You know what really grinds my gears...

harpsman

Watching the Connaught final here and I've already had 2 of my biggest bugbears.

1) The massacre of our national anthem. Theres nothing better than a rousing rendition of Amhran na bhfiann before a game. So why do provincial grounds around the country-particularly Ulster- insist on having some tuneless warbler turn it into a funereal dirge sung at half the correct speed?

2) The rain drenched camera. I can bareley see whats going on due to the amout of rain on the cameras. Might as well stick on the tennis and listen on the radio. Surely we can do better than this?

Fr Tod Umptious

harpsman wrote: »

Watching the Connaught final here and I've already had 2 of my biggest bugbears.

1) The massacre of our national anthem. Theres nothing better than a rousing rendition of Amhran na bhfiann before a game. So why do provincial grounds around the country-particularly Ulster- insist on having some tuneless warbler turn it into a funereal dirge sung at half the correct speed?

2) The rain drenched camera. I can bareley see whats going on due to the amout of rain on the cameras. Might as well stick on the tennis and listen on the radio. Surely we can do better than this?

Wiping cameras shod be a no brainer, surely there is a producer telling them t wipe them when they get a chance.

Kristopherus

Switch over to the Brit Grand Prix if you want to see real rain !!!!

ProudDUB

I'm with you on the anthem, but I think its more down to crappy, outdated sound systems in the ground, than it is their getting in people who can't sing. How many times have you sat in a county ground and, not been able to understand a word of the announcements being shouted out via the PA system? If it can't cope with the spoken word, it ain't going to make a song sound good.

The tennis is on serve so far btw.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Dessie Dolans commenatry.

Shut the **** up whinging Des you played in some of the most defensive teams to ever play intercounty football during your Westmeath days.

reap-a-rat

I was in McHale Park yesterday and the band did a lovely upbeat version of the anthem. Was very welcome!

What gets me is the parade. In Pearse today the band took around 7 minutes to get around. 7 whole minutes. Thankfully they didn't do the whole lap as it would have taken another 7. Absolutely kills all pretty game atmosphere. It's such a sham.

callaway92

Clichès..... Clichès..... Clichès

WesternZulu

Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane grind my gears!

The conditions today were atrocious today for the Connacht final so understandably the game wasn't a classic but yet they go on like the game of football is dead!

Most of the games in their day were muck but they're like a broken record speaking about the 'ills' of gaelic football. If they don't like the game so much then there is no-one forcing them to watch it.

alta stare

Replays GAA replays grind my gears.....play on ta fcuk and settle it on the day never mind fleecing supporters with replays.

Oh and the whole league and championship structure....but that's another story.

Noveight

450-500 hand passes in 70 minutes of football. That would wear anyone's patience thin.

El Chapo

The superiority complex from hurling folk.

Haven't seen a decent hurling game all year from the 5 or 6 counties who actually give a sh1t about it.

niallo27

El Chapo wrote: »

The superiority complex from hurling folk.

Haven't seen a decent hurling game all year from the 5 or 6 counties who actually give a sh1t about it.

Ya I'm a hurling man and it's gone to **** as well. Limerick down by 4 points last night and didn't have a man inside the 40 yard line

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya I'm a hurling man and it's gone to **** as well. Limerick down by 4 points last night and didn't have a man inside the 40 yard line

Problem is like football the players and managers have progressed but the rules have not kept pace.

No sport in the world remains unchanged across history yet in the GAA people like to think they should.

niallo27

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Problem is like football the players and managers have progressed but the rules have not kept pace.

No sport in the world remains unchanged across history yet in the GAA people like to think they should.

Soccer as they call it in here hasn't changed and it's still the most popular game in the world.

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

Soccer as they call it in here hasn't changed and it's still the most popular game in the world.

The tactics have changed a lot over the years and they outlawed dangerous tackles and backpassing to the goalie in order to improve the entertainment quality of the game.

niallo27

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The tactics have changed a lot over the years and they outlawed dangerous tackles and backpassing to the goalie in order to improve the entertainment quality of the game.

Hurling have done the same. Stuff you get red cards for these days wouid hardly even be a talking to in the 80s and 90s. They brought in the black card as well to stop cynical fouling. They have made changes in fairness

blockfighter

niallo27 wrote: »

Soccer as they call it in here hasn't changed and it's still the most popular game in the world.

Substitution rule, back passes, goal line technology. And obviously the ever changing off side rule.
There's been a few changes

niallo27

blockfighter wrote: »

Substitution rule, back passes, goal line technology. And obviously the ever changing off side rule.
There's been a few changes

Yes small changes same as the gaa really. Nothing that really has changed the way the game is played.

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes small changes same as the gaa really. Nothing that really has changed the way the game is played.

It has changed a bit in fairness.

Much less long balls these days , the game is much less defensive now than it was in the 70's,80's and 90's.

niallo27

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It has changed a bit in fairness.

