Soccer forum

LeinsterDub

The soccer forum here is by approval only expect during the major tournaments as it meant to be unmoderateable during the regular season. If this is the case how come these forums don't decend into all out flame wars during the open periods?

Is it more attention paid by mods?
Less to troll about when clubs aren't doing much?
Or that the initial contention of being unmoderatable is unfounded?

Flint Fredstone

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The soccer forum here is by approval only expect during the major tournaments as it meant to be unmoderateable during the regular season. If this is the case how come these forums don't decend into all out flame wars during the open periods?

Is it more attention paid by mods?
Less to troll about when clubs aren't doing much?
Or that the initial contention of being unmoderatable is unfounded?

It's not unmoderated during the season, not sure where you're getting that from.

I thought opening it up for the Euros was a good idea but I wouldn't be for it again. There's Jun 16 registered accounts with 3 figure post counts exclusively in soccer. Fairly obvious that there's a few there that aren't supposed to be which totally goes against the access request function.

LeinsterDub

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

It's not unmoderated during the season, not sure where you're getting that from.

I thought opening it up for the Euros was a good idea but I wouldn't be for it again. There's Jun 16 registered accounts with 3 figure post counts exclusively in soccer. Fairly obvious that there's a few there that aren't supposed to be which totally goes against the access request function.

I said "unmoderateable" (which google is now telling me is a made up word ) not unmoderated.

What I meant was their were so many trolls it couldn't be moderated properly

Flint Fredstone

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I said "unmoderateable" (which google is now telling me is a made up word ) not unmoderated.

What I meant was their were so many trolls it couldn't be moderated properly

Sorry, misread. It's actually moderated pretty well these days. It's never going to be consistent but it's better than I've ever seen it.

LuckyLloyd

It's a reasonable question to ask tbf, and it is probably due a reasoned response from the moderation team.

My belief as an active user is that

Less to troll about when clubs aren't doing much?

probably applies. I personally check out from the forum during the summer break for periods as transfer talk is generally not my bag. Most fans are positive and insular over the summer and any big transfers are unlikely to happen until after the major summer tournament is completed anyway.

andekwarhola

Presumably a certain type of poster - generally associated with a few big clubs - cause the most trouble and already care enough to have access, whereas maybe the euros just attracts a more drifting supporter so it doesn't tip over that much.

Beasty

The access process was introduced a long time before I registered on Boards and I cannot comment too much on some of the issues that resulted in it.

It continues to provide a couple of obvious benefits:

1. The forum charter is quite prescriptive with a formal totting up process for cards and bans. The access process has a particular focus on requiring new posters to read the charter in full. That does not stop someone simply copying and pasting from other access requests but anyone who does so risks having missed a change in the process and has absolutely no defence if they do then fall foul of the rules
2. It stops posters registering (or re-registering) just to troll in a forum where we still see some friction (albeit massively reduced in recent years in my own view) between certain fans of the 2 most popular clubs in particular. Imagine the potential issues when those 2 clubs are playing and a new poster crops up and stirs things up before a mod can deal with it. Posters need a minimum time on the site and post count before they can apply which stops people signing up with the sole intent of trolling fans of another club

Things are generally a little calmer during these international events, although we did see some issues for example at the last World Cup with the affiliation of Ronaldo to United and Suarez to Liverpool causing some problems (although they were largely involving posters who already had access)

Having said all that I agree it's a fair question. The access process has certainly been in place for over a decade and maybe it is about time we revisited the whole issue.

I would add that I am speaking for myself here and have not discussed any of this with the local mods. I would certainly welcome any input they have as they are the ones at the coalface

darced

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LeinsterDub

darced wrote: »

I've noticed a lot of name calling in the match threads, just childish stuff that shouldn't bother anyone anyway but if that was during the season the mods would be blitzed with reported posts as various posters tried to win their vendetta.

Maybe opening up the pool of posters has a calming effect and reduces the echo chamber the troublesome posters experience

darced

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LeinsterDub

darced wrote: »

My point is that the regulars aren't bothered by the new posters calling players, managers etc. names so its not a problem.

When the first regular poster calls a Man Utd or Liverpool player a prat it will be a whole different story.

So because the regular posters can't play nice those who have a passing interest aren't allowed to play at all? I'm not seeing a good reason for this system at all.

Flint Fredstone

LeinsterDub wrote: »

So because the regular posters can't play nice those who have a passing interest aren't allowed to play at all? I'm not seeing a good reason for this system at all.

It's there to stop people just constantly re-registering to troll the sh*t out of the place. If it wasn't there the forum would be an absolute mess.
Some people just don't take the hint and keep coming back under different accounts after being banned.

I've recently given the new account name of one of these guys to a Cmod for the third time in a couple of years. No doubt he will be back again soon acting the dick again. If the access request wasn't there it would just be a conveyor belt of similar accounts not giving a sh*t about getting caught. At least with the post count/1 month requirement they have to toe the line a bit for fear of it being a complete waste of time.

