Gatso cameras and NCT

dublinjen

Hi guys,

Just wondering do hair dryer speed checkers also check for valid NCT? Fairly sure I got stung today on speed my NCT is 5 days out of date, failed 2 weeks ago and hadnt booked a retest yet. (double idiot)

Fred Swanson

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pippip

If it was a hair dryer style, speed gun in hand, then they have to stop you. If on tripod or speed van then it'll be in the post if you were speeding.

Fred Swanson

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dublinjen

pippip wrote: »

If it was a hair dryer style, speed gun in hand, then they have to stop you. If on tripod or speed van then it'll be in the post if you were speeding.

Ah i couldnt tell which it was TBH, I'd assume tripod since two of them were standing outside the car. My own fault on that just be extremely painful if I got NCT points for being 5 days over!

Thanks for the info!

D Trent

pippip wrote: »

If it was a hair dryer style, speed gun in hand, then they have to stop you. If on tripod or speed van then it'll be in the post if you were speeding.

are you sure about this

Can anyone elaborate re the tripod?

pippip

At op, I'm open to correction but I'm fairly sure IF you are done for speeding and nct, they can only give you the points for the higher points offense, not both. You would be fined for both. But as mention nct isn't detected on these.


Re the tripod, I'm only going by past accounts here. On tripod it's an actual camera so detailed, calibrated photo. Speed gun can't take photo.

dublinjen

pippip wrote: »

At op, I'm open to correction but I'm fairly sure IF you are done for speeding and nct, they can only give you the points for the higher points offense, not both. You would be fined for both. But as mention nct isn't detected on these.


Re the tripod, I'm only going by past accounts here. On tripod it's an actual camera so detailed, calibrated photo. Speed gun can't take photo.

Cool sure I learnt a good lesson regardless..

Could I be awful annoying and request a little more knowledge from you... I was behind a car doing about the same as me, how quickly can they test subsequent cars? and how long does the letter usually take?

Deiseland

Can you get penalty points for no tax? Thanks

Fred Swanson

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cursai

tripods dont take photos. theyre hairdryers on......tripods.

tomtucker81

cursai wrote: »

tripods dont take photos. theyre hairdryers on......tripods.

2nd this. They're a bigger hairdryer that can detect further away. But you will be stopped there and then by these if deemed necessary.

Are the tripods not used as part of a bigger jobbie?

ie; chap with a squad car hides behind bush with his tripod out, and there are three or four lads on bikes with him? For everyone he deteces a bike goes and issues the fine, then returns, rinse, repeat with a few bikes in motion nailing people left right and centre?

Although that said, i think the tripods are gone now anyway, no? Gardai wont stand at a checkpoint without blue lights on for health and safety. cant imagine they'd stand at the hard shoulder trying to 'hide' and risk being ploughed down by a speeding car, when they can just as easily sit in the car?

ironclaw

tomtucker81 wrote: »

2nd this. They're a bigger hairdryer that can detect further away. But you will be stopped there and then by these if deemed necessary.

There is only one Garda laser gun in operation, its called an Ultralyte 20-20. Made in the UK and looks like this:



It can be hand held or tri-pod mounted. Its favorable to rest it against something as it is actually quite heavy, hence why its mainly used in the car out a window, resting against a lamp post or steadied against a wall. It cannot, without additional hardware, take photos. The Garda, in normal operation with the Ultralyte, do not take photos. There are lasers systems in Ireland, similar to the Ultralyte, that can take photos but they are extremely, to the point I've only ever seen them in press photos, rare. If you meet one, smile, as its rarer than a Ferrari Enzo.

In short, if a Garda is undertaking a speed monitoring checkpoint, they'll stop you.

cursai

It's the......same hairdryer........on a tripod. A tripod gives stability.

tomtucker81

There are 2 different handhelds. The one you have a pic of is hand held, shoulder stock. Does not have adapter for tripod but can be rested on one.
The second is bigger, heavier, no shoulder stock. Is plugged into a battery the size of a brick. Has to be tripod mounted to operate properly. This can hit cars further than 1km away in ideal conditions.

But still as said, the garda will stop you regardless of which speed gun he is using

Pic of tripod mounted gun attached now. This is rarer now, but there are still some in use.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipjnjsfjuv9b43a/featured-speed-gun-speed-camera-cleveland-police-594893369.jpg?dl=0

endacl

Can a guard dry your hair if he's not wearing his hat?

ironclaw

tomtucker81 wrote: »

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipjnjsfjuv9b43a/featured-speed-gun-speed-camera-cleveland-police-594893369.jpg?dl=0

That's an Ultraltye 20-20. Its written on the side in red

Its been around yonks, and is configurable between shoulder and tripod. Its the same gun, just different mounts.

tomtucker81

ironclaw wrote: »

That's an Ultraltye 20-20. Its written on the side in red

Its been around yonks, and is configurable between shoulder and tripod. Its the same gun, just different mounts.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzvax4n0b8a2184/700.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1sz6e5sxcwj99rm/pastedimage-76765-752x501.png?dl=0

Have a look at them. They are different speed guns in use currently. Not the same.

ironclaw

tomtucker81 wrote: »

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzvax4n0b8a2184/700.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1sz6e5sxcwj99rm/pastedimage-76765-752x501.png?dl=0

Have a look at them. They are different speed guns in use currently. Not the same.

They are the same model, one is the newer model. They are both made by LI under the model line Ultralyte. They are both a 20-20. One of those images must be from the late 90s given the white/orange Dublin bus color scheme in effect. The image with epilette P-54 is the current gun, the one I posted. The tripod mounted gun, is the same gun in a different shell, and still doesn't take away from the fact that neither gun can capture an image.

Fred Swanson

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tomtucker81

ironclaw wrote: »

They are the same model, one is the newer model. They are both made by LI under the model line Ultralyte. They are both a 20-20. One of those images must be from the late 90s given the white/orange Dublin bus color scheme in effect. The image with epilette P-54 is the current gun, the one I posted. The tripod mounted gun, is the same gun in a different shell, and still doesn't take away from the fact that neither gun can capture an image.

To be clear for the OP, neither do take a picture. There is no such speed gun manually operated by a garda standing at the side of the road. If you see gardai doing a speed checkpoint, i.e. Standing at side of road holding speed gun, they have to stop you there to ascertain details.

The only non intercept devices are those in the private GoSafe vans and Garda Gatso vans. They measure speed and take picture of alleged offences and the ticket gets posted to owner of vehicle.
Also the larger of the guns, the tripod mounted one in the pics I supplied are way older. The smaller handheld ones are newer, however they are completely different in performance and operational uses.

ironclaw

tomtucker81 wrote: »

however they are completely different in performance and operational uses.

Can you expand on this? As from what I can see checking my manuals, they are the exact same. 905nm, 100pps nominal. The series was introduced in 1997 and there have only been minor changes since then mainly a gyro (For measuring the inline of the gun) and a slight increase output to further the range. Ultralyte also produced a cheaper, budget version.

The only difference I can see is the older one, which would tie nicely into the picture featuring the older Dublin bus, required an external battery pack (Makes sense given the huge advances in battery tech in the last 20 years) and the newer one is all self contained.

Unless you can indicate otherwise as to what the differences are, I fail to see how they are 'completely different in performance and operational uses'