topping and Glas

Dunedin

What date can I top or mow fields in the permanent pasture in Glas

TPF2012

15th July, I think.

Never wrestle with pigs

So glad I didn't join.

Ashill5

To be honest, sorry I did!

Cavanjack

When is the next glas payment due anyone know?

Dunedin

TPF2012 wrote: »

15th July, I think.

This is what I thought but my neighbours Teagasc man told him it is definitely 1st July.................

adam14

No its definitely 15th.

_Brian

Seems alot of confusion, was talking to a lad yesterday and he is patiently waiting on 1st July to mow..

Base price

1st of July mowing is allowed for Traditional Hay Medows. 15th July TOPPING is allowed for Low Input Permanent Pasture. Mowing for hay/silage is not allowed on LIPP.

Base price

Round bale silage can be made on Traditional Hay Meadows if the weather is not suitable for hay but the grass is supposed to be tedded at least twice to shake out the seeds before baling.

Kovu

Base Price is correct. 1st of July for any parcel you have marked for Hay meadows, waiting patiently for the weekend and doing sun dances around the fields at night to the weather gods.
Topping is a different date, am not sure of it but I'll go with Base on the 15th.

50HX

yep it's the 15 for topping

had to break the rules this year as the place would be gone to pot if i didn't

ganmo

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

So glad I didn't join.

The Ts and Cs were fairly well defined
We were careful as to where we put the Low input onto ground that we just can't top.

the problem was that the low input was the only measure that was able to make up the majority of the 3k

I said

Set stocking is the only way around it for next year for me

20silkcut

Ashill5 wrote: »

To be honest, sorry I did!

Are you contemplating a Glexit?

Dunedin

Base price wrote: »

1st of July mowing is allowed for Traditional Hay Medows. 15th July TOPPING is allowed for Low Input Permanent Pasture. Mowing for hay/silage is not allowed on LIPP.

What's the difference between Trad Hay Meadows and LIPP

Kovu

You can't cut the LIPP for hay or silage, it has to be grazed.

Base price

Kovu wrote: »

You can't cut the LIPP for hay or silage, it has to be grazed.

Kovu is correct.

Dunedin wrote: »

What's the difference between Trad Hay Meadows and LIPP in GLAS

FYP
Traditional Hay Meadows can be mowed from the 1st of July. The meadow/grass must contain 3 old type grasses (from memory). The meadow "must" be mowed from the centre out like it used to be when I was a youngster before the arrival of fancy dancy mowers. If the weather is not suitable to make hay then you can make round bale silage as long as the sward is tedded at least twice to shed grass seeds back into the ground.
Low Input Permanent Pastures (must also contain 3 old species of grass - no more that 25% of Rye grass?) can be "topped" after the 15th of July. According to the GLAS specifications you can only "top" Low Input Permanent Pastures. You cannot "mow" Low Input Permanent Pastures in order to make hay or silage.
No offence Dunedin but if you don't know which scheme you signed up for or the criteria then maybe you should contact your Ag Advisor (that I'm sure you well paid) for their advice.

Base price

50HX wrote: »

yep it's the 15 for topping

had to break the rules this year as the place would be gone to pot if i didn't

I wish I had the nerves to break the rule
Have a 16 acre field in LIPP that got wayyyy too strong for the young stock.
I had to take them off it 3 weeks ago (120 odd Jan/Feb/early Mar calves) as they were not making much of an impact with strip fencing.
I reckon that my only option now is to top it after the 15th of July and get our contractor in to row it up and bale the toppings. It will not be the best of feed but hopefully it will fill their bellies during the winter.

Grueller

Base price wrote: »

Kovu is correct.


FYP
Traditional Hay Meadows can be mowed from the 1st of July. The meadow/grass must contain 3 old type grasses (from memory). The meadow "must" be mowed from the centre out like it used to be when I was a youngster before the arrival of fancy dancy mowers. If the weather is not suitable to make hay then you can make round bale silage as long as the sward is tedded at least twice to shed grass seeds back into the ground.
Low Input Permanent Pastures (must also contain 3 old species of grass - no more that 25% of Rye grass?) can be "topped" after the 15th of July. According to the GLAS specifications you can only "top" Low Input Permanent Pastures. You cannot "mow" Low Input Permanent Pastures in order to make hay or silage.
No offence Dunedin but if you don't know which scheme you signed up for or the criteria then maybe you should contact your Ag Advisor (that I'm sure you well paid) for their advice.

Is centre out mowing not only for hen harrier/corncrake type areas?

Base price

Grueller wrote: »

Is centre out mowing not only for hen harrier/corncrake type areas?

You could be correct. We did not choose it in our GLAS option and went with low input permanent pasture.

Western Pomise

Was that for Glas 1 ...I'm accepted for Glas 2....from memory main measures are putting in drinking troughs for cattle,fencing off watercourses,have commonage,will this topping dates craic be in Glas 2 as well?

Western Pomise

Sorry for double post!

Kovu

Western Pomise wrote: »

Sorry for double post!

What double post :P

Do you mean Tranche 2? It's definitely the same dates as that's the one we're in and our pastures look a state with wispy bits all over the place!

High bike

Base price wrote: »

I wish I had the nerves to break the rule
Have a 16 acre field in LIPP that got wayyyy too strong for the young stock.
I had to take them off it 3 weeks ago (120 odd Jan/Feb/early Mar calves) as they were not making much of an impact with strip fencing.
I reckon that my only option now is to top it after the 15th of July and get our contractor in to row it up and bale the toppings. It will not be the best of feed but hopefully it will fill their bellies during the winter.

will have to do te same myself maybe the mower might be dropped a bit too much by mistake:P

Western Pomise

Kovu wrote: »

Western Pomise wrote: »

Sorry for double post!

