Executive (50) tried to 'strangle' cyclist

4ensic15

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/executive-50-tried-to-strangle-cyclist-with-helmet-straps-as-victim-was-using-footpath-34867684.html


6K in penalties for trying to stop anti-social behaviour. Seems a bit over the top!

The Moldy Gowl

Rabble Rabble Rabble tax em all Rabble Rabble militant cyclists

Fleawuss

Ah here, he made a fair effort to hammer the cyclist. Both in the wrong but hammering him is wronger.

RayM

4ensic15 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/executive-50-tried-to-strangle-cyclist-with-helmet-straps-as-victim-was-using-footpath-34867684.html


6K in penalties for trying to stop anti-social behaviour. Seems a bit over the top!

According to that article, he "knocked the man off his bike, punched him and kneed him while he was in a headlock". He got off incredibly lightly.

Jawgap

€6k to avoid a conviction for a serious assault.......

.......gotta love Irish justice.......

.....let the immolation of the denture wearing cyclist commence

4ensic15

RayM wrote: »

According to that article, he "knocked the man off his bike, punched him and kneed him while he was in a headlock". He got off incredibly lightly.

I think people intervened and stopped him otherwise he wouldn't have gotten off so lightly.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

According to that article, he "knocked the man off his bike, punched him and kneed him while he was in a headlock". He got off incredibly lightly.

Yeah. I would have done far worse.

selastich2

Oh Look, someone a a different mode of transport...
...they won't get away with that kind of thing round these parts...

DEFTLEFTHAND

selastich2 wrote: »

Oh Look, someone a a different mode of transport...
...they won't get away with that kind of thing round these parts...

Blast the horn and flash the lights.

Jawgap

stimpson wrote: »

Yeah. I would have done far worse.

I wonder if he would have assaulted the cyclist if the cyclist had been some hairy, extensively pierced cycle courier, instead of a denture wearing older chap.....

selastich2

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Blast the horn and flash the lights.

as a pedestrian that may have caused him more trouble :pac:

Clampdown

4ensic15 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/executive-50-tried-to-strangle-cyclist-with-helmet-straps-as-victim-was-using-footpath-34867684.html


6K in penalties for trying to stop anti-social behaviour. Seems a bit over the top!

Calling cycling on a footpath anti social behavior is a bit over the top!. And the attacker caused permanent damage to his face, and that's what most of the money went for. I'd wager you're one of those people that has a vendetta against cyclists. Everyone in this country either hates cyclists or cats. It's the law. I'm not a cyclist btw.

In towns all over Ireland people often drive right up onto the footpath where people are walking to park there, even though parking on the footpath is meant to be illegal. And pedestrians often have to walk around cars parked illegally on the footpath and end up walking in the road, causing them to be technically jawyalking. To me it's motorists who are by far more guilty of anti social behavior but I don't go knocking them down, beating and strangling them.

Grayson

I've always felt that fines should be in proportion not only to the crime but also to the guilty parties ability to pay. 6k would be a nightmare for a lot of people to pay but in this case it's a tiny amount. Should have been a lot more than that.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Rabble Rabble Rabble tax em all Rabble Rabble militant cyclists

Honest to God, could you not even read the article before you post that drivel?

RayM

It's funny... threads about short (or in this case non-existent) sentences for violent crimes usually attract outrage from the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.

The Moldy Gowl

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Honest to God, could you not even read the article before you post that drivel?

You're obsessed with me.


I read it earlier yeah. I know the street well.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

It's funny... threads about short (or in this case non-existent) sentences for violent crimes usually attract outrage from the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.

People who cycle on footpaths are vermin. There was an incident in the UK where a young girl got hit by a cyclist, fractured her skull and died.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

You're obsessed with me.

I can see why you might feel that way, but the reality of it is that you post by far the most bs of anyone, and that's why you get called out on it more.

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

People who cycle on footpaths are vermin. There was an incident in the UK where a young girl got hit by a cyclist, fractured her skull and died.

You could apply the same logic to people who break the speed limit. Would you advocate dragging speeding motorists out of their cars and smashing their teeth?

