teagasc advisers our heros

kerry cow

A lot of advise Ã႒°Å¸â€™Â¡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys ??

freedominacup

kerry cow wrote: »

A lot of advise 💡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys

I wouldn't have gotten back into milk without a lot of help from teagasc and one advisor and his area manager in particular. They spotted something other highly paid pro's missed and then moved heaven and earth to get it through. I'll be paying the sub for a long time before I'm on the wrong side of the deal with teagasc.

tabby aspreme

kerry cow wrote: »

A lot of advise 💡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys

As a neighbour of mine says , those crowd will tell you how to spend money, not how to make money.

whelan2

Just in from a morning with our Teagasc advisor, as in all jobs there are monkies, I have a good advisor here

yewtree

kerry cow wrote: »

A lot of advise 💡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys

Good and bad in every organisation. Have you much involvement with teagasc? Around where I farm I notice that lads with the least to do with teagasc are the most critical.
Personally have a positive opinion on teagasc. One dairy specialist in particular has been of great help to me over the last few years.

whelan2

kerry cow wrote: »

A lot of advise 💡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys

Is it not the same as the journal and independent advisor, the buck stops with the farmer, no one is making them take out big loans/leases , expand big time. You listen to the advise and adapt it to suit you, well thats what I do.....

Sam Kade

freedominacup wrote: »

I wouldn't have gotten back into milk without a lot of help from teagasc and one advisor and his area manager in particular. They spotted something other highly paid pro's missed and then moved heaven and earth to get it through. I'll be paying the sub for a long time before I'm on the wrong side of the deal with teagasc.

I wouldn't have got out of milk without the help of teagasc and one advisor :mad:

Wildsurfer

kerry cow wrote: »

A lot of advise 💡coming from guys who have never risked a bean of their own in their life .don't see them running out renting ground , buying stock or milking cows .. Bunch of monkeys

That's because they went to college, got a degree, and chose a career path in Ag advisory. Does your accountant milk cows to empathise with your chosen way of life? And one of the most senior Dairy advisors in Moorepark goes against everything you say. Inherited no land, bought it, and contract reared heifers for first few years. In the past three years has rented a block of ground near him and is milking 150 cows this year. It's an advisory service, you make your own decisions.

I said

Best bit I ever got was paddock graze only way to grow grass and push cattle to finish.
Done my system more good than anything else

patsy_mccabe

People here from time to time make big generic critisisms about Teagasc. Would anyone care to give examples of bad advice they got fromTeagasc.
Woodchip pads aside (not me), I can't think of any.

whelan2

Had an advisor here a few years ago-not teagasc- he told me to put barley into a 30 acre field as I had too much grass, I replied and what if the weather is wet? Better be looking at too much grass than a field of barley

kevthegaff

Wildsurfer wrote:

That's because they went to college, got a degree, and chose a career path in Ag advisory. Does your accountant milk cows to empathise with your chosen way of life? And one of the most senior Dairy advisors in Moorepark goes against everything you say. Inherited no land, bought it, and contract reared heifers for first few years. In the past three years has rented a block of ground near him and is milking 150 cows this year. It's an advisory service, you make your own decisions.

What's his initials might be cousin?

Sam Kade

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

People here from time to time make big generic critisisms about Teagasc. Would anyone care to give examples of bad advice they got fromTeagasc.
Woodchip pads aside (not me), I can't think of any.

I already gave you one Advisors around here were pushing farmers to get out of dairying back during the celtic tiger years even farmers with 80 cows. They had a gloom and doom story about dairying telling farmers to lease out their land and get a job. Totally going against the grain of what their job was about. One fella in particular came into a few farmers yards telling them how bad their yards were and that they would be better of getting out instead of spending money on them, needless to say he was ran out of quite a few yards and told never return. The same farmers are still farming away today.

kerry cow

Just pop ed the question to get a mood of farming view . Agree a lot of good work done by teagasc , a few free wheelers in there too . Nice to see more park guy putting a foot forward , fair play .
Teagasc employ big labour and a1 facilities to complete a trial and sometimes it can be a bit disheartening to apply to our more basic set ups on our own and try to achieve what they do on better land and set ups .what results would they achieve in a one man setup with a average facilities and lesser land .

Wildsurfer

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's his initials might be cousin?

PF. If your related to either him or his wife you have dairy farming in your DNA!

foxy farmer

Income from advising farmers is only pittance to Teagasc. Doing R&D and trials for big companies is where the bobs are and where their loyalties lie. I had dealings with them back in 95 trying to get extra suckler quota from the national reserve. They failed miserably. Got nothing. I was told that as I had an off farm income I wouldn't qualify. Later that year i had a dept suckler inspection . I had 8 cows more than my quota on the day. Must have been blessed with a decent inspector that day because the following spring my qouta had increased by 8. No questions asked or forms filled.

Icelandicseige

Sam Kade wrote: »

I already gave you one Advisors around here were pushing farmers to get out of dairying back during the celtic tiger years even farmers with 80 cows. They had a gloom and doom story about dairying telling farmers to lease out their land and get a job. Totally going against the grain of what their job was about. One fella in particular came into a few farmers yards telling them how bad their yards were and that they would be better of getting out instead of spending money on them, needless to say he was ran out of quite a few yards and told never return. The same farmers are still farming away today.

Yes but the thing is how much of a struggle has it been for them farmers to survive to now.
I'd say Teagasc advisor was right but the farmer was to stubborn and had to much gra for the land to listen to the advise he was given!
It goes back to the Irish way and the Bull McCabe "Tis my Field"!

kevthegaff

Wildsurfer wrote:

PF. If your related to either him or his wife you have dairy farming in your DNA!

Nah but have a relation similar to who u speak of!

whelan2

How is the dairy research place at UCD doing? Never hear/read anything on it

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

How is the dairy research place at UCD doing? Never hear/read anything on it

Was searching the ucd website trying to find some info too, not a sign of anything, considering the money after been put into it you'd imagen a greenfield type website would be set-up and weekly notes etc.....

charolais0153

I said wrote: »

Best bit I ever got was paddock graze only way to grow grass and push cattle to finish.
Done my system more good than anything else

+1

Dawggone

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was searching the ucd website trying to find some info too, not a sign of anything, considering the money after been put into it you'd imagen a greenfield type website would be set-up and weekly notes etc.....

They're so close to a industry changing breakthrough that they'd have to kill you if one was exposed to the info...:)
Commercially sensitive info...ya know!



Tbf a lot of time and money has to be invested in the hope of some kind of innovation. However if it's just an income stream/funding for a bunch of Ph.D. students then someone with a brain has to step in and call some shots. Who could give direction and endeavor to a bunch of directionless students?

Edit. What I'm talking about is somebody that can project manage in a specific direction and add impetus to the project.

Sam Kade

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Yes but the thing is how much of a struggle has it been for them farmers to survive to now.
I'd say Teagasc advisor was right but the farmer was to stubborn and had to much gra for the land to listen to the advise he was given!
It goes back to the Irish way and the Bull McCabe "Tis my Field"!

If every farmer thought like that there would be no farmers around also if a man is farming all his life what would you suggest he do instead? Back then teagasc were using the Celtic tiger to provide jobs which was short lived and farming came up trumps again.

Dawggone

Sam Kade wrote: »

and farming came up trumps again.

How has farming come up trumps?

I find it challenging to find farm help. What's the secret?

Sam Kade

Dawggone wrote: »

How has farming come up trumps?

I find it challenging to find farm help. What's the secret?

Remember when milk hit over 40 cent a litre? I know it's a distant memory now but it contradicted the prophets in teagasc.