Bypassed RTE One 5/7/16 9.35

mikeym

Will anyone be watching this show?

Might be worth the watch into the effects of towns and villages being bypassed.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/bypassed.html

ongarboy

Watching it now. Seeing Monasterevin brought back painful memories of driving through there, Kildare town and Nenagh on Friday evenings back in the 90s on my way down to Kerry for the weekend!! Adare is my only painful bottleneck now!!

D Trent

ongarboy wrote: »

Watching it now. Seeing Monasterevin brought back painful memories of driving through there, Kildare town and Nenagh on Friday evenings back in the 90s on my way down to Kerry for the weekend!! Adare is my only painful bottleneck now!!

Holy fucl< they'd make a show about anything now

JeffK88

Im watching it, as a Newbridge man, I expected the town to be mentioned but sure skipped Newbridge and Kildare with a 2 min mention of Naas sure not important enough for rte.... but overall it was ..mehhhh. Nothing to write home about.

guylikeme

Not seeing the show but the ad with that tune of the good old days.... Sheesh. Wasting hours of my life in moate, Abberley etc so that some local shop owner gets the passing trade is not good. The amount of extra revenue the state (and by extension state supports) gets from better communications, faster journey times etc will keep many more heads above water than john's chip shop in urlingford.

In short, fk em

cgcsb

Trade that was based on poor infrastructure was ultimately never sustainable. Things are much better now. If only we could get some expenditure on transport in the Cities now we'd be on easy street. Transport in the Dublin, Cork and Galway urban areas is shocking at the best of times.

ongarboy

Adare is the only town/village I'm forced through routinely that has regular backlogs of traffic. It is probably one of the nicest and picturesque towns in Ireland and I would actually like to stop/visit there once to enjoy it's amenities and wide selection of cafes/bars etc but in all the 100s of times I've passed through there on my way to Kerry, I've probably only ever stopped there once for fuel/refreshments as the problem is that by the time you get into the town, you are already impatient and pissed off from moving one mile an hour for the previous 20 or so minutes that all you want to do is keep going so that you can get to your end destination asap. I really think most motorists that were forced through all these bypassed towns in the past never shopped or spent time there so I wonder how much of an economic hit they took because of the bypass. All those empty shops in Mountrath or was it Monastarevin were going to be empty due to rural migration to urban areas rather than bypasses where people were only going to stop for a soft drink or icecream at the most.

Mc Love

I dont think Adare would suffer as it's close enough to the city and it does have a good enough population and tourist attractions.

NCW, Abbeyfeale are the same in my opinion but not nearly as bad as Adare for traffic problems

Spanish Eyes

Maynooth for me was the absolute worst.

It's still busy, but local mostly now thank god.

And Kinnegad. The wait to get on to the Main Street there would make you lose the will to live.

You can probably guess I was travelling Galway to Dublin at the time!

Bypasses are great. They are optional which is a good thing too.

Must watch on the Player. Thanks for the heads up.

marno21

Mc Love wrote: »

I dont think Adare would suffer as it's close enough to the city and it does have a good enough population and tourist attractions.

NCW, Abbeyfeale are the same in my opinion but not nearly as bad as Adare for traffic problems

Adare is effectively a giant traffic calming measure that dramatically slows down the traffic going to NCW. NCW will be ridiculous when the M21 stops at Reens Pike in a few years time.

N21 Reens Pike - County Boundary should be going trough planning at the minute, but resources are being focused instead on the N5 Enda Expressway

L1011

marno21 wrote: »

Adare is effectively a giant traffic calming measure that dramatically slows down the traffic going to NCW. NCW will be ridiculous when the M21 stops at Reens Pike in a few years time.

That has been said about pretty much every scheme and it generally has not come to pass. The same volume of traffic will be going through NCW.

marno21

L1011 wrote: »

That has been said about pretty much every scheme and it generally has not come to pass. The same volume of traffic will be going through NCW.

I'd actually say the M21 will encourage more vehicles onto the road, especially north of Rathkeale.

However, the traffic will now be arriving from Adare to NCW much quicker, and whilst Newcastlewest will be able to process the same amount of vehicles, they will arrive into NCW quicker because the M21 will process them quicker than Adare could.

This is ignoring the fact that general traffic along the N21 corridor will grow anyway.

L1011

marno21 wrote: »

However, the traffic will now be arriving from Adare to NCW much quicker, and whilst Newcastlewest will be able to process the same amount of vehicles, they will arrive into NCW quicker because the M21 will process them quicker than Adare could.

My point is that we were told that about every potential bottleneck when one further down was relieved and it has never come to pass. It sounds like it makes sense but it doesn't.

It has become embedded in the psyche almost to suggest that relieving a bottleneck with "just move the problem down to X" when it doesn't.

Leonard Hofstadter

Even if it was true (which it isn't), it's still no reason not to do the likes of Adare anyway, and besides, heading from NCW into Limerick won't be any worse than they presently are so it will still be better for NCW for there to be a high quality, non-stop road between it and Limerick.

marno21

captainspeed wrote: »

Even if it was true (which it isn't), it's still no reason not to do the likes of Adare anyway, and besides, heading from NCW into Limerick won't be any worse than they presently are so it will still be better for NCW for there to be a high quality, non-stop road between it and Limerick.

