Abbots Grove Knocklyon

68 lost souls

Any one know anything about Abbots Grove?

Very little information available at present. Looks like an owners management company was setup this week and an add appeare don Sherry Fitz.

Registered interest the other day but heard nothing back yet.

Slightly confused as to how they are calling it Knocklyon as it is past Hunterswood and looks more like D24 than 16. Or at least thats what the map at present looks like. me thinks the are forcing it to up the price.

intheclouds

Where they are showing on the map on myhome.ie is totally wrong IMO. That's Tim McGlynns farm, he hasn't sold it.

The sdcc planning says its adjacent to Ballycullen road and stocking avenue so I'd imagine it's between dalriada and columcilles well. Lot of building around there recently so no surprise. It is the D16 side.

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intheclouds wrote: »

Where they are showing on the map on myhome.ie is totally wrong IMO. That's Tim McGlynns farm, he hasn't sold it.

The sdcc planning says its adjacent to Ballycullen road and stocking avenue so I'd imagine it's between dalriada and columcilles well. Lot of building around there recently so no surprise. It is the D16 side.

Ok I was confused by the map. If this the development off the round about on sticking lane? Past st colmcilles?

intheclouds

68 lost souls wrote: »

Ok I was confused by the map. If this the development off the round about on sticking lane? Past st colmcilles?

What do you mean by St Colmcilles? If you mean Colmkilles Mews, then yes. If you mean Columcilles Well, then it looks to me like it is just before that.

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intheclouds wrote: »

What do you mean by St Colmcilles? If you mean Colmkilles Mews, then yes. If you mean Columcilles Well, then it looks to me like it is just before that.

I meant St Colmcilles secondary school

Edit: I see it's being developed by the same crowd as Dalriada

intheclouds

Oh I see. It's not near the secondary school at all.

It's right next to Dalriada.

notkenny

Any guess on prices, I am thinking they might be over 400K.

intheclouds

Saw a different map showing this as much further along stocking lane - so not quite sure what site it is.

notkenny

intheclouds wrote: »

Saw a different map showing this as much further along stocking lane - so not quite sure what site it is.

As you said in your earlier post This is right next to to Dalriada where 15b bus starts.

intheclouds

notkenny wrote: »

As you said in your earlier post This is right next to to Dalriada where 15b bus starts.

Ah, ok, that seems to make the most sense alright. Nice part of the world, although I imagine there will be a lot of development work in that area over the next few years, so it could get very built up.

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notkenny wrote: »

Any guess on prices, I am thinking they might be over 400K.

Hope not but we will wait and see. Hoping the 3 beds are closer to 350k but who knows.

Although if it is build in a similar built up fashion to Dalriada or Hunterswood I wont be too interested.

seamus

It will be a build similar to the latest properties at Dalriada. The land and the planning permission has been taken over by a company called "Winterbrook".

I would expect prices around the same as the latest ones at Dalriada - between 350 and 500k.

Full planning details here; http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD13A/0005

It's not a bad little spot. I used to live in one of the duplexes overlooking this piece of land. Pretty far out in general, only a LIDL and a small Spar in walking distance; no decent restaurants or town centre. Bus service is good though.
There's a primary school zoned to go in next door to this development to the east, though as yet no dates for one. It'll probably be at least ten years in real terms.

The farmland to the South is zoned for as parkland, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone "convince" a planner to allow them to build on it. The land to the South-East (south of Stocking Wood) has planning permission for a housing estate.

Nice and picturesque, safe, relatively quiet. Definitely D16 - any children here will be in the catchment area for Knocklyon, though those boundaries might be redrawn with the two new schools being built closer by in Firhouse.

intheclouds

68 lost souls wrote: »

Although if it is build in a similar built up fashion to Dalriada or Hunterswood I wont be too interested.

seamus wrote: »

It will be a build similar to the latest properties at Dalriada. The land and the planning permission has been taken over by a company called "Winterbrook".

Hunterswood is so overbuilt. I viewed a property there a couple of weeks ago and the place is just LITTERED with cars, and back gardens the size of a postage stamp with no front gardens and parking for only one car.

Its very shortsighted, its MORE parking people need, not less.

Im not really interested in these 3 story new builds either, tall skinny houses, hard on the knees (ok ok Im showing my age!).

