New car, anything you like as long as it's diesel

cml387

Mrs CML is shopping for a new car. She has a bad back and likes the higher driving position in a mini mpv. Juke, Renault Captur, Ford Ecosport for example.

No problem say the sales guys, what colour.

Colour given, wife says..."and it has to be petrol".

Salesman face falls."Can't be done" "No such thing in Ireland"

"But I do low mileage, don't want diesel" says she.

It is not possible to get a Reanult Captur petrol in Ireland. Nor a Nissan Juke. Or it seems to me any petrol engined car.

Is this what we've become?

Rant over..

bmwguy

cml387 wrote: »

Mrs CML is shopping for a new car. She has a bad back and likes the higher driving position in a mini mpv. Juke, Renault Captur, Ford Ecosport for example.

No problem say the sales guys, what colour.

Colour given, wife says..."and it has to be petrol".

Salesman face falls."Can't be done" "No such thing in Ireland"

"But I do low mileage, don't want diesel" says she.

It is not possible to get a Reanult Captur petrol in Ireland. Nor a Nissan Juke. Or it seems to me any petrol engined car.

Is this what we've become?

Rant over..

Look in northern Ireland. Possibly good value at this point in time. Or at the very least another dealer. They are certainly being manufactured the salesman might just want to clear stock.

whippet

it's the very same in my house. My missus does very little mileage and wants something like the new VW Tiguan .. loves everything about the car except that the only options are in diesel.

alias no.9

Are we talking brand new here, if so, then you should be able to get a 1.2 or 1.6 Juke, both priced below the 1.5dci.

The Captur should be available with the same 1.2 petrol as well as a 900cc turbo

If it's a second hand motor you're looking for, maybe keep an eye out for some fresh ex rental stuff (Jukes in particular should be available from rental fleets) at the end of the summer but have it checked over thoroughly by a mechanic

bazz26

Nissan Juke is available in 1.2 litre and 1.6 litre petrol:

http://www.nissan.ie/vehicle/juke/pricing

Try a different dealer, some dealers are lazy or uninterested and only want to sell what stock is readily available to them rather than deal with a special order.

Beta Ray Bill

cml387 wrote: »

Mrs CML is shopping for a new car. She has a bad back and likes the higher driving position in a mini mpv. Juke, Renault Captur, Ford Ecosport for example.

No problem say the sales guys, what colour.

Colour given, wife says..."and it has to be petrol".

Salesman face falls."Can't be done" "No such thing in Ireland"

"But I do low mileage, don't want diesel" says she.

It is not possible to get a Reanult Captur petrol in Ireland. Nor a Nissan Juke. Or it seems to me any petrol engined car.

Is this what we've become?

Rant over..

I'm actually shocked to read your post OP

Diesel all the way by the sounds of it according to that sales man!!!

I was so surprised I actually went on to:
www.volkswagen.ie
www.nissan.ie
www.renault.ie
www.ford.ie
to verify it

Here's what I found:

The VW Tiguan (Trendline) is available in Ireland (according to the website above) with the following petrol engines:
1.4 TSI BlueMotion Technology Petrol Engine

The Nissan Juke is available in Ireland (according to the website above) with the following petrol engines:
JUKE 1.2 PET DIG-T
JUKE 1.6 PET
JUKE 1.6 PET CVT
JUKE NISMO RS 1.6 PET DIG-T
JUKE NISMO RS 1.6 PET DIG-T 4X4 CVT

The Renault Captur is available in Ireland (according to the website above) with the following petrol engines:
"The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later." <= P.O.S website!

The Ford EcoSport is available in Ireland (according to the website above) with the following petrol engines:
1.5 Petrol 110PS Powershift
1.0l EcoBoost 125PS M5

Sales guys CLEARLY have stock that they need moved.
I'd mention to him that it says on the website that you offer these spec engines and if he still says no then report him to Ford, Renault, VW, Nissan, etc

Because that it TOTAL BULLSH*T!
F***ing chancers!, They'll try anything!
This is the reason I HATE buying a vehicle in Ireland, you're up against this kind of crap all the time!

Regards
G.