Much less long balls these days , the game is much less defensive now than it was in the 70's,80's and 90's.

Some games can be very defensive. What rule do you think stopped the game from being so defensive bar the back pass rule

Dyr

Reduce teams in both codes to 13 men and stop this packing of areas

niallo27

Bambi wrote: »

Reduce teams in both codes to 13 men and stop this packing of areas

That is a huge change to make. It will change the whole game. Do we need to be that drastic

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

Some games can be very defensive. What rule do you think stopped the game from being so defensive bar the back pass rule

Stopping dirty tackles I would say opened up the game.There was no direct rule that cause change but 2 indirect rules definitely helped soccer.

You could just directly legislate for it in GAA by first banning the blanket defence (limt the number of players allowed in the defensive half of the field) in football and then probably introducing a ban on consecutive handpasses.

Both football and hurling should probably have went to 13 a side about 10 years ago.Fitness levels are so high now there is no need for 15 players on the field.

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

That is a huge change to make. It will change the whole game. Do we need to be that drastic

Yes, I would say.The players are so fit now that they din't need 15 a side on the field having 15 a side bottles up the space.

More space helps attacking players which is what the game needs.

niallo27

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Yes, I would say.The players are so fit now that they din't need 15 a side on the field having 15 a side bottles up the space.

More space helps attacking players which is what the game needs.

I agree something has to change. What about club hurling. Are them players fit enough.

Dyr

niallo27 wrote: »

That is a huge change to make. It will change the whole game. Do we need to be that drastic

Whats fuelled these packed defences and mobbing the ball is that players have fitness levels that allow them to cover all that ground, and free up lads as sweepers etc, the only way you'll address that is to reduce numbers

It's a simple solution too.

niallo27

Bambi wrote: »

Whats fuelled these packed defences and mobbing the ball is that players have fitness levels that allow them to cover all that ground, and free up lads as sweepers etc, the only way you'll address that is to reduce numbers

It's a simple solution too.

Is it just County level or is under 12 and junior hurling.

Dirty Dingus McGee

niallo27 wrote: »

I agree something has to change. What about club hurling. Are them players fit enough.

That's the only issue that managers would interpret it the wrong way and use it as an excuse for extra physical training rather than to open the game up .

However I'd say most players would be fine with it and the ball should be doing most of the work in hurling.

Dyr

niallo27 wrote: »

Is it just County level or is under 12 and junior hurling.

Many's the club game has been played as as a 13-14 a side, no-one died and the sky didnt fall.

niallo27

Bambi wrote: »

Many's the club game has been played as as a 13-14 a side, no-one died and the sky didnt fall.

Could backfire though. Fitness could be more important than skill.

DoctaDee

Bambi wrote: »

Whats fuelled these packed defences and mobbing the ball is that players have fitness levels that allow them to cover all that ground, and free up lads as sweepers etc, the only way you'll address that is to reduce numbers

It's a simple solution too.

niallo27 wrote: »

Could backfire though. Fitness could be more important than skill.

I'd argue it's the very reason the defensive plan evolved - it's far easier to train an athlete than coach good skills into players. When you've 15 men inside yer own 45 even the most basic of tackling skills is redundant when there's fellas left and right of you to pick up the pieces ....

Bass Reeves

niallo27 wrote: »

Soccer as they call it in here hasn't changed and it's still the most popular game in the world.

Yes it has no back pass to the goalie, Goalie can run length of the box to kick a ball out. Marking the line of the wall for a free to stop wall encroaching on free taker. Straight red for a deliberate foul that could prevent a goal if you are last man back. Offside rule attacking player can be in line with the back and only has to be onside when the ball is kicked and allowing a player to be offside as long as he is not interfereing with play. They also outlawed the tackle from behind, you have to get the ball in the tackle before you make contact with the man etc etc.

So I suppose they have made few enough changes;)

Bass Reeves

No need to reduce number. Make it mandatory that for kick outs in football that all players have to be in there proper zones. 6 defenders and attacker inside both 45's. Kick outs to go beyond the 45. The fielding rule next year will help. As well bring in a rule that after a third hand pass the ball has to be kicked. When a free is awarded if an opposing player interferes with free taker (who has to take a free from or behind the spot where it was awarded like Aussie rules) give him a yellow or a black card depending on the situation. You could make it a back card offence if in the last quarter of the match. Take timing away from the ref. ( the ref in today's Connaught final had the whistle in his mouth all the time after Roscommon equalized.

PARlance

Defensive football, it's dire.
Bring in a rule where a minimum of 4 players have to be in the opposition half at all times.

BigCon

The sweeper system

PARlance

BigCon wrote: »

The sweeper system

And the fact that we (Mayo) haven't a clue how to play it.

naughto

The Roscommon thread

Grueller

I remember in football off the top of my head:
1. Fouled player allowed to take free from hands and not the ground. Other players had to kick it from the ground still. Sped up the game greatly.

