Work for the summer

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Winterlong

Generation Snowflake does not work on the building sites in london!

ohnonotgmail

well if you let your parents make your decisions for you then perhaps you are too young.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well if you let your parents make your decisions for you then perhaps you are too young.

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

The Backwards Man

When I was a wain, we could sew buttons on our shirts, darn our socks, pluck and clean out a duck for the dinner, make tae in a saucepan, make rhubarb jam, whitewash a barn, all before we were 14.

Young wans today are too young to go away, because they know fcuk all.

ohnonotgmail

mariaalice wrote: »

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

and that is my point. the opinions of their parents should not be paramount. parents have always worried about their kids.

biko

Can you apply from here? If your parents know you have a job lined up they won't get so worried.

HensVassal

I went to work in New York for the summer when I was 17

beach_walker

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

biko

biko wrote: »

Can you apply from here? If your parents know you have a job lined up they won't get so worried.

That sums it up exactly the expectation that every thing can be sorted before you do anything, sometimes you have to wing it and you might fall flat on your face or you might have a great time, but you will never know until you try.

HensVassal

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

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Badly Drunk Boy

Winterlong wrote: »

Generation Snowflake does not work on the building sites in london!

Back then, snowflakes were made of reinforced concrete!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mariaalice wrote: »

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

At 18, parents are there to advise, not make decisions.

You said the responce from a parent was "18 is too young" - are they talking about a specific 18-year-old or 18-year-olds in general? If the former, we can't really advise without knowing the 18yo. If the later, it's very narrow-minded thinking. Plenty of 18 year olds in all generations have done it, are doing and will continue to do it in the future.

At 18, a person is legally an adult and some parents need to cop on and realise that their authority has ended.

PARlance

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Thousands upon thousands of our youngsters are half way across the world and rather than robbing them of their confidence, technology is helping make that distance seem smaller. So no issue with our youth's willingness to travel.

The nature of employment has changed in the last 30-40 years in that there's a lot less casual work on offer and more red tape around that limited summer work in your example.

Cool story about the tent. Plenty people doing that in Europe at present. They're less "Irish Mammies Boy" and more "Refugee of some sort" though.

Life is harder in someway for younger people today, however it is the passivity of an 18 year old with no job hanging around dependent on a parent, college might not start till late September or October. That they could lack the confidence and skills to get a tent and a ruck sack and just go and see what would happen, as I said it could be a complete disaster or great experience much more likely to be a great experience.

Or maybe I have got this all wrong in someway.

PARlance

PARlance wrote: »

Thousands upon thousands of our youngsters are half way across the world and rather than robbing them of their confidence, technology is helping make that distance seem smaller. So no issue with our youth's willingness to travel.

The nature of employment has changed in the last 30-40 years in that there's a lot less casual work on offer and more red tape around that limited summer work in your example.

Cool story about the tent. Plenty people doing that in Europe at present. They're less "Irish Mammies Boy" and more "Refugee of some sort" though.

I think you are missing my point I am not talking about a JI. I was talking about an 18 year old who has just done the leaving and has no job.

ectoraige

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

Bigger fool the Mam who didn't just hand them the washing machine manual first time they arrived back through the door.

Lollipops23

London is bloody expensive. Most 18 year olds I've met wouldn't survive it.

If they can fund it and won't need to fall back on Mammy and Daddy for a bailout, then more power to them.

not yet

HensVassal wrote: »

I went to work in New York for the summer when I was 17

Did you have an uncle Benjy in the cops over there..

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

not yet

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

And lucky to get a bowl of stir about for dinner..

Lia_lia

I always found it very easy to find jobs in my town at that age. For some reason none of my friends could find jobs ever. Don't think they looked hard enough. Or wanted to take dreaded 70hr week hotel work!

Anyway at 18 I can't see why you wouldn't go away to work for a summer. I would have done if I couldn't find a job, would crack up doing nothing all summer. My parents couldn't care less, 18 is not the same as 15! They had both moved out of home by the age of 16 anyway.

Joe_ Public

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Thalkirchen camp site was the place to go in Munich if you wanted cheap accomodation. And in fact if you wanted even cheaper (ie free) you just went to the haupbanhof, plonked your sleeping bag down on the ground and slept. Station was lovely and warm, the only downside being the local polizei who came and rousted you out at 6 in the mornings!

Akrasia

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

This starts in college. Mammies telling their kids to come home every week, getting all their clothes cleaned and a bag full of food for the next week

When I went to college, I only came home once a month and that was just to be polite

Kids should be proud to grow up and parents should realise that their role is to prepare their kids for independent life.