R.O.R

whippet wrote: »

it's the very same in my house. My missus does very little mileage and wants something like the new VW Tiguan .. loves everything about the car except that the only options are in diesel.

Something like a Tiguan in Petrol (that's not a base model), then the SEAT Ateca fits the bill nicely (it's a Tiguan in a Spanish Frock).

Base version is getting the 1.0Tsi, but the SE can be got with the 1.4Tsi 150ps ACT engine, for a reasonable price.

whippet

R.O.R wrote: »

Something like a Tiguan in Petrol (that's not a base model), then the SEAT Ateca fits the bill nicely (it's a Tiguan in a Spanish Frock).

Base version is getting the 1.0Tsi, but the SE can be got with the 1.4Tsi 150ps ACT engine, for a reasonable price.

interesting .. as all the bumf and talk that she has had from two VW dealers points only to the 2L TDI engine.

I might hold my council on this one as I have been working on her to believe that she wants the Golf GTI as its petrol and bags of fun .. we had a MKV GTI and sorely miss it.

I can keep the oil burner as my work horse (currently on 250k kms and going strong) and she can have the GTI as a runabout and a bit of weekend fun for me

cml387

There's a big difference between being available ex stock and available on order with a twelve to sixteen week lead time.
She has no car at the moment and needs one so a wait like that is not acceptable.

And to Grahambo's point, yes I've told her to get on to Renault and tell them to get a car in from the UK if required.

Marcusm

whippet wrote: »

interesting .. as all the bumf and talk that she has had from two VW dealers points only to the 2L TDI engine.

I might hold my council on this one as I have been working on her to believe that she wants the Golf GTI as its petrol and bags of fun .. we had a MKV GTI and sorely miss it.

I can keep the oil burner as my work horse (currently on 250k kms and going strong) and she can have the GTI as a runabout and a bit of weekend fun for me

Post of the year candidate.

R.O.R

cml387 wrote: »

There's a big difference between being available ex stock and available on order with a twelve to sixteen week lead time.
She has no car at the moment and needs one so a wait like that is not acceptable.

Do you think dealers/manufacturers should bring in petrol models for stock, just in case the 1 person in 1,000 (like your wife) turns up wanting something ASAP? That isn't really practical and it's not their fault you aren't in a position to wait on a factory order.

cml387 wrote: »

And to Grahambo's point, yes I've told her to get on to Renault and tell them to get a car in from the UK if required.

It doesn't work like that. By all means import one yourself, but a dealer can't just pick up a vehicle from UK stock and register it here.

whippet

cml387 wrote: »

There's a big difference between being available ex stock and available on order with a twelve to sixteen week lead time.
She has no car at the moment and needs one so a wait like that is not acceptable.

And to Grahambo's point, yes I've told her to get on to Renault and tell them to get a car in from the UK if required.

we have only ever bought new cars and always on a 12-16 week wait (24 weeks for the MKV GTI back in 2007) so that isn't a problem. I might have to be there when she orders her new car as I don't want her getting ideas!!

cml387

R.O.R wrote: »

Do you think dealers/manufacturers should bring in petrol models for stock, just in case the 1 person in 1,000 (like your wife) turns up wanting something ASAP? That isn't really practical and it's not their fault you aren't in a position to wait on a factory order.



It doesn't work like that. By all means import one yourself, but a dealer can't just pick up a vehicle from UK stock and register it here.

I can see your point, but it seems remarkable how petrol cars now seem rarer than hen's teeth:)

Del2005

cml387 wrote: »

There's a big difference between being available ex stock and available on order with a twelve to sixteen week lead time.
She has no car at the moment and needs one so a wait like that is not acceptable.

Toyota have Hybrids plenty of petrol choices.

R.O.R

cml387 wrote: »

I can see your point, but it seems remarkable how petrol cars now seem rarer than hen's teeth:)

Very few people buying them new, especially in SUV type vehicles, so no point dealers stocking them for them to just sit around costing money.

whippet wrote: »

I might hold my council on this one as I have been working on her to believe that she wants the Golf GTI as its petrol and bags of fun .. we had a MKV GTI and sorely miss it.

