Ungratefulness...

tomofson

Okay I will start this by giving you a couple of examples of ungratefulness that have been bothering me over the last couple of days....

1). A longtime friend of mine who constantly complains how hard he's life is and how much he hates living in this country and today's society. This person is long term unemployed but has a place to live collects 188 a week and does nixers every second week for a few hundred extra quid in hes pocket, this person also goes around to all the charity foodhalls in dublin and elsewhere and eats 3-4 dinners in those places a go because he refuses to spend hes money on food. Despite the fact he is not homeless he has a collection of free sleeping bags in hes house that he has taking from charities that give free sleeping bags out to the homeless... I am not in any way having a go at charities cause I think their work is excellent and I have used them on more than one occasion I am only complaining about my friends ungratefulness that he gets all this yet still complains constantly 24/7 about how hard he has... This person does not have any form of addiction whatsoever just to make that clear he doesn't even smoke and rarely drinks alcohol...

2) Mosney Ungrateful's , Refugees in mosney who claim to have fled war zones constantly complaining about how hard they have it here instead of just being grateful they are away from their own countries they say they had it so bad in. I do feel sorry for them cause I know they came over here for better opportunities but a bit of gratitude every now and then wouldn't go a miss.

Now people who have seen my previous threads on here will know I'm about as liberal as they come, but ungrateful people regardless of who they are really do annoy me and put me in a bad humor... I am not in any way knocking the charities cause as I said I have depended on them in the past but I have appreciated everything I got off them... I also never used a free food hall when I had money in my pocket cause I believed thats not what they are there for...

and to the mods this form is in no way racist just cause I criticize the actions of some people who happen to be immigrants... I am pro immigration and welcome them here I just want people including my own Irish people to be a bit more grateful for what they have... We are not in the third world here nobody in this country is going hungry so please just be thankful for what use all have that a lot of people across the world do not...

corner of hells

tomofson wrote: »

Okay I will start this by giving you a couple of examples of ungratefulness that have been bothering me over the last couple of days....

1). A longtime friend of mine who constantly complains how hard he's life is and how much he hates living in this country and today's society. This person is long term unemployed but has a place to live collects 188 a week and does nixers every second week for a few hundred extra quid in hes pocket, this person also goes around to all the charity foodhalls in dublin and elsewhere and eats 3-4 dinners in those places a go because he refuses to spend hes money on food. Despite the fact he is not homeless he has a collection of free sleeping bags in hes house that he has taking from charities that give free sleeping bags out to the homeless... I am not in any way having a go at charities cause I think their work is excellent and I have used them on more than one occasion I am only complaining about my friends ungratefulness that he gets all this yet still complains constantly 24/7 about how hard he has... This person does not have any form of addiction whatsoever just to make that clear he doesn't even smoke and rarely drinks alcohol...

2) Mosney Ungrateful's , Refugees in mosney who claim to have fled war zones constantly complaining about how hard they have it here instead of just being grateful they are away from their own countries they say they had it so bad in. I do feel sorry for them cause I know they came over here for better opportunities but a bit of gratitude every now and then wouldn't go a miss.

Now people who have seen my previous threads on here will know I'm about as liberal as they come, but ungrateful people regardless of who they are really do annoy me and put me in a bad humor... I am not in any way knocking the charities cause as I said I have depended on them in the past but I have appreciated everything I got off them... I also never used a free food hall when I had money in my pocket cause I believed thats not what they are there for...

and to the mods this form is in no way racist just cause I criticize the actions of some people who happen to be immigrants... I am pro immigration and welcome them here I just want people including my own Irish people to be a bit more grateful for what they have... We are not in the third world here nobody in this country is going hungry so please just be thankful for what use all have that a lot of people across the world do not...

Unemployed ... check.
Fordiners........check.
Mods.......check.
Travellers ?

tomofson

corner of hells wrote: »

Unemployed ... check.
Fordiners........check.
Mods.......check.
Travellers ?

