UFC 200 Event Thread - Cormier v Jones 2

martyos121

Gamebred wrote: »

Speaking of muscle,Sage Northcutt!

He is clearly too ripped for mma there is a reason why nobody else looks like that in the ufc,its of no help.

Clearly it is if his arm is unbreakable! :pac:

JinkyJackson

Gamebred wrote:

Speaking of muscle,Sage Northcutt!

I can see why he gets the push, My missus watched all Friday and Saturdays cards, her first time watching it, and her favorite fighter is now Super Sage!

Can't explain why he's built like that tho, as you said, no other MMA fighter has his figure, like a bodybuilder or something.

Mellor

Gamebred wrote: »

Speaking of muscle,Sage Northcutt!

He is clearly too ripped for mma there is a reason why nobody else looks like that in the ufc,its of no help.

Plenty of fighters in the UFC carry more muscle than Sage. He isn't carrying an excessive amount really, how could he at LW.
He's 6 foot and walks around at maybe 80kg. That's not a lot of muscle in terms of effecting his cardio or movement.
You are confusing low body fat with high muscle mass.

He's carrying more muscle (and less fat) than a typical lightweight, sure. But an average middle weight is carrying a more muscle than him.

Gamebred

Mellor wrote: »

Plenty of fighters in the UFC carry more muscle than Sage. He isn't carrying an excessive amount really, how could he at LW.
He's 6 foot and walks around at maybe 80kg. That's not a lot of muscle in terms of effecting his cardio or movement.
You are confusing low body fat with high muscle mass.

He's carrying more muscle (and less fat) than a typical lightweight, sure. But an average middle weight is carrying a more muscle than him.

Yeah true his body fat must be very low percentage all year round,which takes serious diet and hard work in fairness to him,hes in body builder shape year round that cant be conducive to becoming a top fighter,while its better than being in Hendricks shape that shape hes in cant be nesscesary,as you say hes not got massive muscles but hes solid enough all that needs oxygen.

Gamebred

Have to say dont know if it was mentioned but that was a class moment between Aldo and Dede his coach after his win in the octagon.

Depp

Jones via Submission

poor chap probably doesnt know what a carb tastes like id say, love sage though the positivity he radiates is refreshing

Mellor

Gamebred wrote: »

Yeah true his body fat must be very low percentage all year round,which takes serious diet and hard work in fairness to him,hes in body builder shape year round that cant be conducive to becoming a top fighter,while its better than being in Hendricks shape that shape hes in cant be nesscesary,as you say hes not got massive muscles but hes solid enough all that needs oxygen.

He's definitely in bodybuilder single digit leanness territory all year round, but not BB size.
Muscle is muscle. Say he's 8%bf, he'd be carrying similar muscle as a soft WW at 15%bf, but less than any of the WW's in decent condition. If they can cope with the oxygen demands of their muscle, then so can he given he's been carrying it around for years now.

You are right about super leanness not being conducive to training/performance though. Even in pure strength/power sports like weightlifting, performance seams to be optimal around 10-12%. They are physically weaker when leaner than that, despite having more muscle mass for a given weight. That's weightlifters don't look like bodybuilders.
Recovery would also be impacted. I wouldn't be surprised if Sage's (or his Dad's) aversion to hard training is down to their super lean condition resulting in sub-par recovery.

I'm also assuming that the super lean condition is influenced by his dad's bodybuilder background.

Ush1

Prelims were great, found some of the main card fights a bit underwhelming.

Frankie is in a bad spot, Aldo didn't even look that fussed. Still reckon Conor beats Aldo again though.

Very impressed by Brock considering the opposition and time away. Pity about his age and other commitments.

Swashbuckler

callaway92 wrote:

Rory McDonald beat Nate Diaz and was seconds away from beating Carlos Condit when he was 20.

callaway92 wrote:

There is literally no progression from Sage's first fight to now.

I'm not saying he'll be a world champ or even reach Rorys level. Rory doing what he did at 20 is abnormal. I'm saying he has time to improve and could be a top 10 guy given time.

Depp

Jones via Submission

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I'm not saying he'll be a world champ or even reach Rorys level. Rory doing what he did at 20 is abnormal. I'm saying he has time to improve and could be a top 10 guy given time.

if he tells his auld lad to do one

Swashbuckler

Depp wrote:

if he tells his auld lad to do one

100%

Mellor

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I'm not saying he'll be a world champ or even reach Rorys level. Rory doing what he did at 20 is abnormal. I'm saying he has time to improve and could be a top 10 guy given time.

He absolutely could improve. If he just turns up and trains at Tristar, and listens to Firas everyday there's literal no way he won't get better.

But letting his bodybuilder dad run the show. It's not going to help.

Gamebred

Not that anybody said otherwise but Aldo confirmed himself as the best TD defence in mma the weekend again just incredible how he does it


https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752260424259735552




https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752255432060702720



https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752253954117992448

Swashbuckler

Mellor wrote:

But letting his bodybuilder dad run the show. It's not going to help.

Mellor wrote:

He absolutely could improve. If he just turns up and trains at Tristar, and listens to Firas everyday there's literal no way he won't get better.

Yeah I agree completely. Why you would pull a guy from a gym with the likes of GSP, Condit and Rory I'll never know. I like the kid to be honest. Bit of a "deer in headlights" look to him but seems like a likeable enough guy.

Cathy.C

Gamebred wrote: »

Aldo confirmed himself as the best TD defence in mma the weekend again just incredible how he does it

His TD punch to the head defence is not the best though.

