows! Expensive bit of kit that type of scanner.



At least you got to the bottom of it. Tricky situation to be in. Have never heard of it previous to this! Pity there were some loses before it was figured out.

Quite popular round here, very easy on the cow.

Irish Beef

Ya my scanner man scans outside just like you said on right hand side in front of udder, one cow was empty so he checked from behind. My crush is facing that way do, can they be scanned on left side if crush facing in other direction.

Irish Beef

Ya my scanner man scans outside just like you said on right hand side in front of udder, one cow was empty so he checked from behind. My crush is facing that way do, can they be scanned on left side if crush facing in other direction.