What are you talking about I have constantly defended the unemployed and foreigners on here numerous times in the past... This thread is about encouraging people to be grateful for what they have not attacking anyone dont go thinking I have never been in that boat.

ceadaoin.

Why does it matter to you if others are grateful or not? Live your life how you see fit and don't be worrying about other people. Notice it and maybe appreciate what you yourself have and move on. Getting angry about something that is totally outside your control is pointless and only damaging to yourself in the long run

I think "ingratitude" is punchier than "ungratefulness".

tomofson

Deleted User wrote: »

I think "ingratitude" is punchier than "ungratefulness".

Sorry pal spur of the moment thread like most of mine I dont sit for hours thinking what words I am going to use... But yes you are probably correct.

Pawwed Rig

Do they get to go on the SPACE ROUNDUP in Mosney? That used to be class.

tomofson

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Do they get to go on the SPACE ROUNDUP in Mosney? That used to be class.

I would hope so.

tomofson

tomofson wrote: »

Sorry pal spur of the moment thread like most of mine I dont sit for hours thinking what words I am going to use... But yes you are probably correct.

A thanks wouldn't have gone astray.

More ungratefulness...

tomofson

Deleted User wrote: »

A thanks wouldn't have gone astray.

More ungratefulness...

Sorry bout that.

Ave Sodalis

You can be grateful for what you have but still find it tough. Generally, I find those who have it tough are more grateful... but it doesn't mean their lives aren't tough.

tomofson

sup_dude wrote: »

You can be grateful for what you have but still find it tough. Generally, I find those who have it tough are more grateful... but it doesn't mean their lives aren't tough.

I'm not saying life is all full of positives and there is no negatives, but it is really unhealthy to dwell on the negatives and not at least notice some of the positives.

Speedwell

I'm an immigrant Yank and I get many benefits from living in Ireland as a resident. Practically all of the benefits I mean are personal and environmental and cultural; I benefit very much from living in a modern civilised society that attempts to care for its members, and I am happy to pay my share toward that end. I'm very grateful particularly for a medical system that I can actually afford, good country living, the opportunity to participate in cultural events, and the lovely people I've met (including my husband's family; I have essentially no family of my own in the States). I have no Irish heredity or connections, so I'm not one of those obnoxious people who identify as Irish despite not having been born here; nevertheless I intend to apply for citizenship when I qualify, and become properly Irish so I can belong. I'll be grateful when I can do that, too.

It's difficult to express my gratitude properly, though. Right now I am still trying to fit in and be a good member of the community. People ask me how I like Ireland, but if I say what I'm thinking, which is, "I don't miss America at all and I'm very grateful for the opportunity to live here where I feel much more at home", people kind of look at me funny. I guess they're thinking of the things about their own lives in Ireland that they dislike and would prefer to leave behind.

tomofson

Speedwell wrote: »

I'm an immigrant Yank and I get many benefits from living in Ireland as a resident. Practically all of the benefits I mean are personal and environmental and cultural; I benefit very much from living in a modern civilised society that attempts to care for its members, and I am happy to pay my share toward that end. I'm very grateful particularly for a medical system that I can actually afford, good country living, the opportunity to participate in cultural events, and the lovely people I've met (including my husband's family; I have essentially no family of my own in the States). I have no Irish heredity or connections, so I'm not one of those obnoxious people who identify as Irish despite not having been born here; nevertheless I intend to apply for citizenship when I qualify, and become properly Irish so I can belong. I'll be grateful when I can do that, too.

It's difficult to express my gratitude properly, though. Right now I am still trying to fit in and be a good member of the community. People ask me how I like Ireland, but if I say what I'm thinking, which is, "I don't miss America at all and I'm very grateful for the opportunity to live here where I feel much more at home", people kind of look at me funny. I guess they're thinking of the things about their own lives in Ireland that they dislike and would prefer to leave behind.