Jawgap

As an 18 year old I spent a long summer working as a casual labourer in London - hand digging trenches in the City for the fibre optic network. Hard work, but loved it and loved the money and the beer!!

Honestly, if my now 18 year old son came to me and said he wanted to do the same thing, I'd probably roll on the floor laughing!!!

LexieOnRale

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. I get that, however I was trying to conceptualise how things can change so much in one generation its possible that we are a now a more wealthy society and that is the answer.e

out of curiosity I look up seasonal work in the UK and came across one theme park hotel group that said priority will be give to applicants who fill in the application form correctly !!!!

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

As an 18 year old I spent a long summer working as a casual labourer in London - hand digging trenches in the City for the fibre optic network. Hard work, but loved it and loved the money and the beer!!

Honestly, if my now 18 year old son came to me and said he wanted to do the same thing, I'd probably roll on the floor laughing!!!

We are old fogies though:p

HensVassal

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Plenty of people who work in bars in Amsterdam live on the campsite for the summer and then move on to GOA or Thailand in autumn.

HensVassal

not yet wrote: »

Did you have an uncle Benjy in the cops over there..

haha no,

But I did have a cousin Mike in the NYPD.

westcoast66

I went to Germany one summer when I was a 18 year old student - over 20 years ago now. No Job, no accommodation, it all worked out fine and I had a great time.

A friend of mine has a son who has just gone to NY on a J1. She arranged a job for him and is on the internet every night sorting out accommodation, funds, etc. Lunatics. My own ma did not hear from me for 2 months after I left!

razorblunt

I don't know about that Edinburgh is packed with Irish kids every summer working in the bars and all that. I'd say they'd go to the States sooner if it weren't for the 21 drinking rule too.

beach_walker

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

Nothing wrong with it really :pac:, sure I'm in my early 30's and Id say 80% of my washing is done up home. Only if there is some rare reason I have to go more than two weekends without going home I do it where I rent .

Akrasia wrote: »

This starts in college. Mammies telling their kids to come home every week, getting all their clothes cleaned and a bag full of food for the next week

When I went to college, I only came home once a month and that was just to be polite

Kids should be proud to grow up and parents should realise that their role is to prepare their kids for independent life.

I lived at home for college so can't comment on that but since I had to move away for work (at 24ish) I'm home every weekend or every second weekend usually now. I'd hate to be only home once a month, sad really not wanting to be around home and seeing your parents regularly. I'd would without doubt be still living at home if work was commutable from there.

Jawgap

mariaalice wrote: »

We are old fogies though:p

Nah, just his idea of being independent is using my Hailo account to get a taxi home!!

Winterlong

Jawgap wrote: »

Nah, just his idea of being independent is using my Daddies Hailo account to get a taxi home!!

FYP

beach_walker

Keaton Deafening Test wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it really :pac:, sure I'm in my early 30's and Id say 80% of my washing is done up home. Only if there is some rare reason I have to go more than two weekends without going home I do it where I rent .

Well I suppose the part that shocked me most was that they can't (well have never) washed clothes. Ironing too. And I heard of one incident where the parents drove up to Dublin to collect the washing, and returned a few days later with it all done. Now that's service :pac:

I think it's a bit odd for an adult to not be able to do these basic things in life. I mean household chores and cooking are something that everyone should have a grasp on!

beach_walker

beach_walker wrote: »

Well I suppose the part that shocked me most was that they can't (well have never) washed clothes. Ironing too. And I heard of one incident where the parents drove up to Dublin to collect the washing, and returned a few days later with it all done. Now that's service :pac:

I think it's a bit odd for an adult to not be able to do these basic things in life. I mean household chores and cooking are something that everyone should have a grasp on!

Well they do sound like they can do very little, I can cook no problem and use a washing machine easily. Just handier to bring stuff home a lot of the time for me as for one washing is a weekend job and if I'm home it has to come with me and secondly we have far better washing and drying facilities at home than where I rent.

The Backwards Man

At least the ones that can't iron or cook or wash clothes or whatever have the excuse that they are useless.

The ones that won't have no excuse.

HensVassal

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Thalkirchen camp site was the place to go in Munich if you wanted cheap accomodation. And in fact if you wanted even cheaper (ie free) you just went to the haupbanhof, plonked your sleeping bag down on the ground and slept. Station was lovely and warm, the only downside being the local polizei who came and rousted you out at 6 in the mornings!

Could you sleep with lights on and train noise. Don't think I could.

Akrasia

Keaton Deafening Test wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it really :pac:, sure I'm in my early 30's and Id say 80% of my washing is done up home. Only if there is some rare reason I have to go more than two weekends without going home I do it where I rent .