Angel2016

68 lost souls wrote: »

Hope not but we will wait and see. Hoping the 3 beds are closer to 350k but who knows.

Although if it is build in a similar built up fashion to Dalriada or Hunterswood I wont be too interested.

If 350K is your budget you should have a good choice around the D16 area and surrounding areas have you looked anywhere else or do you want to stick to this estate.
Personally it looks to me to be D24 but it is on the D16 side.

My friends partner is building houses up in Knocklyn or has just finished and I think the prices are around 375K

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Angel2016 wrote: »

If 350K is your budget you should have a good choice around the D16 area and surrounding areas have you looked anywhere else or do you want to stick to this estate.
Personally it looks to me to be D24 but it is on the D16 side.

My friends partner is building houses up in Knocklyn or has just finished and I think the prices are around 375K

We've been looking at a good few alright. At the moment we think we have our house picked but waiting on the next phase to be released. In the mean time we're keeping an eye out for alternatives in case A) anything even better comes along or the price jump between phases is too much and we cant afford it.

Almost put an offer on another property in D24 but it just fell short on one or two things for us.

Ideally we would like to be in Knocklyon proper, as in closer to Supervalue but we can't afford that at the moment. Going for a new build with an A rating is also a long term plus for us. We are not interested really in a "starter" home and plan on sticking with this home for at least 15-20 years kinda thing.

Angel2016

68 lost souls wrote: »

We've been looking at a good few alright. At the moment we think we have our house picked but waiting on the next phase to be released. In the mean time we're keeping an eye out for alternatives in case A) anything even better comes along or the price jump between phases is too much and we cant afford it.

Almost put an offer on another property in D24 but it just fell short on one or two things for us.

Ideally we would like to be in Knocklyon proper, as in closer to Supervalue but we can't afford that at the moment. Going for a new build with an A rating is also a long term plus for us. We are not interested really in a "starter" home and plan on sticking with this home for at least 15-20 years kinda thing.

You have a plan in place and that is good and the main thing.

notkenny

Angel2016

which houses are you referring for 375, I couldn't find new any builds in Knockylon for 375.

seamus

intheclouds wrote: »

Hunterswood is so overbuilt. I viewed a property there a couple of weeks ago and the place is just LITTERED with cars, and back gardens the size of a postage stamp with no front gardens and parking for only one car.

Ignore Hunterswood and the older part of Dalriada when assessing these new properties.

The newer builds in Dalriada are far better specced and built than the original houses, so take a look at them before you write off this new build.

Small gardens are kind of par for the course at this stage with a new build. You don't get big front and rear gardens anymore - not within 15km of Dublin city anyway. If you want generous gardens, you want a house that's 15+ years old.

notkenny wrote: »

@Angel2016

which houses are you referring for 375, I couldn't find new any builds in Knockylon for 375.

The latest batch of houses at Dalriada are going for less than that and are being called Knocklyon. It's a bit of a stretch but they are D16.

Angel2016

notkenny wrote: »

Angel2016

which houses are you referring for 375, I couldn't find new any builds in Knockylon for 375.

I'll ask my friend who's partner is building up there she had said it to me would I be interested in one and I asked the price she told me and it was over my budget so I said no but I will message her and see what the name is.

intheclouds

seamus wrote: »

Ignore Hunterswood and the older part of Dalriada when assessing these new properties.

I wouldnt go for a new property again tbh, plus I dont want management fees.

Im looking around the older parts of firhouse and rathfarnham now - but very little comes onstream.

Angel2016

intheclouds wrote: »

I wouldnt go for a new property again tbh, plus I dont want management fees.

Im looking around the older parts of firhouse and rathfarnham now - but very little comes onstream.

I want an older house too and am not even looking at new developments I live in D24 and there is elder heath and ones further up but I dont like the look of them no character plus I am selling my apt so am just getting rid of a management company thank god plus I think you get better value with older houses.

intheclouds

Angel2016 wrote: »

I want an older house too and am not even looking at new developments I live in D24 and there is elder heath and ones further up but I dont like the look of them no character plus I am selling my apt so am just getting rid of a management company thank god plus I think you get better value with older houses.

It can be difficult to know how an area will develop when its brand new as well.