I think it is easier to be grateful when you come from a country that would let you die on the street if you had no insurance, so basically committing genocide of the poor... A lot of people in Ireland don't understand the concept of how hard it would be growing up in a country with no free healthcare system... You could only really comprehend that if you lived there for a time.

quickbeam

If it bothers you that much, Tomofson, maybe you need to dump your friend.

It'd bother me too, by the way.

tomofson

quickbeam wrote: »

If it bothers you that much, Tomofson, maybe you need to dump your friend.

It'd bother me too, by the way.

He has been a friend of mine for a long time and I am trying to get him to change he's mental thinking... But I know that depression is an issue in this case and not sure if it is at all possible. I have also been there when it comes to depression and I know its not an easy mentality to snap out of.

kneemos

No law against it.I have every right to be ungrateful if I fancy.

Maybe we should talk about your intolerance.

Speedwell

A bit of appropriate Shakespeare: http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/blow-blow-thou-winter-wind/

I had to learn the hard way that life is too short to allow toxic people to be your "friends". Friendship is, or should be, a two-way relationship. Obligations don't last forever and you only have so much energy to spend. If you feel the sting of always being the one who contributes, so that you have to complain that your "friend" is ungrateful and you regret your connection to them, it is not in truth a friendship. Nor is it a friendship if your "friend" is always complaining about what they feel obliged to do for you.

Gratitude is best expressed in reciprocity. Even "paying it forward" is OK. Not everyone has the capacity to reciprocate equally, and if you think they're honestly doing the best they can, then that's all right too so long as you can deal with it yourself. But unexpressed gratitude is no gratitude at all.

OldMrBrennan83

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tomofson

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Not quite getting your point there buddy?

OldMrBrennan83

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tomofson

Patww79 wrote: »

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Still not getting ye, but thanks for the contribution.

kneemos

tomofson wrote: »

Still not getting ye, but thanks for the contribution.

Should we live according to tomofson?

El_Duderino 09

tomofson wrote:

I am only complaining about my friends ungratefulness that he gets all this yet still complains constantly 24/7 about how hard he has...

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Once the Fella has a roof over his head and a steady income so he won't starve (safety), and someone to complain to (psychosocial) they will complain about how hard it is to achieve the other goals on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Which are 'love/belonging', 'esteem', and 'self actualisation'.

The person has a fixed income and no intention of getting a job or having any more money so they are pretty well stuck where they are on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and complaining about how hard life is

tomofson

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Once the Fella has a roof over his head and a steady income so he won't starve (safety), and someone to complain to (psychosocial) they will complain about how hard it is to achieve the other goals on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Which are 'love/belonging', 'esteem', and 'self actualisation'.

The person has a fixed income and no intention of getting a job or having any more money so they are pretty well stuck where they are on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and complaining about how hard life is

Interesting analysis, But I think it is more my friends background and life experiences that has him that way rather than what your trying to get at.
Sometimes it is very hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Saying that it shouldn't be so hard to see basic positives.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

If he's working and getting social welfare, why don't you report that? He's either working or he's not.

Phoebas

tomofson wrote: »

2) Mosney Ungrateful's , Refugees in mosney who claim to have fled war zones constantly complaining about how hard they have it here instead of just being grateful they are away from their own countries they say they had it so bad in. I do feel sorry for them cause I know they came over here for better opportunities but a bit of gratitude every now and then wouldn't go a miss.

I wouldn't mix up wanting to improve your situation with ungratefulness.

The people in Monsey have little opportunity to help themselves and are being kept in a limbo for years on end.
Maybe try to put yourself in their position and ask yourself how you would react.

Avatar MIA

The word is because.

You're welcome.

cursai

Ungrateful!!!....i'm entitled to all this!

kneemos

Avatar MIA wrote: »

The word is because.

You're welcome.

Cause is just as valid.

Ted111

I have five barely or not used at all prams here. Would like to
trade for seven sleeping bags. Tell your friend I can throw in some
cheese to sweeten the deal.

donegaLroad

A family member of mine works for the VDP and 2 years ago he was contacted by a local lady who said that she was stuck for a few quid to gi on a day trip with the local womens group.