I can keep the oil burner as my work horse (currently on 250k kms and going strong) and she can have the GTI as a runabout and a bit of weekend fun for me

Seems to be some confusion whether the GTI is actually available. I was sent a VW dealer communication to say it's no longer being sold in Ireland, but it's still coming through on the price file when other cars on the communication have gone.

If what I saw is right, the GTI Clubsport is your only option, and it's about €400 cheaper than the R, so you may as well go for the 4WD with 35 more horses for that difference.

Just got a new Golf Highline 1.4Tsi DSG in and I wouldn't be upset with one of those. Obviously not a patch on the GTi, but 150ps with the DSG box should be more than adequate. Now has full leather and 18" Alloys as part of the 162 Innovation Pack, along with nav, auto cruise control, rear camera, keyless entry and a few other nice bits and pieces.

Beta Ray Bill

R.O.R wrote: »

Very few people buying them new, especially in SUV type vehicles, so no point dealers stocking them for them to just sit around costing money.

That will change soon though as they are somehow managing to get CO2 emissions down on Petrol Cars.

Petrol cars are cheaper and now cleaner*

I know petrol costs a bit more than diesel but they are getting more and more economical all the time. Tax on the oul Lads new Merc has a 207bhp petrol engine and it's about €270 a year to Tax (Band B1)

So they are improving.
But on the flip side though it's a high end Merc and isnt cheap
It will take a long time for the technology to make it way into the regular car market.

ba_barabus

Op I can happily recommend the Skoda Yeti 1.2TSI available as either a manual or auto both of which are excellent. Driving position is superb, quality is good and they're available to drive away or order if you want something specific. My mother is on her second and I spend a lot of time driving it and find it very acceptable.

Other petrol SUVS available in dealerships are the Vitara and mitsubishi ASX both in 1.6l petrol

JamesM

The Golf SV is larger than the standard Golf and has a higher driving position and lots of extras. http://ext.volkswagen.ie/en/golf-sv.html

R.O.R

grahambo wrote: »

That will change soon though as they are somehow managing to get CO2 emissions down on Petrol Cars.

Petrol cars are cheaper and now cleaner*

By cleaner, you mean they emit more cancer causing fine particulate matter than new diesels?

Unless the government change the ruling on fuel VAT reclaim, it's going to be a while before I see a meaningful amount of petrol or petrol hybrid through these doors. Currently around 40c per litre difference in cost to a business between petrol & diesel - couple that with the worse fuel consumption and it makes a big difference at high mileage

Beta Ray Bill

R.O.R wrote: »

By cleaner, you mean they emit more cancer causing fine particulate matter than new diesels?

Unless the government change the ruling on fuel VAT reclaim, it's going to be a while before I see a meaningful amount of petrol or petrol hybrid through these doors. Currently around 40c per litre difference in cost to a business between petrol & diesel - couple that with the worse fuel consumption and it makes a big difference at high mileage

That's what the * was for

My understanding is so long as your combusting fossil fuel you'll always get:
carbon dioxide
nitrogen oxides
carbon monoxide
particulate matter (soot)
hydrocarbons
sulphur dioxide

It's just the ratios change based on what type of emission control devices are in place on the cars.
At the moment we're only looking at CO2 so Low CO2 means higher everything else right?

R.O.R

grahambo wrote: »

At the moment we're only looking at CO2 so Low CO2 means higher everything else right?

EU6 emissions controls made no change to the Co2 targets in comparison to EU5 regulations, so that's no longer the biggest area of focus.

NOx emissions were cut from 0.180g/km in EU5 to 0.080g/km for EU6.

Beta Ray Bill

R.O.R wrote: »

EU6 emissions controls made no change to the Co2 targets in comparison to EU5 regulations, so that's no longer the biggest area of focus.

NOx emissions were cut from 0.180g/km in EU5 to 0.080g/km for EU6.

Yeah and the emissions regulation coming in, in 2020 are even more restrictive.
So that effectively means lowering CO2 at the expense of other Exhaust gases increasing, is now no longer a workable option

Some motorcycles (V2's in particular) now can't get past the emissions tests.
They are having to reduce the power they make to be within the limit.