I grew up in Knocklyon/Firhouse so am familiar with most parts of both - cant afford most of Knocklyon now but unfortunately not a huge amount comes up on "old" Firhouse where the estates are quieter and well settled in.

notkenny

I was looking at planning permission SD13A/0005 but did not find any duplex houses in it but they have listed duplexes on myhome and daft, but I see duplexes in different planning permission SD09A/0066 and this looks like older planning permission. I am confused now?

seamus

Yeah, I don't see them either.

This was originally Dalriada Phase 4 when Ellier owned the land. They effectively went bust, but perhaps the estate agent is selling it as "Abbots Grove, Dalriada", so the duplexes being referred to are in the Northern part of Dalriada.

There is a pile of documentation in that planning application that I haven't gone through - perhaps there are some orders or adjustments made that insert some duplexes into the plans.

notkenny

Hi,

Did any one attended information evening on 26th July, I just found out about this only today morning. Any more info on prices or plans from information evening.

Dial Hard

I sincerely hope SDCC have a traffic plan in place to deal with all the development up there but unfortunately I doubt it. Getting down the Ballycullen Rd onto Colmcille's Way can take upwards of 20 minutes some mornings as it is.

notkenny

Any update on the prices for this development?

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notkenny wrote: »

Any update on the prices for this development?

Expecting to hear any day now, got a call to say I'd be getting an email soon

youcancallmeal

Some prices up on Sherry fitz now. 425k for the 4 beds and 369k for the 3 beds

youcancallmeal

Dial Hard wrote: »

I sincerely hope SDCC have a traffic plan in place to deal with all the development up there but unfortunately I doubt it. Getting down the Ballycullen Rd onto Colmcille's Way can take upwards of 20 minutes some mornings as it is.

This is a major problem I have with buying a house up around there. Traffic is just insane in the mornings and evenings. Not sure what they can do about it though, it is sheer volume causing it really

notkenny

Did any one bought in this development? Any feed back?

asteroids over berlin

Another example of the developer paying somebody for a postcode i.e. Knocklyon. Wrong side of the m50 for me, can see them depreciate. Scholarstown wood is far better (but farcically priced)

notkenny

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Another example of the developer paying somebody for a postcode i.e. Knocklyon. Wrong side of the m50 for me, can see them depreciate. Scholarstown wood is far better (but farcically priced)

I see your point but actually some of house type prices are increased by 10 to 15k from launch weekend. I think they sold lot of houses on launch weekend may be that's why they increased the the price after 2 weeks.

youcancallmeal

Yeah I heard there were queues down the road to view them and traffic was chaos(A sign of things to come perhaps?)

asteroids over berlin

notkenny wrote: »

I see your point but actually some of house type prices are increased by 10 to 15k from launch weekend. I think they sold lot of houses on launch weekend may be that's why they increased the the price after 2 weeks.

wow, didn't hear that. I was coming from a longer term point if view. Perhaps indeed a sign of things to come

intheclouds

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Yeah I heard there were queues down the road to view them and traffic was chaos(A sign of things to come perhaps?)

Cant say I noticed that on any recent weekends?

youcancallmeal

intheclouds wrote: »

Cant say I noticed that on any recent weekends?

Fair enough, wasn't actually there myself, just what I heard

68 lost souls

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Yeah I heard there were queues down the road to view them and traffic was chaos(A sign of things to come perhaps?)

Went past 5 hours before launch on launch day and 10 people in a line waiting to buy. Went buy at 1:30 which was 30 minutes before launch and they had started letting people view traffic was grand but cars were parked the whole way to to the roundabout on both sides.

Viewed the houses and didn't like them, a lot of wasted space and very overcrowded like Dalriada. Bought elsewhere since

rick_fantastic

Put deposit down on a 3 bed end of terrace on Sunday. They say ready in January but I reckon will be waiting til probably March.

Was only a handful of units left when we were in. Two @ 369k, one @ 394k, and a few bigger ones @ 415 & 445k

Very happy with the purchase, looks to be a bit lower density then Dalriada or Hunterswood.

Nice to also get some rebate from government, everything else I looked at in D14/16/18, South Co. Dublin needed a lot of work in the 300-400k price range.

Unknown Soldier

Dial Hard wrote: »

I sincerely hope SDCC have a traffic plan in place to deal with all the development up there but unfortunately I doubt it. Getting down the Ballycullen Rd onto Colmcille's Way can take upwards of 20 minutes some mornings as it is.