I lived at home for college so can't comment on that but since I had to move away for work (at 24ish) I'm home every weekend or every second weekend usually now. I'd hate to be only home once a month, sad really not wanting to be around home and seeing your parents regularly. I'd would without doubt be still living at home if work was commutable from there.

It wasn't about not wanting to be at home. I now live only a mile and a half from my mother and see her regularly (she has health problems) My wife is near her family too, that is important to us.

But it's about growing up and maturing as an independent adult.

When i was in College, I specifically chose one that was far enough away that I wouldn't be expected to come home every weekend. I wanted to find my own way.

A truly close family doesn't need to see each other every day or every week to maintain the relationship, and I think it's important for parents to mature beyond their role as parents as their kids leave the nest. If their health allows it, parents should be pursuing their own interests, their own friends and social life that they may have had to delay when they were prioritising their children

(in my opinion)

I found the answer to this after a bit of internet research, here goes.

It to do with smaller family sizes, family's of 5,6 or 7 were common, now family's of 2 are common meaning family resources only have to be divide between 2 instead of say 7, plus in the 1970s and 1980s there was college fess.

Joe_ Public

HensVassal wrote: »

Could you sleep with lights on and train noise. Don't think I could.

Well I wouldnt do it now, but when you are 18/19 it's just an adventure. Trains didnt' run through the night, not then anyway...from around midnight to six (man!) it was generally quiet. Plus, I was working 2 jobs....coulda slept through an earthquake!!

HensVassal

beach_walker wrote: »

Well I suppose the part that shocked me most was that they can't (well have never) washed clothes. Ironing too. And I heard of one incident where the parents drove up to Dublin to collect the washing, and returned a few days later with it all done. Now that's service :pac:

I think it's a bit odd for an adult to not be able to do these basic things in life. I mean household chores and cooking are something that everyone should have a grasp on!

I honestly do not understand anyone who "can't cook".

Who the fuck can't crack open a tin of soup and heat it in a saucepan?
Or read the instructions on a McColgans beef pie and heat it up in the oven....bonus points if you can screw the top off the milk carton and A+ if you can pour it into a glass to accompany your soup or beef pie.

Hands up here anybody who has been asked by their mother to check the spuds that were boiling in a pot, i.e. prod them with a fork to see if they "give" ?

Any curious child who has been asked to perform this simple task while their mother was occupied doing something else like washing some plates or whipping some cream to go with the apple tart would automatically deduce that spuds go in water in pot, heat is applied and water boils, spuds are ready to eat when they are soft enough for a fork to pierce them without much effort...QED.

Can't cook, my bollocks.

Pac1Man

I left home when I was 6 and have worked and supported myself from then until now. It's tough for a 6 year old to get ahead in life but I scrapped my way through.This has made emotionally fulfilled and an overall more rounded person.

I truly am fantastic because of this and I am a better and more successful person than a lot of others for these same reasons.

I know this may not be directly related to the topic but I feel it's important to highlight once again how much more advanced I am than most people. This all stems from facing the mature and harsh world as a 6 year old.

To further drive home this point, I will refer to the parents of those still getting help as Mammy and Daddy. I feel this hint of condescension not only makes me feel better about myself, but also propels me to the front of the moral queue.

Shaque attack

Pac1Man wrote: »

I left home when I was 6 and have worked and supported myself from then until now. It's tough for a 6 year old to get ahead in life but I scrapped my way through.This has made emotionally fulfilled and an overall more rounded person.

I truly am fantastic because of this and I am a better and more successful person than a lot of others for these same reasons.

I know this may not be directly related to the topic but I feel it's important to highlight once again how much more advanced I am than most people. This all stems from facing the mature and harsh world as a 6 year old.

To further drive home this point, I will refer to the parents of those still getting help as Mammy and Daddy. I feel this hint of condescension not only makes me feel better about myself, but also propels me to the front of the moral queue.

Haha, best response to this type of thread I've read in a long time.

Mainly because I left home and manned up at 4, brought my 2 year old brother with me and he was good to go out on his own by 3. Snowflakes the lot of ye.

riclad

I was in a family of 7 children,
i was fed ,clothed .
i certainly was not spoilt .
People with 1 or 2 children pay them more attention,
i think teens now have pc,s laptops, smartphones , game console,s .
I know a single mother, her only daughter has a laptop, iphone 5, cable tv .
I was left to read, listen to the radio study .
We had rte1,2, 2 tv channels ,no cable tv.
i hear on podcasts of people giving 6 year olds ipads to play on.
This generation is the connected generation,
the first generation to grow up with social media and smartphones and selfies .
So of course its different,
every minor event goes up on facebook,
so of course they are different from someone born in the 80s.
I read an article about a teen in the usa,
she uploads at least 10 photos, every day to social media .
She go,s everywhere with her iphone.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I came from a family of 2 kids. We were both spoilt brats. I probably still am to an extent. Although it came from a really good place with my parents, we wanted for nothing, it did us no favours. And being struck down with princess syndrome when things don't go my way at 27, is not something I'd want for my daughter.