The new ZX10R has 3 Catalytic Converters.

So effectively the only way to get cars past emission test is to:
1) Reduce their power
2) Add more catalytic converters (Or other emission control devices)
3) Make them even more economical (Hybrid tech falls in here me thinks)

I think we'll see a combo of all 3 after 2020.

xabi

Loads of new petrol Qashqai floating around last year when my wife was looking for one.

waraf

If your wife is only doing low mileage OP she should consider an electric car. Something like a Nissan Leaf maybe. Admittedly it's not a very pretty car but by God they're cheap to run.

Beta Ray Bill

waraf wrote: »

Admittedly it's not a very pretty car

Understatement of the year!!

Those cars are spetic mingpots!
Horrendous loooking things!
Why to manufactures go out of their way to make them so disgusting looking!?

waraf

grahambo wrote: »

Understatement of the year!!

Those cars are spetic mingpots!
Horrendous loooking things!
Why to manufactures go out of their way to make them so disgusting looking!?

To reduce the risk of theft??

Beta Ray Bill

waraf wrote: »

To reduce the risk of theft??

That's got to be the reason
:eek:

grogi

grahambo wrote: »

That will change soon though as they are somehow managing to get CO2 emissions down on Petrol Cars.

Petrol cars are cheaper and now cleaner*

I know petrol costs a bit more than diesel but they are getting more and more economical all the time. Tax on the oul Lads new Merc has a 207bhp petrol engine and it's about €270 a year to Tax (Band B1)

So they are improving.
But on the flip side though it's a high end Merc and isnt cheap
It will take a long time for the technology to make it way into the regular car market.

Not only in the most expensive cars anymore. VAG with the 1.4TSI ACT (119g/km in a Passat Estate!!) and PSA with PureTech (115g/km in a Grand PIcasso!!) are really pushing it.

And I am really glad

JoyPad

whippet wrote: »

interesting .. as all the bumf and talk that she has had from two VW dealers points only to the 2L TDI engine.

As far as I was told by my VW dealer, only the 2L TDI engine will be available in Ireland. We're only halfway through our PCP (151 car), so I wasn't actually pressed to get more details, but I did ask when I saw the petrol engine in the brochure. He said that petrol will definitely be not available.

Maybe if you actually order, you might get a different answer, who knows...

RedorDead

cml387 wrote: »

Mrs CML is shopping for a new car. She has a bad back and likes the higher driving position in a mini mpv. Juke, Renault Captur, Ford Ecosport for example.

No problem say the sales guys, what colour.

Colour given, wife says..."and it has to be petrol".

Salesman face falls."Can't be done" "No such thing in Ireland"

"But I do low mileage, don't want diesel" says she.

It is not possible to get a Reanult Captur petrol in Ireland. Nor a Nissan Juke. Or it seems to me any petrol engined car.

Is this what we've become?

Rant over..

Not sure if its in your price bracket given what you are shopping but i know for a fact there are some Audi Q3 1.4TFSI 150 models available ex stock at the moment. PM me if you need more deets.

pred racer

grogi wrote: »

Not only in the most expensive cars anymore. VAG with the 1.4TSI ACT (119g/km in a Passat Estate!!) and PSA with PureTech (115g/km in a Grand PIcasso!!) are really pushing it.

And I am really glad

God knows Vag wouldn't lie to us about emissions

R.O.R

JoyPad wrote: »

As far as I was told by my VW dealer, only the 2L TDI engine will be available in Ireland. We're only halfway through our PCP (151 car), so I wasn't actually pressed to get more details, but I did ask when I saw the petrol engine in the brochure. He said that petrol will definitely be not available.

Maybe if you actually order, you might get a different answer, who knows...

I've pricing coming through for a Tiguan 1.4Tsi 125bhp Trendline - €29,720 ex. Works and it's on the May product guide I have for the Tiguan (model code AD 12HX), so it should be available to order.

Almost €2,000 less will get you a higher spec 150ps version of the Ateca, but you'd probably lose out come resale time by a bigger margin than €2,000 between the 2.