Resigned from job - what is considered a just cause for resigning?

doireann08

Hi everyone

Need a bit of help here. Have been working over the last 10 years and my last day in previous company was a few days ago.

Went in today to start the process for Unemployment Benefit. My appointment is next week. The lady said I qualified for UB as I have enough contributions but asked was I made redundant or did I resign. I said I resigned.
She have me a list of info I would need to bring and the form I would need to fill out. As I resigned , she said I would need to fill in the reasons why I resigned etc. She said they would review and I would be disqualified from JB if I resigned without just cause.

So here is the question. What do they consider just cause? They job was causing me a lot of stress and affecting my mental health - I am also concerned that they will contact my ex employer and start saying - Can you verify Doireann left because of stress etc etc etc.

Any help would be great

mp22

There is no defined list of reasons,every case is looked at on its own merit.

Speedwell

I think what you are describing might fall under "constructive dismissal", if the facts fit this description: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/constructive_dismissal.html

FloatingVoter

Worst that happens is a (maximum) 9 week disqualification. I wouldn't allege stress or bullying unless something approaching that actually happened.
Without knowing you, with a ten year work record there's a high chance you didn't quit because they asked you to do a bit of work.

livedadream

doireann08 wrote: »

Hi everyone

Need a bit of help here. Have been working over the last 10 years and my last day in previous company was a few days ago.

Went in today to start the process for Unemployment Benefit. My appointment is next week. The lady said I qualified for UB as I have enough contributions but asked was I made redundant or did I resign. I said I resigned.
She have me a list of info I would need to bring and the form I would need to fill out. As I resigned , she said I would need to fill in the reasons why I resigned etc. She said they would review and I would be disqualified from JB if I resigned without just cause.

So here is the question. What do they consider just cause? They job was causing me a lot of stress and affecting my mental health - I am also concerned that they will contact my ex employer and start saying - Can you verify Doireann left because of stress etc etc etc.

Any help would be great

youll be fine,

there may be a 9 week disqualification but they cant not give it to you at all forever like.

explain that you left because the position had become untenable. they may ask for permission to speak to your employer to ensure you did not get fired or made redundant but other than that i cant see any difficulty.

like a previous poster said with ten years its not like your work shy.

doireann08

Speedwell wrote: »

I think what you are describing might fall under "constructive dismissal", if the facts fit this description: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/constructive_dismissal.html

no it wasn't constructive dismissal - a lot of people resigned about 12 since jan, and its a small workplace. i don't want to damage the relationship with previous employer ,so if they do contact them to confirm that i resigned, im wondering what level of detail they will go into

livedadream

doireann08 wrote: »

no it wasn't constructive dismissal - a lot of people resigned about 12 since jan, and its a small workplace. i don't want to damage the relationship with previous employer ,so if they do contact them to confirm that i resigned, im wondering what level of detail they will go into

that depends on what level of detail you gave them when you resigned.

i dont know how it would effect the DSP but unless you set the place on fire and walked out shouting burn baby burn i dont think it would come in it.

try not to over think it. if they put it the nine weeks you can appeal.

porsche boy

Is it a posability that since so many people had left in a short time your workload became unmanageable and for reasons relating to mental health & work/life balance you felt it necessary to resign??

eastbono

A form will be sent out to your employer and one of the questions on it is why did the employee leave. Your employer shouldnt be informed of the reason you gave to the department.

doireann08

eastbono wrote: »

A form will be sent out to your employer and one of the questions on it is why did the employee leave. Your employer shouldnt be informed of the reason you gave to the department.

Thanks - I told the employer I wanted a change and a few weeks off . I told them as little as possible . I never said the word stress or anything as I need them for a reference .
I have to fill in a form for the department so if I say stress and so many people leaving because of horrible environment- my old employer is obviously not going to say that - will I get the 9 week penalty as our stories are different

livedadream

doireann08 wrote: »

Thanks - I told the employer I wanted a change and a few weeks off . I told them as little as possible . I never said the word stress or anything as I need them for a reference .
I have to fill in a form for the department so if I say stress and so many people leaving because of horrible environment- my old employer is obviously not going to say that - will I get the 9 week penalty as our stories are different

it all depends Doireann.

it sounds like your employer doesnt know you have actually left the job if you said you are only taking a few weeks off.

make sure they know you have handed in your notice.

doireann08

livedadream wrote: »

it all depends Doireann.

it sounds like your employer doesnt know you have actually left the job if you said you are only taking a few weeks off.

make sure they know you have handed in your notice.

sorry i should have been clearer, i resigned from my job, ex employer is crystal clear on this. I handed in my resignation letter etc etc. Had a leaving do so there is no dount that I have left. I just didn't see the benefit of stating the real reasons as to why I was leaving to ex employer. I did a tally and about 20 have left since Jan this year. Told them I needed a change, wanted some time off before working for another company.

livedadream

doireann08 wrote: »

Told them I needed a change, wanted some time off before working for another company.

if you told the DSP this then this may be why your claim was denied.

social welfare is not there to give you a break in between jobs,

its there to assist those who cannot support themselves while they are unemployed.

its possible that they see it as:

you choose to leave work, without having another job.

that your free will. but they dont have to pay you for the time.

and what you seem to be saying is

i want a bit of time before applying for another job.

when you apply for social welfare you sign a contact saying you are actively seeking work.


(i of course accept that you may have been miserable there and thats why you left but the DSP might not see it that way and issue the delay.)

eastbono

You may be asked by social welfare to expand on your reason for leaving when/if they receive the form back from your former employer. If you are given a disqualification period you can appeal this.