Towing horsebox, which licence?

pudzey101

Hi just wondering am i covered to tow an empty horsebox on the full B license ?

CiniO

pudzey101 wrote: »

Hi just wondering am i covered to tow an empty horsebox on the full B license ?

Most likely not, but unless you tell us exact vehicle plated d.g.v.w, its towing capacity and plated trailer d.g.v.w, we won't be able to answee

pudzey101

sorry didnt know the vehicle weight mattered i taught it was trailer weight It be a toyota dyna i think it weights 3000-3200 kg trailer is between 1500 and 1700 kg roughly ?

_Brian

No you won't.

Firstly it matters not if the trailer is empty or not. Liscence weights are done on DGVW, design weight not actual weight.
on your b you can drive a combination DGVW of 3500kg for vehicle and trailer together.
You'll be well in excess.

The Sidewards Man

A 3 tonne dyna and a trailer weight 1.5 tonnes empty lol.

The Sidewards Man

@ Brian any link to your post?

pudzey101

stupid ****** question again tho ... but what if im stopped ? whats the worst that can happen ? can also get a 2.0 tdci mondeo which should be way less weight than a dyna

The Sidewards Man

Stopped by whom?

pudzey101

pudzey101 wrote: »

Hi just wondering am i covered to tow an empty horsebox on the full B license ?

All the info you need can be found here: https://www.ndls.ie/licence-categories.html

The Sidewards Man

Deleted User wrote: »

All the info you need can be found here: https://www.ndls.ie/licence-categories.html

Is that link agreeing with the law?

Del2005

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Is that link agreeing with the law?

Yes.

The Sidewards Man

Del2005 wrote: »

Yes.

Link?

Del2005

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Link?

It's already been linked!

The Sidewards Man

Del2005 wrote: »

It's already been linked!

That link won't hold water in court.

r65

OP, I think you're mistaken. The figures that a quick Google throws up is that a Dyna weights about 2250 kg. Gross design weigh is 3500kg ( ie. Loaded weight) They seem to be designed to pull a mad of 2200 kg. So depends on the weight of your horsebox.Get it weighted or ask manufacturer.
If the Dyna is 2250kg and the box is 750kg, you can pull 500kg of horse on a car licence.

The Sidewards Man

r65 wrote: »

OP, I think you're mistaken. The figures that a quick Google throws up is that a Dyna weights about 2250 kg. Gross design weigh is 3500kg ( ie. Loaded weight) They seem to be designed to pull a mad of 2200 kg. So depends on the weight of your horsebox.Get it weighted or ask manufacturer.
If the Dyna is 2250kg and the box is 750kg, you can pull 500kg of horse on a car licence.

Let's believe Google.

r65

Sideways, do you actually have any knowledge of the subject, or just repeat "link" parrot-like?

The Sidewards Man

I have knowledge, if you don't win this are you going to open another account?

colm_mcm

A dyna 100 weighs under 1700kg IIRC

The Sidewards Man

Most know that.

colm_mcm

They clearly don't.

Anyway, back to the actual question.

Vehicles (other than motorcycles, mopeds, work vehicles or land tractors) having a MAM1 not exceeding 3,500 kg, designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver.

The vehicle may tow a trailer (a) where the MAM of the trailer is not greater than 750 kg or (b) where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750kg the combined MAM of the towing vehicle and the trailer is not greater than 3,500 kg.


Quadricycles (other than those covered by AM) are also covered by this category.

Towing capacity of a Dyna is 2000kg. - MAM of a horse box could easily be 2500kg
GVW of the smallest Dyna would be 3000kg



That's a no so.

_Brian

I'm shocked at just how often this question comes up and how little people know on the subject, I suspect people are in pure denial because it doesn't suit their adjenda.


The legislation is based on DGVW, the designed max loaded weight of both the vehicle and the trailer.

Thinking you get away because your towing a half loaded trailer is just head in the sand stuff.

_Brian

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Std%20Leg/Road%20Safety%20Advice%20for%20Drawing%20Light%20Trailers%20A5%20booklet%20Amends%209-12-15%20%20%20%20.pdf

Here's an RSA leaflet that explains it well.

Here's a paragraph from this document.


As a general rule, a category B licence would not entitle the holder to tow a horsebox or a livestock trailer because the DGCW would be more than 3500kg.
Take an example of a drawing vehicle with a MAM of 2010kg and a DGCW of 3680kg - that is a towing capacity of 1670kg. A category B licence would be suf cient to drive this vehicle towing a trailer with a maximum plated MAM of 1490kg as, even though the trailer’s MAM is more than 750kg, the combined MAM of the vehicle and trailer combination (2010kg + 1490kg) is not more than 3500kg.
However, if you want to fully use this vehicle’s towing capacity of 1670kg (operate at a DGCW of 3680kg) a BE licence is required.
Note: A person must hold a category B driving licence before being eligible to apply for a category BE learner permit (explained below).

The Sidewards Man

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Is that link agreeing with the law?

It IS the Law. New rules came into affect last year. They were warnings on Radio, TV and Liveline for people to get their licence sorted, a sort of amnesty, or they would have to start at scratch and get a learner permit and take lessons and take a test in order to tow a trailer bigger than a small dog box type trailer.

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

It IS the Law. New rules came into affect last year. They were warnings on Radio, TV and Liveline for people to get their licence sorted, a sort of amnesty, or they would have to start at scratch and get a learner permit and take lessons and take a test in order to tow a trailer bigger than a small dog box type trailer.

That dog box comment is wrong.
I tow an 8meter long 4 berth caravan legally on my B liscence.
My car has DGVW of 2010kgs, caravan DGVW 1450kgs, combined DGVW 3460kgs.

CiniO

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It IS the Law. New rules came into affect last year. They were warnings on Radio, TV and Liveline for people to get their licence sorted, a sort of amnesty, or they would have to start at scratch and get a learner permit and take lessons and take a test in order to tow a trailer bigger than a small dog box type trailer.

What new rules?
The law making a limit of sum of dgvw of drawing car and trailer of 3500kg was in probably for more than 30 years. Nothing new with it.
Only change which I think occurred around 2013 was the abolition of extra requirement for trailer dgvw to be not greater than towing vehicle unladen weight. Removing that actually allowed more cases to be suitable for b licence only without a need to have be

Del2005

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

That link won't hold water in court.

Same information as in the Statute Book but easier read on the NDLS site

colm_mcm

Don't even bother....

mgbgt1978

Deleted User wrote: »

It IS the Law. New rules came into affect last year. They were warnings on Radio, TV and Liveline for people to get their licence sorted, a sort of amnesty, or they would have to start at scratch and get a learner permit and take lessons and take a test in order to tow a trailer bigger than a small dog box type trailer.

Jesus wept. The misinformation here just gets worse...........
Joe Duffy is now a public information conduit ?

THERE WAS AN AMNESTY LAST YEAR ?????
To allow people obtain an EB Licence without doing a Test ?????
Oh no there wasn't .:rolleyes:

Is "a small dog box type trailer" a description from the relevant statute ?

colm_mcm

I wouldn't take advice from a statue anyway.

punisher5112

colm_mcm wrote: »

I wouldn't take advice from a statue anyway.

Sure they are usually covered in sh1t.

The Sidewards Man

We have a comedian lads.