Common Travel Area

mitchconnor16

Any thoughts on how Brexit will affect the common travel area between Ireland and Britain?

Atlantic Dawn

We will either keep it or we won't, there will be no middle ground.

Carawaystick

And there will be a common travel area between the north east of Ireland and Britain, or there won't...

Fred Swanson

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Carawaystick

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When did this start? I wasn't asked when I travelled after the brexit result.

Pat Mustard

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Are they demanding passports or will they accept other forms of ID?

I remember going over the border into N.I, before the Good Friday Agreement. A British soldier asked for ID but did not insist on a passport.

There had been a common travel area since the 1920s, previously.

GerardKeating

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It's also abolished if one wants to travel via Ryanair.

Ryanair only accept passports as travel documents from Irish people. That's got nothing to do with the CTA. It's just Ryanair policy.

Driver's Licence is acceptable to the UK customs/border force as identification for travel between Ireland the UK.

As of today, absolutely nothing has changed in the relationship between the UK and the EU/Ireland other than the British Electorate has signalled to its government that it wants to end that relationship. Nothing will legally change whatosever until Article 50 is invoked, and even when it is invoked it is likely that very little will change until at the end of the 2 year negotiation period, unless changes are agreed upon before the end of it.

coylemj

The elephant in the room is that the border (between the 6 and 26 counties) is going to become a frontier between an EU country and a non-EU country, something which already exists between Norway and Sweden but both of those countries are already signed up to the Schengen agreement.

To control the flow of EU citizens into GB via NI and/or the Republic post Brexit, one of two things has to happen ...

1. The UK closes the border and imposes passport checks on everyone passing into NI from the south. Given the length of the border and that most of it runs though open countryside, this would be pretty much impossible without creating a physical barrier with watchtowers and high fences, similar to the border between West and East Germany before 1989 but without the landmines!

2. The UK leaves the border open like it is today but imposes passport controls on everyone arriving at GB ferry ports and airports from the island of Ireland. This would mean that Sammy Wilson, the 'reverend' Willie McCrea and Ian Paisley Jr. (all of whom are Westminster MPs) will be obliged to show their passports when flying from Belfast to London, a classic irony considering the DUP were in favour of Brexit!

Fred Swanson

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L1011

coylemj wrote: »

The elephant in the room is that the border (between the 6 and 26 counties) is going to become a frontier between an EU country and a non-EU country, something which already exists between Norway and Sweden but both of those countries are already signed up to the Schengen agreement.

The EU also allowed it when Sweden was in the EU and not in Schengen. Similar exists here - we are not in Schengen and have a hard border to Schengen, so Schengen borders are not of concern. The "EU border" they talk about is the Schengen border.

coylemj

L1011 wrote: »

The EU also allowed it when Sweden was in the EU and not in Schengen. Similar exists here - we are not in Schengen and have a hard border to Schengen, so Schengen borders are not of concern. The "EU border" they talk about is the Schengen border.

Who is 'they' in that (last) sentence?

KingBrian2

Well passports are a great form of ID. If you get yourself lost, someone steals your identity or strangers roaming around the country the use of a passport I expect would be very convenient.

L1011

coylemj wrote: »

Who is 'they' in that (last) sentence?

The media, etc, when giving the "we can't have an open EU border"

They have and will continue to exist.

KingBrian2

We should adopt a Franco Swiss approach to the UK. Plenty of Frenchmen and Frenchwomen pass to and fro into Switzerland nothing too concerning. Not certain what type of model the Swedish Norwegian have but the Franco Swiss approach is a lot more practical for Britain and ourselves.

Besides we have to look at the internal borders within Britain namely the Hadrian Wall in the North and the many isles that surround Britain in the English Channel, North Atlantic, Irish Sea & Shetlands. Were looking at a fairly large region of the world here.

We should all be able to travel to the UK security guaranteed without too much bother. The referendum did not change the culture of England. They did not suddenly stop becoming European.

Switzerland is in Schengen.

Neither the UK nor Ireland are.

Switzerland is in the EEA (with Freedom of Movement of Labour) - for the time being

We don't know whether the UK will be (I would argue that it is definitely politically difficult to envisage that the UK would retain Freedom of Movement of Labour)

KingBrian2

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Switzerland is in Schengen.

Neither the UK nor Ireland are.

Switzerland is in the EEA (with Freedom of Movement of Labour) - for the time being

We don't know whether the UK will be (I would argue that it is definitely politically difficult to envisage that the UK would retain Freedom of Movement of Labour)

What about at airports or ships travelling up the Rhine and Rhone? Free movement and non borders. In France you move back and forte into neighboring countries regardless of EU membership I know that. In Ireland as an island nation we gain free access to Britain regardless of EU membership similarly.

ali30

KingBrian2 wrote: »

What about at airports or ships travelling up the Rhine and Rhone? Free movement and non borders. In France you move back and forte into neighboring countries regardless of EU membership I know that. In Ireland as an island nation we gain free access to Britain regardless of EU membership similarly.

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