Oh Adare has to be done anyway, but finishing the N21 is still very important, because of the layout of Newcastlewest & Abbeyfeale they will cause significant issues with motorway levels of traffic being dumped into the town.

As a regular user of the N21, it'll be nice to say goodbye to Adare but the problems won't disappear, but then again there's similar problems all over the country.

Grandeeod

Dreadful programme with a dreadful agenda.

Bypasses were not responsible for much of what was an issue.

NedNew2

Grandeeod wrote: »

Dreadful programme with a dreadful agenda.

Bypasses were not responsible for much of what was an issue.

I thought it was very poor too. I was hoping to see more of a comparison and effects before and after bypassing a town.

lottpaul

Adare will easily survive and probably thrive even more with a bypass. At present no one benefits from the traffic being forced through it and tourists would likely linger a bit more without the menace of HGVs and frustrated Kerry and W Limerick drivers

We always traditionally stopped in Newcastlewest for food, fuel etc but the level of traffic means that we now usually use Applegreen or Templeglantine, so a future bypass for it or Abbeyfeale would make little difference in our case.

As for the original programme on the old N7, I agree that having stopped and started for 10 or 20 minutes getting to Nenagh, Roscrea, Kildare etc etc etc the last thing on our mind ever was to stop and get out. The litany of Naas, Newbridge, Kildare, Monasterevan, Portlaoise, Mountrath, Borris, Roscrea, Moneygall, Toomevara, Nenagh, Birdhill still brings me out in a sweat -- and has everyone forgotten Castletroy, the Parkway roundabout, Childers Road, Raheen, Patrickswell etc!!

Thank God for bypasses.

mikeym

The programme kind of went off in a tangent at parts.

Hasnt changed my opinion of Motorways and I am very much in favour of more being built.

For anyone that missed out its available on Sky catchup on the New RTE Player.

medoc

Thought it was going to be a better "road" program than it was. Though the purpose was to show the community affects of been bypassed I suppose. I've always felt it was such a missed oppertunity for RTÉ or more likely one of the independent production companies, to have followed the massive road building programs these past few years. Sort of like what you see on Discovery etc. Such amazing (from an Irish perspective) times could have been documented from an engineering point of view. I seen ones recently on Crossrail and Bostons big dig.

ongarboy

medoc wrote: »

Thought it was going to be a better "road" program than it was. Though the purpose was to show the community affects of been bypassed I suppose. I've always felt it was such a missed oppertunity for RTÉ or more likely one of the independent production companies, to have followed the massive road building programs these past few years. Sort of like what you see on Discovery etc. Such amazing (from an Irish perspective) times could have been documented from an engineering point of view. I seen ones recently on Crossrail and Bostons big dig.

Agreed. Although I remember someone rightly posting on this very forum back in 2010 when all the Dublin-interurban motorways were completed that Boards.ie would probably have the most impressive and comprehensive day by day progress/update archive of information concerning the construction of those motorways from inception/planning/tenders right through to ribbon cutting...and Boards still does fulfil that information role for the motorways now in construction or pipeline. That will certainly be a goldmine of information for Roads enthusiasts of the future to relish.:)

Mc Love

marno21 wrote: »

Adare is effectively a giant traffic calming measure that dramatically slows down the traffic going to NCW. NCW will be ridiculous when the M21 stops at Reens Pike in a few years time.

N21 Reens Pike - County Boundary should be going trough planning at the minute, but resources are being focused instead on the N5 Enda Expressway

Is the M21 on the cards?

Middle Man

mikeym wrote: »

The programme kind of went off in a tangent at parts.

Hasnt changed my opinion of Motorways and I am very much in favour of more being built.

For anyone that missed out its available on Sky catchup on the New RTE Player.

I've just seen the entire programme on RTE Player and for me, it bucked the typical trend of media bias against motorways and gave a fair and balanced account of what happened to communities. The recession also featured regarding what was to blame for the tough times certain towns and villages went through upon being bypassed. The programme surprisingly put the motorways in the same light as the railways in their time - progress is progress and times change, but change can be tough for some.

IMO, the motorways had to happen as much of the national road network was substandard and simply unacceptable - I remember the N7 in 2001 and was quite disgusted regarding the poor quality and inconsistency of the route, particularly from Kildare town to Roscrea. Glad that has changed - now for the N20! I for one would certainly not want to hand back our local motorway (M1) - the old N1 was totally unfit for purpose and was quickly becoming a linear graveyard - the quality of environment was also very poor.

Grandeeod

Middle Man wrote: »

I've just seen the entire programme on RTE Player and for me, it bucked the typical trend of media bias against motorways and gave a fair and balanced account of what happened to communities.

What media bias against motorways did it buck?? We are talking TV here.

As for a fair and balanced account of what happened to communities, you must be joking. There was nothing solid in it. As for that Chipper in Monasterevan, their story was a joke, an absolute opportunist joke. Further down the road, it got funnier and funnier. These towns were already dead. I was stunned that Matt the Thresher in Birdhill wasn't featured because that was a big stop off point.

Looked like a documentary made by the usual gang that never actually travelled along the old N7.