Strumms

My own view is that access requests should remain. Far to many muppets over the course of the tournament so far either pure trolling or abusing people. I don't really see the logic of lifting the access request for the tournament at all. If people want to go around being abusive and uncivil under the guise of talking about the match then if there is any place for that it should be after hours.... Just my two cents.

A little off topic but can the 50 posts and access questions please also apply to the soccer tickets thread?

Beasty

RoboKlopp wrote: »

A little off topic but can the 50 posts and access questions please also apply to the soccer tickets thread?

Any specific issues that make you suggest this? Just I'm not seeing any particular issues being reported about posts in that forum other than perhaps the odd one offering/asking over face value.

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

Any specific issues that make you suggest this? Just I'm not seeing any particular issues being reported about posts in that forum other than perhaps the odd one offering/asking over face value.

No, just thought it might be a decent suggestion.

I'd say most people would be more willing to deal with posters that have a bit of history on the forum. Same would apply to buying tickets on adverts, eBay and the likes.

fullstop

darced wrote: »

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As have i, but the posts aren't having any action taken even though it's supposedly against the charter :rolleyes:

Lovely Bloke

fullstop wrote: »

As have i, but the posts aren't having any action taken even though it's supposedly against the charter :rolleyes:

yep, same

reports probably fell through the cracks but. the usual story.

fullstop

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

yep, same

reports probably fell through the cracks but. the usual story.

Don't see why they should fall through the cracks. I got a yellow for calling a certain CEO a prick a few weeks back. There have been several examples of the same an worse since and nothing done. It's nonsense.

BMMachine

depends on who the mods allow to troll tbh. They understandably don't want new users everywhere as it would make their narrative messy as regards who is and isn't allowed to troll.

PhlegmyMoses

Any thread relating to Irish fans during the EC descended into an after-hoursesque trollfest with 4 or 5 people who had never posted in soccer before, mostly new accounts, leading the charge.

I initially thought that the open access idea was a good one but it's now pretty clear that we'd be dealing with a re-reg every week baiting normally rational posters into cards until the mods build up a body of evidence and ban them.

As such, I'd be against opening it fully.

Is opening it fully even on the cards?

Thought it was just for the euros?


It hasn't been as bad as some people are saying. Much quieter than normal season.

Beasty

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Is opening it fully even on the cards?

Thought it was just for the euros?

No it's not "on the cards". However the OP raised the question and I agree it's something that's worthy of discussion. If the consensus is leave as is then that's fine so far as I am concerned. Equally the site has moved on. I have no doubt there have been less problems during these "open periods" than we often get over a Premiership weekend, but I suspect that will always be the case as there is much less "tribalism" in these international tournaments. I personally would support opening up every couple of years for these events despite some of the earlier comments.

Strumms

Yeah it's quieter because there are no competitive premiership matches on so you don't have that tribalism or butting of heads or banter that escalates to become full on trolling depending on results etc. It's really the biggest blight on the forum during the regular season and not always fans of opposing teams either.

People who I often found to be borderline trolling or full on trolling during the club football season namely supporters of other EPL clubs I can pretty much get on with and have a decent discussion about the Euros as there isn't that agenda... yeah to an extent it should be like that all year round but you know how things are...

Lovely Bloke

you can see the priorities of the mods/cmods/admin/staff by the standard of moderation on this locked thread.

Some absolute clown of a "tournament poster" comes on trolling the shíte out of the forum, not a card to be seen.

Apart from the bit of backseat modding of course.

I'm not disputing my card, but the moderation is abysmal there, absolutely dire.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057617108

jaysis sake like.

Baldy Conscience

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

you can see the priorities of the mods/cmods/admin/staff by the standard of moderation on this locked thread.

Some absolute clown of a "tournament poster" comes on trolling the shíte out of the forum, not a card to be seen.

Apart from the bit of backseat modding of course.

I'm not disputing my card, but the moderation is abysmal there, absolutely dire.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057617108

jaysis sake like.

That poster has been banned I think?

Harry Palmr

Kick 'em out

#takingbackthesoccerforum

Lovely Bloke

And while we're at it.

This has gone unmoderated.

This exactly the bull that goes on, with Pool or United fans dragging their crap on to absolutely unrelated threads. Naw, just card the backseat mods.

Yes, I reported it. I find it funny that a mod can moderate me for backseat modding, but not that post for obvious baiting.

The mods won't moderate correctly. Why not?

Lovely Bloke

RoboKlopp wrote: »

That poster has been banned I think?

so no obvious moderation.

How do you know, btw?

No mod posted.

Skylinehead

He was banned, thread was locked. Bans aren't necessarily visible.

Why respond to trolls though?