4ensic15

Clampdown wrote: »

Calling cycling on a footpath anti social behavior is a bit over the top!..

It is very anti-social behaviour. Have you ever had a cyclist crash into you while you walk on the street? And do they have insurance? Can they be found afterwards. they just jump on the bike and away. No chance of getting new dentures out of it.

Jawgap

4ensic15 wrote: »

It is very anti-social behaviour. Have you ever had a cyclist crash into you while you walk on the street? And do they have insurance? Can they be found afterwards. they just jump on the bike and away. No chance of getting new dentures out of it.

Very, very few people have, according to the accident stats.

And most cyclist would have insurance through their home insurance policy.

The Moldy Gowl

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

I can see why you might feel that way, but the reality of it is that you post by far the most bs of anyone, and that's why you get called out on it more.

Do I? Do you have examples of me being called out? I can't remember when I was called out last.
Might probably help if I posted in the same threads as you.

If you can find threads where I have been spouting nonsense, you can pm me as I would love to know.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

You could apply the same logic to people who break the speed limit. Would you advocate dragging speeding motorists out of their cars and smashing their teeth?

If they were on the footpath? Absolutely.

4ensic15

Jawgap wrote: »

Very, very few people have, according to the accident stats.

And most cyclist would have insurance through their home insurance policy.

A fat lot of good home insurance is when the offender can't be found.

Jawgap

4ensic15 wrote: »

A fat lot of good home insurance is when the offender can't be found.

Well thankfully it's rare enough not to be sociologically relevant.

More people tonight will end up in EDs having got slaps in and around pubs and nightclubs than will end up as a result of cyclist collisions in a year.......

......only a tiny fraction will be held to account

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

If they were on the footpath? Absolutely.

You're dodging the question. You cited an example of a child being killed by a cyclist on a pavement in the UK as justification for carrying out an assault on anybody who cycles on the pavement. There are plenty of examples of people being killed by speeding motorists. Would you advocate dragging a speeding motorist out of their car and smashing their teeth? It's a simple question.

Allinall

Bloody ridiculous .

He'll probably just get a slap on the wrist, when a guy that beats the crap out of a clove of garlic gets six years.

ArmaniJeanss

stimpson wrote: »

Yeah. I would have done far worse.

An early contender for Julys 'Internet Tough Guy' award, good luck.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

You're dodging the question. You cited an example of a child being killed by a cyclist on a pavement in the UK as justification for carrying out an assault on anybody who cycles on the pavement. There are plenty of examples of people being killed by speeding motorists. Would you advocate dragging a speeding motorist out of their car and smashing their teeth? It's a simple question.

I never justified it. I just said they were vermin.

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

I never justified it. I just said they were vermin.

You said you "would have done far worse". Is that not the same as justifying it?

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

You said you "would have done far worse". Is that not the same as justifying it?

I offered no justification.

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

I offered no justification.

You're going to some lengths to dodge a simple question. And looking very silly in the process.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

You're going to some lengths to dodge a simple question. And looking very silly in the process.

I'm not dodging the question. I think it's a pity that you need to resort to name calling.

diomed

stimpson wrote: »

People who cycle on footpaths are vermin. There was an incident in the UK where a young girl got hit by a cyclist, fractured her skull and died.

You are confusing an incident in the UK with an incident in Ireland.
In the UK a cyclist killed a girl.
In Ireland a pedestrian assaulted a cyclist.
Those are the facts.

SCOOP 64

Totality over the top reaction to a cyclist on foot path, this bloke has a very short fuse and a temper to match, if some one was walking along foot path looking down at mobile and pumped in to him and then apologise would get the same beating.

stimpson

diomed wrote: »

You are confusing an incident in the UK with an incident in Ireland.
In the UK a cyclist killed a girl.
In Ireland a pedestrian assaulted a cyclist.
Those are the facts.

Are the laws of physics not the same in both juristictions (Brexit notwithstanding)?

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

I'm not dodging the question. I think it's a pity that you need to resort to name calling.