The VDP told her sorry, they dont give cash out for day trips; but my relation felt sorry, and called down to her house later and stuck 20 yoyos in an envelope through her letterbox.

He got a text from her a few hours later to say it wasnt enough.

Avatar MIA

kneemos wrote: »

Cause is just as valid.

It might in time because of usage. However, for now...


"Because is a conjunction that means "for the reason of". Cause is a noun meaning "the reason something happened" or a verb meaning "to make happen."

kneemos

Avatar MIA wrote: »

It might in time because of usage. However, for now...


"Because is a conjunction that means "for the reason of". Cause is a noun meaning "the reason something happened" or a verb meaning "to make happen."

Cause is a verb.

Avatar MIA

kneemos wrote: »

Cause is a verb.

Correct.

'not in any way having a go at charities cause I think their work is excellent'

'cause' is not a verb in the above sentence.

Stojkovic

tomofson wrote: »

Sorry pal spur of the moment thread like most of mine I dont sit for hours thinking what words I am going to use... But yes you are probably correct.

You could at least use 'his' and not 'hes'.
I thought you were Spanish.

maudgonner

I, for one, am grateful for the rule that grammar Nazis are not welcome in AH, and this thread reminds me why...

Fleawuss

OP you have a point. We live in the age of the whinger and its a real downer to hear it all the time. Dilute to taste: for every one whinger in your life add 4 positive folk.

Avatar MIA

maudgonner wrote: »

I, for one, am grateful for the rule that grammar Nazis are not welcome in AH, and this thread reminds me why...

Aren't you breaking the rule of commenting on the alleged rule breach rather than the required reporting.

But, you got your 'thanks', so job done.

kneemos

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Aren't you breaking the rule of commenting on the alleged rule breach rather than the required reporting.

But, you got your 'thanks', so job done.

Definitely some rule being broken.

Avatar MIA

kneemos wrote: »

Definitely some rule being broken.

My post was a joke - I thought it obvious enough. Clearly it wasn't.

kneemos

Avatar MIA wrote: »

My post was a joke - I thought it obvious enough. Clearly it wasn't.

So was mine.

Avatar MIA

kneemos wrote: »

So was mine.

I don't think either of us will be troubling Dara Ó Briain any time soon.

padd b1975

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Why does it matter to you if others are grateful or not? Live your life how you see fit and don't be worrying about other people. Notice it and maybe appreciate what you yourself have and move on. Getting angry about something that is totally outside your control is pointless and only damaging to yourself in the long run

Although the OP hasn't admitted it, I suspect they're also concerned how their taxes are being spent.

maudgonner

kneemos wrote: »

So was mine.

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I don't think either of us will be troubling Dara Ó Briain any time soon.

But sure you are both so gorgeous you don't need to be funny.

Ted111

maudgonner wrote: »

But sure you are both so gorgeous you don't need to be funny.

Do not open sentences with a conjunction.

maudgonner

Ted111 wrote: »

Do not open sentences with a conjunction.

You, on the other hand, need to be funny.


:pac:

Pawwed Rig

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Aren't you breaking the rule of commenting on the alleged rule breach rather than the required reporting.

But, you got your 'thanks', so job done.

Aren't you backseat modding??
Sheet now I'm doing it too

tomofson

LexieOnRale wrote: »

If he's working and getting social welfare, why don't you report that? He's either working or he's not.

Cause I'm not a snitch

tomofson

Stojkovic wrote: »

You could at least use 'his' and not 'hes'.
I thought you were Spanish.

I try to just use words that people actually use in real life situations rather than impress the grammar nazi's of boards

4ensic15

Speedwell wrote: »

It's difficult to express my gratitude properly, though. Right now I am still trying to fit in and be a good member of the community. People ask me how I like Ireland, .

You are supposed to say its not too bad. The weather is awful, but God is good and the divil isn't the worst. Say the television is better here and sure you'd look hard to find a hurling match in America.