What double post :P

Do you mean Tranche 2? It's definitely the same dates as that's the one we're in and our pastures look a state with wispy bits all over the place!

Sorry...Might have terminology wrong......I'm accepted into second level of Glas (is it known as Glas 2 or Tranche 2?)

Base price

High bike wrote: »

will have to do te same myself maybe the mower might be dropped a bit too much by mistake:P

And covered quickly with dung/slurry.

Kovu

Western Pomise wrote: »

Sorry...Might have terminology wrong......I'm accepted into second level of Glas (is it known as Glas 2 or Tranche 2?)

Yep tranche 2, the ones that don't have corncrake or harriers or priority watercourses.

Grueller

Kovu wrote: »

Yep tranche 2, the ones that don't have corncrake or harriers or priority watercourses.

They are tier two. Tranche two is the second opening date of the glas scheme.

Base price

Western Pomise wrote: »

Was that for Glas 1 ...I'm accepted for Glas 2....from memory main measures are putting in drinking troughs for cattle,fencing off watercourses,have commonage,will this topping dates craic be in Glas 2 as well?

Kovu wrote: »

What double post :P

Do you mean Tranche 2? It's definitely the same dates as that's the one we're in and our pastures look a state with wispy bits all over the place!

Kovu is correct. The same dates apply for topping low input permanant pasture as Tranche 1.
Here is a link to the specifications of Glas Trance 2. You Ag advisor should have given you a pack containing the DO's and Don'ts.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastranche2/GLAS2Spec130116.pdf

Kovu

Grueller wrote: »

They are tier two. Tranche two is the second opening date of the glas scheme.

Whoops!:o But wasn't tranche two the opening date for tier two?

Base price

Part screen shot of LIPP trance 2.

High bike

Base price wrote: »

And covered quickly with dung/slurry.

maybe a load or 2:D

Base price

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

So glad I didn't join.

Ashill5 wrote: »

To be honest, sorry I did!

Out of interest why, if you don't mind me asking.
This is our first time to get involved in any type of agri environmental scheme and we have been farming a good few years. In our case I know we will have additional costs this year in preparing some of the ground for WBC but after the 5 year term one area will be of better quality and more usable. I also like the idea that hopefully some species of birds (no Corvoids please :rolleyes:) will benefit.
The only disappointment that I have is that due to the weather we couldn't get ploughing/tilling the ground early enough to plant wild flower seed to suit bees/invertebrates which, by the way was not part of our Glas plan but is a personal passion. Hopefully next year.

Dunedin

Base price wrote: »

No offence Dunedin but if you don't know which scheme you signed up for or the criteria then maybe you should contact your Ag Advisor (that I'm sure you well paid) for their advice.

None taken!!

I knew I was in the LIPP but I was thrown a little when people started talking about trad hay meadows and different cutting/topping dates.

I will be waiting patiently for the 16th July - a bit like the opening of the shooting season.....:D:D:D

Green farmer

adam14 wrote: »

No its definitely 15th.

The nettles and thistles here are laughing at me every time I pass the field. Hoping their seeds haven't dispersed by the time I can top them.

MayoAreMagic

Green farmer wrote: »

The nettles and thistles here are laughing at me every time I pass the field. Hoping their seeds haven't dispersed by the time I can top them.

You are allowed to spot spray in LIPP...


From reading the thread Im actually surprised at the amount of people that seem to have signed up without knowledge what they have to do or are not allowed to do. You are signing up your land for 5 years, and it is a 5 minute job to find the page and read the thing. A minute a year!

ganmo

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You are allowed to spot spray in LIPP...

or you could use 'traditional' methods

Grueller

ganmo wrote: »

or you could use 'traditional' methods

What is that yoke? The boss here has an auld antique one that he is mad to teach me how to use but I am bravely resisting.

ganmo

Grueller wrote: »

What is that yoke? The boss here has an auld antique one that he is mad to teach me how to use but I am bravely resisting.

i would call it a billhook, great thing for tackling bushes and briars

for weed cutting we've a sickle like yolk that most of the blade is broken :rolleyes:

kinda like

ABlur

ganmo wrote: »

or you could use 'traditional' methods

It makes a fair job if the stemmy grass!!

50HX

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You are allowed to spot spray in LIPP...


You are signing up your land for 5 years, and it is a 5 minute job to find the page and read the thing. A minute a year!

YEAH ....It's always as easy as that:(

mayota

Grueller wrote: »

What is that yoke? The boss here has an auld antique one that he is mad to teach me how to use but I am bravely resisting.

Known as a slash hook here.

High bike

ganmo wrote: »

or you could use 'traditional' methods

its called a slash hook round here,not much mileage on the clock there I'd say it's very clean

jimmy G M

mayota wrote: »

Known as a slash hook here.

Slash hook here as well, jez this could turn out like the pike / grape thread.!

ganmo

High bike wrote: »

its called a slash hook round here,not much mileage on the clock there I'd say it's very clean

not mine, google image sorted me out

Capercaillie

ganmo wrote: »

i would call it a billhook, great thing for tackling bushes and briars

for weed cutting we've a sickle like yolk that most of the blade is broken :rolleyes:

kinda like

The skill with the scikle yolk is not using it, but how to sharpen it properly! A lost art. I'm not able to sharpen properly:(

ganmo

i managed to open a knuckle while sharpening it once

Muckit

This is what we'd call a slash hook to.

The other yoke with thinner curved blade we would call a briar hook.

White Clover

Muckit wrote: »

This is what we'd call a slash hook to.

The other yoke with thinner curved blade we would call a briar hook.

Spot on muckit!

moll3

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