I haven't called anyone any names. I think it's a pity that, rather than answering a simple question, you've chosen to pretend I've resorted to name-calling.

I'll ask you again though (not expecting an answer, obviously, but I'm interested in seeing how long you'll dodge it for). You said that you "would have done far worse" to the assault victim. Therefore you are justifying the use of violence against people who cycle dangerously. Do you justify the use of violence against speeding motorists?

RobbieTheRobber

stimpson wrote: »

Yeah. I would have done far worse.

Yeah of course you would that's why your posting on the internet about it.

steamengine

Back in the fifties and sixties there plenty of cycling commuters in Dublin and elsewhere and I don't remember any of the present hassle and aggro that exists between bikes, pedestrians and cars etc. In fact there wasn't any.

Unfortunately nowadays there are pr**ks on bikes, on two legs and on four or more wheels as well.

diomed

stimpson wrote: »

Are the laws of physics not the same in both juristictions (Brexit notwithstanding)?

As far as I know the laws of physics apply everywhere in the universe.
You seem to be an expert in whataboutery, mentioning two or more unconnected events, and suggesting they are connected.

stimpson

RayM wrote: »

I haven't called anyone any names. I think it's a pity that, rather than answering a simple question, you've chosen to pretend I've resorted to name-calling.

You called me silly.

I'll ask you again though (not expecting an answer, obviously, but I'm interested in seeing how long you'll dodge it for). You said that you "would have done far worse" to the assault victim. Therefore you are justifying the use of violence against people who cycle dangerously. Do you justify the use of violence against speeding motorists?

I'll refer you to my previous answer. I have not offered any justification. I think it's you that is looking silly now.

entropi

The cyclist didn't deserve a hiding, but no cyclist should be on the footpath. I don't move out of their way if coming towards me on a path, sometimes playing a game of chicken is a good thing.

gandalf

The guy should have been convicted for assault. He got let off, it's not his place to go all Dirty Harry on a cyclist.

stimpson

diomed wrote: »

As far as I know the laws of physics apply everywhere in the universe.
You seem to be an expert in whataboutery, mentioning two or more unconnected events, and suggesting they are connected.

They are connected by the fact that in both instances people were cycling on the footpath. It's not a difficult concept to comprehend.

Vojera

It's disgusting that he was able to buy his way out of a conviction. The law should be applied to everyone equally, regardless of income.

Kermit.de.frog

TBF if I saw a cyclist riding a bike on a public footpath i'd be minded to him a dig too. There are cycle lanes, use them.

4ensic15

What excuse did the cyclist offer for cycling on the footpath?

RobbieTheRobber

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

TBF if I saw a cyclist riding a bike on a public footpath i'd be minded to him a dig too. There are cycle lanes, use them.

Do you take that approach to other minor breaches of the law?
Like do you punch people who litter, jaywalk, drink in a public place, park on paths?
Is it just legal things or do you punch people who act in anti social ways, such as shout in public, skip queues etc?

RayM

stimpson wrote: »

You called me silly.

I didn't. I said you're looking quite silly. For all I know, you might - contrary to how you're coming across - be extremely smart and this thread is just an embarrassing blip. Or maybe you're just being deliberately obtuse.

stimpson wrote: »

I'll refer you to my previous answer. I have not offered any justification. I think it's you that is looking silly now.

Hey potty-mouth, less of the name-calling.

You think it's acceptable to "do worse" than knocking somebody's teeth out for cycling on the pavement. You (rightly) point out that it's dangerous and can kill people. Speeding in a car is also dangerous (and kills lots of people). What punishment would you dish out to somebody who you happened to catch speeding? Would it also be worse than knocking their teeth out?

Lyaiera

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

An early contender for Julys 'Internet Tough Guy' award, good luck.

Decided by the votes of the Edgelord Committee.

gandalf

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

TBF if I saw a cyclist riding a bike on a public footpath i'd be minded to him a dig too. There are cycle lanes, use them.

So you would assault someone you didn't know because they were cycling on the footpath. I really hope you don't resolve all your issues in such a fashion :rolleyes: