BT seeks functional ‘break up’ of Eir

Impetus

Functional separation of Eir will not fix Eir’s broadband infrastructure issues. Even if you had Eir Wholesale and Eir Retail, both separate publicly listed corporations with a diverse shareholder base.

Eir is a copper based company, which is the limiting factor. Making it easier for BT and others to connect over Eir’s coper pipe, and pretend it is BT, or whoever, (an illusion of competition) which makes not one iota of difference to internet performance for the customer. They are all playing with the same obsolete hardware platform. The same laws of physics apply.

Eir installing FTTP to a handful of houses in Ballyx as a PR stunt is nothing short of media fraud. As is Eir's (and UPC/VM's + others) use of 'fibre' to advertise a service that delivers copper to the customer (a chain is as strong as its weakest link). Copper fraud!

Eir must cut its love of copper if it wishes to remain relevant in the 21st century. Ditto for Ireland if it is intent on making the country world class in broadband terms, the only solution is open fiber. ie a single fiber pipe, open to all service providers and all customers. Fiber can be installed using conventional telegraph poles, twisted around Electricity distribution cables, and fiber can provides limitless capacity, the speed of which can be scaled to meet every need from that of a 90 year old person, who just wants a landline in their home, to an office that needs multiple 10 GB/sec symmetric bandwidth.

Fibre is low maintenance, and delivers low cost connectivity to urban and the most rural location. The traditional copper cables can be removed after installing fiber, and sold in the metals market. Telephone exchanges can be closed. Buildings sold.

Please BT, stop trying to enforce British half-baked telecommunications standards on Ireland. Your country has sent a letter of resignation to the EU – of which our country is a part. You have no more right to dictate telecommunications policy to Ireland than a telco based on Mars or Pluto.

Meanwhile Ireland has allowed Eir and predecessors to be run by asset stripping hedge funds who invest little in the technology platform. Maybe eir and BT should be asked to leave, because they are hindering the development of a competitive market that can meet the needs of the 21st century. Eir because it has failed to update infrastructure both in urban and rural areas, and BT because it is no longer an EU/EEA company. Not to mention the mass snooping risk that customers of a British or American company expose themselves of from their so called 'intelligence agencies'. BT and many of its 'competitors can’t see further than getting cheaper access to Eir’s century old copper technology.

No better than Rupert Murdoch’s Sky – a group that is now trying to take over UTV presumably to spread the same nasty anti-European rhetoric as their media properties squirted over GB in print etc, coming up to the recent referendum in that country?

Telcos that run both copper and fiber are running two systems that cost twice as much to install and maintain...... and on the maintenance front copper is a lot more expensive to maintain and protect from weather damage than fiber.

http://www.independent.ie/business/media/bt-boss-calls-for-the-functional-breakup-of-eir-34844237.html

ED E

I'm surprised you manage to even login to your device some days...

BT openreach are still pushing GFast. Eir said ****it lads we're all in for GPON. Lose then uninformed crusade.

Whether its copper or glass theres still a monopoly. Everyone this side of the globe use shared access so it cannot be physically unbundled. Talking out your proverbial...

Impetus

ED E wrote: »

I'm surprised you manage to even login to your device some days...

BT openreach are still pushing GFast. Eir said ****it lads we're all in for GPON. Lose then uninformed crusade.

Whether its copper or glass theres still a monopoly. Everyone this side of the globe use shared access so it cannot be physically unbundled. Talking out your proverbial...

You are living in the dark ages.....

On a new network based on fibre, with a box in each house/office etc, using a standardized card system, the service provider issues you with the equivalent of a SIM card, which causes your box to log into their system and avail of their internet, TV, security service, phone, mobile/Wifi phone, whatever other service they dream up. This is no different to changing the SIM on your phone if you are not satisfied with the mobile network. (Admittedly a not easy feat in anti-competitive, over-priced, monopolistic Ireland where mobile phone vendors are allowed to lock phones to an individual network.)

You need fiber, and open competition using the shared high bandwidth platform (ie smart card based access to a range of service providers). Otherwise you don't have a competitive market. Call the card based box next gen unbundling. In that way you get competition without multiplication of networks. Multiple cases of digging up streets, extra cables running here, there and everywhere etc.

If Fiat or BMW bring out a new car, the local authority does not have to build a new road just to accommodate that brand of car. This allows us to have a wide choice of cars to meet every requirement using the same streets/roads/motorways. If PowergenX want to deliver electricity to your house, they don't have to run new cables to your home. But if the roads were potholed, with no tar, ie dirt roads, they would be painful in your Fiat and expensive to use (as well as painful) in your Porsche etc.

tsue921i8wljb3

Impetus you are an interesting character. What brings you to Ireland and keeps you here seeing as you clearly hate the place so much?

Impetus

Yousef Stale Roast wrote: »

Impetus you are an interesting character. What brings you to Ireland and keeps you here seeing as you clearly hate the place so much?

I come there every month or so to cut the grass in my parent's home. I have no hatred of Ireland. I mightn't like the government from time to time, the wet weather, cloudy climate or the low quality food/service in restaurants. Or the prices these parties charge for poor quality "services". Or the traffic chaos created by poorly manged traffic light systems.

Aside from that......

Why do you ask?

gordongekko

Impetus wrote: »

I come there every month or so to cut the grass in my parent's home. I have no hatred of Ireland. I mightn't like the government from time to time, the wet weather, cloudy climate or the low quality food/service in restaurants. Or the prices these parties charge for poor quality "services". Or the traffic chaos created by poorly manged traffic light systems.

Aside from that......

Why do you ask?

Just pay a lad to cut your grass if ireland annoys you so much.

tsue921i8wljb3

Impetus wrote: »

I come there every month or so to cut the grass in my parent's home. I have no hatred of Ireland. I mightn't like the government from time to time, the wet weather, cloudy climate or the low quality food/service in restaurants. Or the prices these parties charge for poor quality "services". Or the traffic chaos created by poorly manged traffic light systems.

Aside from that......

Why do you ask?

No particular reason. I just had noticed several posts of yours especially here in the Broadband forum that seemed very critical of the Irish way of doing things. I had actually thought that you may have been sent here for work.

Impetus

gordongekko wrote: »

Just pay a lad to cut your grass if ireland annoys you so much.

I actually do pay somebody to do gardening.... but he needs to be supervised. It is not just cutting grass..... buying plants, bedding them. While this might sound boring, I live in a skyscraper overlooking water. The fields are brown from sunshine in the area. 24 elevators and waiting to get to the a high level floor can get boring after a while, aside from the spectacular view when you do get up there. An Irish garden/house is a contrast. But the fiber is good in the skyscraper, unlike your Irish home. Anyway we are digressing off-topic.

I can't pay for FTTH in Ireland because the service does not exist in about 99% of homes etc. Unless one is talking about serious money that 99.999999% of households can't afford, due to bad telecommunications planning, incompetent Comreg, and incompetent successive governments, who have allowed the Eir / UPC / VM monopoly for take root, to go back to the gardening analogy.

Impetus

Yousef Stale Roast wrote: »

No particular reason. I just had noticed several posts of yours especially here in the Broadband forum that seemed very critical of the Irish way of doing things. I had actually thought that you may have been sent here for work.

I don't work in the telecommunications industry. I don't live in Ireland. And I don't get sent to work, somewhere...... or anywhere.

My criticism of broadband is based on wasted investment. When the digital telephone exchange was developed in the 1970s, the Irish government continued to invest in old fashioned electro-mechanical crossbar exchanges. Heavy maintenance. Wait for a year or two for service. High cost. Lousy service.

A decade later, they flirted with a few digital exchanges. And woke up to the fact that it was the way to go. Meanwhile zillions were wasted on installing old technology. A phone call from Cork to Dublin was nearly a pound a minute - ie about four EUR a minute in current value terms. On a landline.

Similar issues apply when it comes to moving to current technology. The words 'dozy' and 'Ireland' come to mind.

tsue921i8wljb3

Impetus wrote: »

I don't work in the telecommunications industry. I don't live in Ireland. And I don't get sent to work, somewhere...... or anywhere.

My humblest apologies if I offended you Sir.

Impetus

Yousef Stale Roast wrote: »

My humblest apologies if I offended you Sir.

Keine Notwendigkeit für Ihre gefälschte Entschuldigung......

Kristopherus

Impetus wrote: »

Keine Notwendigkeit für Ihre gefälschte Entschuldigung......

Ni raibh se ag magadh:D:D:D

Impetus

Kristopherus wrote: »

Ni raibh se ag magadh:D:D:D

I didn't think or say you were joking. I said you were faking an 'apology'. Just like one of the many people motivated to criticise anybody who proposes improvement that one comes across on boards.ie. People who want to maintain the status quo of over-priced and under delivery of products and services. An un-natural creature - be they on two or four legs.......

It seems to me that you are more likely to be paid by the supply rather than the demand side of the equation.

moc moc a moc

Impetus wrote: »

It seems to me that you are more likely to be paid by the supply rather than the demand side of the equation.

Now you're just acting like a child.

ItHurtsWhenIP

pegasus1

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