2. All players allowed to kick frees from hands.

3. Players allowed to place lineballs themselves

4. Players allowed to kick lineballs from the hands

5. Possession frees after stoppages rather than a throw in

6. Kicking tees allowed for kickouts

7. Yellow and red cards

8. Black cards

They are just off the top of my head. 1 & 2 above changed the speed of the game as much as the back pass rule did in soccer in fairness.
The game many years ago went from 17 players to 15 so it is not unprecedented for a change of numbers on a team.

danganabu

El Chapo wrote: »

The superiority complex from hurling folk.

Haven't seen a decent hurling game all year from the 5 or 6 counties who actually give a sh1t about it.

Or the inferiority complex fron Football folk and their constant need to compare both codes and take swipes at Hurling, if you don't like the bloody thing then don't watch it :rolleyes:

keeponhurling

danganabu wrote: »

Or the inferiority complex fron Football folk and their constant need to compare both codes and take swipes at Hurling, if you don't like the bloody thing then don't watch it :rolleyes:

Ah now, the "hurling crowd" are worse for that, in fairness

Dick phelan

I can't stand how in this country people start shouting and cheering before the anthem is finished, it's disrespectful and we are to my knowledge the only country who does it. Also the morons who shout over a minutes silence at this stage i think it would be better off having a minutes applause instead because sadly a few idiots will always disrespect the minutes silence.

danganabu

keeponhurling wrote: »

Ah now, the "hurling crowd" are worse for that, in fairness

Depends on where you are from I guess and the tradition around both codes.

irishgeo

8 officials at a game and the only one allowed to call a foul is the ref.

Promote the linesman to assistant referee and them call fouls like the soccer. Would be like a 2nd ref in one half of the pitch.

Realt Dearg Sec

irishgeo wrote: »

8 officials at a game and the only one allowed to call a foul is the ref.

Promote the linesman to assistant referee and them call fouls like the soccer. Would be like a 2nd ref in one half of the pitch.

That would just increase the number of frees. They stall up play enough as it is.

Turkish1

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That would just increase the number of frees. They stall up play enough as it is.

Or alternatively it might mean that players learn to tackle properly

Refs playing the advantage rule correctly would be a good start in football - too often free blown for straight away when advantage may accrue.

Close the loop holes in the black card rule.
Lower the limit to being down a man after 2 black cards.
Or that you dont have to drag the player to the ground for a black card and any cynical dragging is a black card.

Realt Dearg Sec

Turkish1 wrote: »

Or alternatively it might mean that players learn to tackle properly
.

Sorry I was referring to hurling, tackling isn't a major problem there, and also every free halts up the whole match, which isn't the case for football.

A related thing that grinds my gears: the tendency to adopt a rule in football and then just apply it to hurling as well whether it needs it or is suited to it or not.

Patrick_Swayze

Defensive football getting a lot of abuse here, people saying to go 13 a side. I disagree, I enjoy games of defensive nature. An example of this was the Monaghan-Donegal games the last few weeks. The pace at which they broke through hand passing and off the shoulder running was a joy to watch. The only problem is when teams that are less talented try to implement these systems and cannot show their basic skills of moving the ball at pace, kicking it the right times and taking long range scores.
An example of a match where the basic skills of the players being poor leading to an awful game as opposed to just setting up defensively was the Kildare-Westmeath game. (I’m a Kildare man)
Both teams were defensive , yes, but this wasn’t the reason for such a poor game. The attacking team would carry the ball to the opposition 45 and when a kick pass wasn’t on they started going backwards and sideways before losing possession. The likes of Donegal burst off the shoulder breaking lines and making scoring opportunities.
Just like in the soccer where a team like Atletico madrid sit back against the likes of Barcelona and that break on the counter at pace is great to watch imo
I found some of the Connaught final enjoyable for this reason but unfortunately the conditions led to a lot of simple errors breaking down these counter attacks.
As mentioned by others, if we go 13 a side, there’ll be too much an emphasis on fitness and less on the skills of the game. You wont appreciate the likes of the gooch who can unlock a Donegal defence with one accurate kick pass through the eye of a needle.
The mark will be interesting next year and I wouldn’t consider making many changes until we see how that plays out.
Championship restructuring and the black card do need changing tho.

ahlookit

Cant believe there have been 47 posts and this hasn't come up. What really grinds my gears in football:

Joe Brolly

nikkibikki

ahlookit wrote:

Joe Brolly

Cant believe there have been 47 posts and this hasn't come up. What really grinds my gears in football:

Post number 8....

ahlookit

I stand corrected!

Prop Joe

The bloody black card !!!

It badly needs to be abolished and a sin bin brought in

Between the 72th & 74th min of the Mayo v Fermanagh game there was at least 3 black card offence's to stop Fermanagh getting a goal.

This is occurring in every game,If the sin bin was in place Mayo would be down to 12 players and much more likely to concede at that time.

It would immediately cut out all the sh1tty fouling at the end of games