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Yeah I heard there were queues down the road to view them and traffic was chaos(A sign of things to come perhaps?)

If you leave for work before 7:25am the traffic is OK (mostly), otherwise it is an unmitigated disaster. Even the buses are suffering. It can be quite a pain in the hole in the evenings too.

I was once told that years ago that part of the plan (this was around 2003) was that the roundabout at the top of Stocking Avenue was supposed to have a "on" only slip to the M50. I don't know how true that is, but only something like that will stop the mayhem that is the traffic in the mornings.

REFLINE1

http://www.sdcc.ie/sites/default/files/publications//ballycullen-oldcourt-lap-final-low-res.pdf

some good info here

Alkers

Unknown Soldier wrote:

If you leave for work before 7:25am the traffic is OK (mostly), otherwise it is an unmitigated disaster. Even the buses are suffering. It can be quite a pain in the hole in the evenings too.

Even for he busses, the delay getting in through the roundabouts can take up to 15 minutes in the mornings. Other than that it is a good area but I do not like the feel of hunters wood and dalriada and parking can be a pain also.

Chris_5339762

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

I was once told that years ago that part of the plan (this was around 2003) was that the roundabout at the top of Stocking Avenue was supposed to have a "on" only slip to the M50. I don't know how true that is, but only something like that will stop the mayhem that is the traffic in the mornings.

That can only be a rumour, the NRA, TFI and all the other institutions in charge of the M50 would never allow it.

intheclouds

Simona1986 wrote: »

Even for he busses, the delay getting in through the roundabouts can take up to 15 minutes in the mornings. Other than that it is a good area but I do not like the feel of hunters wood and dalriada and parking can be a pain also.

Given the massive influx of housing being thrown up I personally feel that all junctions along the Ballycullen road need to be redesigned. The Woodstown roundabout is a complete bottleneck. I've written to the council and raised concerns but as usual, housing thrown up with no regard for infrastructure.

rick_fantastic

I don't really see this as a major issue to be honest, its going to be like that at any M50 junction. If I leave Dundrum at the wrong time it can take me over 25mins to get up to the M50 roundabout due to traffic on the link road up.

RaulDublin

Hi.
Has anyone recently bought or viewed Abbots grove. I was looking for a 4 bhk but was a few months late and they seem to be all gone . Hardly any info from sherry fitz on the upcoming plans ( called them) although i do see a few 4 beds (foyle 4 bh semi detached ) in the site plan they have shared on their brochure.
My buget is around 450k . Has anyone found better new homes in this range ??

Thanks a ton . Raul

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RaulDublin wrote: »

Hi.
Has anyone recently bought or viewed Abbots grove. I was looking for a 4 bhk but was a few months late and they seem to be all gone . Hardly any info from sherry fitz on the upcoming plans ( called them) although i do see a few 4 beds (foyle 4 bh semi detached ) in the site plan they have shared on their brochure.
My buget is around 450k . Has anyone found better new homes in this range ??

Thanks a ton . Raul

Go a couple of hundred meters down the road to Dodderbrook. There is a 140+sq meter 4 bed for 420,000. 2 left as far as I know. Much nicer in my opinion than Abbots Grove

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/oldcourt-road-ballycullen-dublin-24/3417896?RegionId=1462&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&MinBeds=&MaxBeds=&MinSize=&MaxSize=&MinEnergyRating=&Query=&PreSixtyThree=false&Page=&view=list

notkenny

Hi, Did any one signed the contracts for these houses?

rick_fantastic

Hi NotKenny - I am in the process of signing for one of the Abbots Grove houses at the moment.

There is another phase which will probably be released as they finish Phase1 - this is expected to be completed by Feb/March or so I am told.

There isn't much between Abbots Grove and Dodderbrook, gardens are a bit bigger in Dodderbrook but I preferred the houses in Abbots Grove so went for one of those instead.

There is also the postcode argument D16 over D24, school catchment area etc but there is an educate together going in beside Abbot's Grove and there is a zoned shopping centre up in Stocking Wood (might be a few years though)

youcancallmeal

Are they running behind schedule on getting the first phase complete? Might explain why there has been very little info on the 2nd phase released.
Anyone know if the 4 bed houses went for 425k in the end and how many of them were there?

notkenny

There are only 3 of 4  bed houses  in first phase, they were all sold out and I think they went for 425.