HensVassal

Pac1Man wrote: »

I left home when I was 6 and have worked and supported myself from then until now. It's tough for a 6 year old to get ahead in life but I scrapped my way through.This has made emotionally fulfilled and an overall more rounded person.

I truly am fantastic because of this and I am a better and more successful person than a lot of others for these same reasons.

I know this may not be directly related to the topic but I feel it's important to highlight once again how much more advanced I am than most people. This all stems from facing the mature and harsh world as a 6 year old.

To further drive home this point, I will refer to the parents of those still getting help as Mammy and Daddy. I feel this hint of condescension not only makes me feel better about myself, but also propels me to the front of the moral queue.

6???? You pampered, soft bastard.

Have you ever had to change the tyre on your own pram on the way to work like I have?

This is no easy feat when you haven't learn to walk yet

Sapphire

Shaque attack wrote: »

Haha, best response to this type of thread I've read in a long time.

Mainly because I left home and manned up at 4, brought my 2 year old brother with me and he was good to go out on his own by 3. Snowflakes the lot of ye.

Pfft, my preschooler is already a foreman down the mines.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

When i was in College, I specifically chose one that was far enough away that I wouldn't be expected to come home every weekend. I wanted to find my own way.

Very different outlook I suppose, there was never any question about moving away for university for me. I only applied to two (one IT one university) and both are close to home as I had no intention of moving out for university. It helped of course that they were very good places to attend regardless offering the courses I wanted etc.

The majority of my friends did the same and it meant my school friends all stayed together as a group and even now in our 30's we are as close as ever.

John_Rambo

riclad wrote: »

I was in a family of 7 children,
i was fed ,clothed .
i certainly was not spoilt .
People with 1 or 2 children pay them more attention,
i think teens now have pc,s laptops, smartphones , game console,s .
I know a single mother, her only daughter has a laptop, iphone 5, cable tv .
I was left to read, listen to the radio study .
We had rte1,2, 2 tv channels ,no cable tv.
i hear on podcasts of people giving 6 year olds ipads to play on.
This generation is the connected generation,
the first generation to grow up with social media and smartphones and selfies .
So of course its different,
every minor event goes up on facebook,
so of course they are different from someone born in the 80s.
I read an article about a teen in the usa,
she uploads at least 10 photos, every day to social media .
She go,s everywhere with her iphone.

I'm not so sure you're wonderfully connected because I don't know what point you're trying to make here?

Is it just bltching and "the new generation" crap? There's always a you, when TV came out there was a you giving out about the new generation and telling everyone how wonderful you were when you were a kid and how connected you are. When radio came out there was a you, moaning again. Even when books came out there were people that didn't agree with kids reading.

beach_walker wrote: »

Well I suppose the part that shocked me most was that they can't (well have never) washed clothes. Ironing too. And I heard of one incident where the parents drove up to Dublin to collect the washing, and returned a few days later with it all done. Now that's service

I think it's a bit odd for an adult to not be able to do these basic things in life. I mean household chores and cooking are something that everyone should have a grasp on!

It continues, on through the twenties and the thirties and even the forties. In their thirties they'll build they're own house on they're "own land" (dad's land). In their forties they'll have the parents "mind" (rear) the grandkids.

Then they're food tapping for the rest.

Conall Cernach

Lollipops23 wrote: »

London is bloody expensive. Most 18 year olds I've met wouldn't survive it.

If they can fund it and won't need to fall back on Mammy and Daddy for a bailout, then more power to them.

Yes, perhaps in this case the 18 year old is thinking that they can just rock up to London and automatically find a place to live and work. Mammy and Daddy might just be balking at having to finance their 18 year old's flat deposit and general expenses until a pay cheque arrives, if it ever does. Or maybe they suspect their 18 year old is a moron.

I went to London when I was 19 back in the early 90s with money loaned to me by my brother. I stayed with relatives but after being unsuccessful at finding work that would also cover rent etc. I returned home after a month rather than rack up more debt and be a burden to my aunt and uncle. I did get propositioned to "act" in some gay porn though so at least I have a story to tell from it. I didn't do it by the way.