Irish immunity to psychoanalysis

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

Barry Badrinath

You know what happens when you use an assumption?!

You make an ass-outta-u-and-mption.

Wait, no thats not right. Oh look, you got the word "anal" in there OP!

Good job!

No.

Lyaiera

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

As a fundamental basis to conspiracy theories, yes. Otherwise, no.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Deleted User wrote: »

No.

But can an assumption be supposed?

s4uv3

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

But can an assumption be supposed?

An assumption is assumed

Dravokivich

I'd recommend some sort of cup or bottle.

goose2005

It wasn't freud who said it, it was Anthony Burgess. And anyway classical "psychoanalysis" is largely discredited

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

But can an assumption be supposed?

Well assumptions tend not to be based on fact. It is not factual to say that Irish people are immune to psychoanalysis.

The 'supposed' part exists because it is unclear whether such an assumption was ever made. I think it was attributed to Freud. If indeed he did assume such a thing then it might have come from his own issues residing in his unconscious. Freud made a bit of a hames of a few patients of his.

goose2005

goose2005 wrote: »

It wasn't freud who said it, it was Anthony Burgess. And anyway classical "psychoanalysis" is largely discredited

Ah I wasn't sure.

Credit is due for it being the beginning of 'talk therapy'.

maxwell smart

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

Sounds like the title of a thesis, get writing and we'll all have a read of it when your finished. Then we can make an informed decision

Renegade Mechanic

Psycho wha? D'you think we're gay or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmTgpsvkqt8

maudgonner

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

Assumptions aren't great for holding water. Try a jug.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

maudgonner wrote: »

Assumptions aren't great for holding water. Try a jug.

I was always told never **** where you eat or in this case piss where you drink.

FunLover18

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

You're deflecting. What's this really about, OP? Is it you incontinence?

Wibbs

Let's face it, if one looks at the actual hard science, psychoanalysis is mostly snake oil and quackery and continues to be so down to today. As a set of philosophical musings it has some merit from Freud through Jung, but in practical terms? Eh… mostly no. Placebo is strooooong. Which is cool too, if people feel better.

fryup

the irish are half mad, end of

XR3i

the problem is not with me, it's with you

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Let's face it, if one looks at the actual hard science, psychoanalysis is mostly snake oil and quackery and continues to be so down to today. As a set of philosophical musings it has some merit from Freud through Jung, but in practical terms? Eh… mostly no. Placebo is strooooong. Which is cool too, if people feel better.

It is simply another method of helping those who struggle with their mental health. That's it.
Also feelings and relational dynamics are quite difficult to quantify. I'm not sure how an analyst would measure incidences of transference and counter transference for example.

beach_walker

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

A half cup full, aye.

XR3i

Deleted User wrote: »

It is simply another method of helping those who struggle with their mental health. That's it.
Also feelings and relational dynamics are quite difficult to quantify. I'm not sure how an analyst would measure incidences of transference and counter transference for example.

exactly,

it's like a letter with the wrong address on it,

where should it go?

XR3i

XR3i wrote: »

exactly,

it's like a letter with the wrong address on it,

where should it go?

Where would you like it to go?

bobbysands81

Wibbs wrote: »

Let's face it, if one looks at the actual hard science, psychoanalysis is mostly snake oil and quackery and continues to be so down to today. As a set of philosophical musings it has some merit from Freud through Jung, but in practical terms? Eh… mostly no. Placebo is strooooong. Which is cool too, if people feel better.

If a placebo works then great!

We seem to have developed a huge snobbery around forms of therapy, if it works for the client then it's good by me!

XR3i

Deleted User wrote: »

Where would you like it to go?

that's a good question

but if i had to choose i'd send it to ireland, to the west

mzungu

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

I think the quote appeared on the internet after the Matt Damon line in The Departed. But Freud certainly never said it.

fatknacker

It must be bs. There can't be many Irish lads who want to ride / marry their mams, can there?

bobbysands81

fatknacker wrote: »

It must be bs. There can't be many Irish lads who want to ride / marry their mams, can there?

You haven't seen my Ma!

Permabear

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uch

I've tried to hold water a few times but I think I'm doing something wrong

uch

Confucius say, man who go to bed with itchy bum, wake in morning with smelly finger

endacl

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

It's not an assumption. It's a line from the movie 'The Departed'. That's all it is.

uch

endacl wrote: »

It's not an assumption. It's a line from the movie 'The Departed'. That's all it is.

Bet you can't hold water though

Permabear

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uch

Permabear wrote: »

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I think yer mans on Yokes

housetypeb

“The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad,
For all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad.”


― G.K. Chesterton, The Ballad of the White Horse

evolving tipperary

I think, Joyce's daughter was psychoanalysed by Jung...unsuccessfully.

Jung had read Ulysses and sent Joyce a review of it...and quite liked it. But, Joyce didn't think much of psychoanalysis! Maybe, he was just 'jung and easily freudened', as Joyce put it.

Dear Sir,

Your Ulysses has presented the world such an upsetting psychological problem that repeatedly I have been called in as a supposed authority on psychological matters.

Ulysses proved to be an exceedingly hard nut and it has forced my mind not only to most unusual efforts, but also to rather extravagant peregrinations (speaking from the standpoint of a scientist). Your book as a whole has given me no end of trouble and I was brooding over it for about three years until I succeeded to put myself into it. But I must tell you that I’m profoundly grateful to yourself as well as to your gigantic opus, because I learned a great deal from it. I shall probably never be quite sure whether I did enjoy it, because it meant too much grinding of nerves and of grey matter. I also don’t know whether you will enjoy what I have written about Ulysses because I couldn’t help telling the world how much I was bored, how I grumbled, how I cursed and how I admired. The 40 pages of non stop run at the end is a string of veritable psychological peaches. I suppose the devil’s grandmother knows so much about the real psychology of a woman, I didn’t.

Well, I just try to recommend my little essay to you, as an amusing attempt of a perfect stranger that went astray in the labyrinth of your Ulysses and happened to get out of it again by sheer good luck. At all events you may gather from my article what Ulysses has done to a supposedly balanced psychologist.

With the expression of my deepest appreciation, I remain, dear Sir,

Yours faithfully,

C. G. Jung

Earthhorse

That explains why our mental health services are so criminally underfunded.

Bobby Baccala

Someone's been watching The Departed too many times....

Wibbs

bobbysands81 wrote: »

If a placebo works then great!

Oh I agree 100%.

We seem to have developed a huge snobbery around forms of therapy, if it works for the client then it's good by me!

Again, that's cool and I'd not be snobbish about it, I would be wary of quite a bit of the science behind it though. Of all the areas of medicine I can think of no other that comes close to the levels of "what were we thinking" all the way up to downright quackery and recently with it that the psych stuff can lay claim to. We've come a long way from the likes of Bedlam thank christ, but we've a long way to go.

PowerToWait

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Psycho wha? D'you think we're gay or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmTgpsvkqt8

Bill's a lot funnier these days. And man his voice has aged.

Two Tone

fryup wrote: »

the irish are half mad, end of

Ah you can't be that mad can you?

dd972

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Does the supposed assumption that the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis hold any water.

No, it's just another quip based on the notion that the Oirish are the most whimsical, witty, mercurial and unique maverick people on the planet and people who aren't born there have missed out on it all.