Ush1

Gamebred wrote: »

Not that anybody said otherwise but Aldo confirmed himself as the best TD defence in mma the weekend again just incredible how he does it


https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752260424259735552




https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752255432060702720



https://twitter.com/GrabakaHitman/status/752253954117992448

Best move of all.

akelly02

Jones via KO/TKO

Cathy.C wrote: »

His TD punch to the head defence is not the best though.

just because you brown nose mcgregor doesnt mean you cant appreciate TDD his opponent

raze_them_all_

Cathy.C wrote: »

His TD punch to the head defence is not the best though.

And the 10 years before that one punch??



People are idiots because of a bad 13 seconds

Cathy.C

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

And the 10 years before that one punch??

People are idiots because of a bad 13 seconds

Ah, implying I'm an idiot, nice.

akelly02 wrote: »

just because you brown nose mcgregor doesnt mean you cant appreciate TDD his opponent

I don't brown nose McGregor, it's just that in a sea of hate someone not also having a go at him is seen that way by the naysayers. Which is a shame, as I don't see positive comments about any other fighter being met with anything near the same level of vitriol. Look at the immediate reaction saying the slightest negative thing about Aldo has received in comparison.

As for not appreciating Aldo's TD game: I used the word 'though' and so quite clearly I was agreeing that his TDD is otherwise excellent. Was exceptional against Edgar in fact. Just pointing out that in that one area he showed he has a weakness but sure he has lots of time to work on it before the now inevitable rematch.


Anyone know what the story is with Cormier's pay for 200? Dana says in the following clip (at the 2 minute mark) that he would make the same pay no matter who he went on to fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccF-fqIdH_8

But yet in this article they say Cormier only got half what he would have had he fought Jones.

evolving tipperary

Probably, due to Pay-per-view figures?
And, not being the headline fight?
I think he got 500,000...

Dana and Bros don't throw their money away! They're tight men!!!! Only just made a few billion!

Devastator

Sage's pay is a disgrace compared to some of the others

ASOT

Devastator wrote: »

Sage's pay is a disgrace compared to some of the others

TJ really missed the boat not negotiating a new deal after he won the title.

Devastator

ASOT wrote: »

TJ really missed the boat not negotiating a new deal after he won the title.

I woulda thought with Ludwig being his main trainer he would have dropped him a few hints on how to maximize income

John_D80

Jones via KO/TKO

ASOT wrote: »

TJ really missed the boat not negotiating a new deal after he won the title.

Is there a reason why he didn't?

IdoPortal

UFC 200 was a very interesting spectacle and was eye opening for anyone interested in the realms of animalistic movement. Brock Lesnar channelled his inner beast and you could see from how he carried himself that he was in full animalistic mode. His spine curvature throughout the fight resembled that of a Gorilla who is about to attack its challengers. I was overwhelmed by the display and shed a few tears at the unnerving beauty of seeing a humanoid mirror the king of the jungle so fittingly. Lesnar was a gorilla in the upper torso and a ballerina in the lower torso. He bounced on his feet in a manner that any Russian ballet dancer would have been proud of and towards the end of the fight I couldn't help but do a twirl in my eco-friendly living space such was the emotion that overpowered me.

jcd5971

Would he not be still on the tuf contract?

They are notoriously badly paid and long duration. apparently one of the reasons joanna champion skipped going on it herself.

akelly02

Jones via KO/TKO

Cathy.C wrote: »

Ah, implying I'm an idiot, nice.



I don't brown nose McGregor, it's just that in a sea of hate someone not also having a go at him is seen that way by the naysayers. Which is a shame, as I don't see positive comments about any other fighter being met with anything near the same level of vitriol. Look at the immediate reaction saying the slightest negative thing about Aldo has received in comparison.

As for not appreciating Aldo's TD game: I used the word 'though' and so quite clearly I was agreeing that his TDD is otherwise excellent. Was exceptional against Edgar in fact. Just pointing out that in that one area he showed he has a weakness but sure he has lots of time to work on it before the now inevitable rematch.


Anyone know what the story is with Cormier's pay for 200? Dana says in the following clip (at the 2 minute mark) that he would make the same pay no matter who he went on to fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccF-fqIdH_8

But yet in this article they say Cormier only got half what he would have had he fought Jones.

Im not a naysayer by any means, I like to call things as they are and if McGregor acts like a dick ill say it, whereas if he murdered 50 people like likes of you would still defend him.

ASOT

John_D80 wrote: »

Is there a reason why he didn't?

Looks like it was done on a rolling basis as champion, he was 50/50 for the Soto fight, 60/60 for Barao 2 & 70/70 for the Cruz fight, doesnt seem like smart negotiating to be honest considering he demolished Barao twice, now hes back on breadline money.

akelly02

Jones via KO/TKO

IdoPortal wrote: »

UFC 200 was a very interesting spectacle and was eye opening for anyone interested in the realms of animalistic movement. Brock Lesnar channelled his inner beast and you could see from how he carried himself that he was in full animalistic mode. His spine curvature throughout the fight resembled that of a Gorilla who is about to attack its challengers. I was overwhelmed by the display and shed a few tears at the unnerving beauty of seeing a humanoid mirror the king of the jungle so fittingly. Lesnar was a gorilla in the upper torso and a ballerina in the lower torso. He bounced on his feet in a manner that any Russian ballet dancer would have been proud of and towards the end of the fight I couldn't help but do a twirl in my eco-friendly living space such was the emotion that overpowered me.

Any pool noodles for sale?

Zero-Cool

Disgusting seeing Joe Lauzon on such a low contract beside Sage. Daaaaam TJ get some negotiating skills! Anyone know Hunts last pay? Nice bit of cash for him!