Posters are here long enough to have the cop on. Report and move on.

Baldy Conscience

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

so no obvious moderation.

How do you know, btw?

No mod posted.

Dispute thread

Mickeroo

Edited OP there, my match in Overwatch started so I put it off for ten whole minutes.

Lovely Bloke

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Report and move on.

Reports do nothing. Look at the crap in the Germany matchthread for copious examples.

Steve

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Reports do nothing. Look at the crap in the Germany matchthread for copious examples.

How many nanoseconds do you suggest is acceptable between a report and a mod doing something about it?

Lovely Bloke

Steve wrote: »

How many nanoseconds do you suggest is acceptable between a report and a mod doing something about it?

Was well able to moderate me, so this is a mute point.

But the old chestnut of "we're all volunteers" or "sometimes they fall through the cracks" are still going strong Steve, keep on keeping on brother.

Steve

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Was well able to moderate me, so this is a mute point.

But the old chestnut of "we're all volunteers" or "sometimes they fall through the cracks" are still going strong Steve, keep on keeping on brother.

It's like the same old story where a guy gets pulled over for speeding and cries 'why me? everyone else was also speeding!!'

The cop says 'ever been fishing?'

guy says 'yes, why?'

cop says 'did you catch all the fish?'

CQD.

BMMachine

Steve wrote: »

It's like the same old story where a guy gets pulled over for speeding and cries 'why me? everyone else was also speeding!!'

The cop says 'ever been fishing?'

guy says 'yes, why?'

cop says 'did you catch all the fish?'

CQD.

thats great and all, but what if the fish being caught is the stupidest most obvious fish the virtually jumps out of the pond onto the angler yet he still throws it back in.

Steve

BMMachine wrote: »

thats great and all, but what if the fish being caught is the stupidest most obvious fish the virtually jumps out of the pond onto the angler yet he still throws it back in.

I don't get your logic there

Lovely Bloke

Steve wrote: »

I don't get your logic there

course you don't, it doesn't suit you. Nice one. It's not that hard to understand, really. But there you go.

I still don't see why the post I linked (here it is again, just in case the fisherman was baiting instead of paying attention) is not being moderated.

This very thing was one of, if not THE, main issues brought up in the annual soccer forum feedback thread.

Fans of the "big 2" dragging their petty squabbles into all sorts of unrelated threads, even in the middle of a bleedin international tournament. That damn poster has even admitted to a bit of one-upmanship. He posted that post because he saw people "on the other side" doing the same before. The mods are allowing this pissing contest to go on unchecked. Is it a directive? Is it too hard to moderate, so instead they concentrate on the low hanging fruit?

I get it, I get that content, any content, is needed at this stage - but at what cost?

I also get that the c/mod team has tasked itself with getting rid of certain posters that they don't want around any more, but to neglect the actual issues that are plaguing the forum is short termism and shows a distinct lack of understanding of the role of moderator, tasking themselves with dishing out yellow cards for obvious charter breachers, but typically ignoring the low level trollery that goes on.

I understand that support from above is sorely lacking on the low-level troll issues, but in even such obvious cases of what has been called out as being probably the number one issue on the forum over the last while, for the moderator team to willfully ignore it absolutely stinks.

And to be backed up by the Sports Cmod is very, very telling.

But there you go. Pretend to not "get it" and we'll all keep on truckin'.

Hooray.

Polynesian Island

I think now that boards.ie is generally a lot less popular than a few years ago it might be a good idea to give it a trial run making the soccer forum open to everyone.

Also, I would suggest a "oneupmanship" thread to allow posters to quibble away to their hearts content.

Lovely Bloke

Polynesian Island wrote: »

I think now that boards.ie is generally a lot less popular than a few years ago it might be a good idea to give it a trial run making the soccer forum open to everyone.

you mean allow more of the unmoderated muppets to take over?

Yep, in keeping with Boards.ie making decisions to actively piss off it's current userbase, that would indeed be a suitable microcosm of the current state of play alright.

Polynesian Island

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

you mean allow more of the unmoderated muppets to take over?

Yep, in keeping with Boards.ie making decisions to actively piss off it's current userbase, that would indeed be a suitable microcosm of the current state of play alright.

I think it's worth a trial run.

jaykay74

Polynesian Island wrote:

I think it's worth a trial run.

Nah, it's a stupid idea. How hard is it to apply for access if you really want to post? Conversely without an access system how easy is it to rereg and troll the place...

Flint Fredstone

jaykay74 wrote: »

Nah, it's a stupid idea. How hard is it to apply for access if you really want to post? Conversely without an access system how easy is it to rereg and troll the place...

Coincidentally he is banned after 9 posts :pac:

Flint Fredstone

Aaaaand he's back... This is as good an example as any why the access request should stay.

alchemist33

I agree with Phlegmy above. I had no issue with the forum being opened up for the Euros, but I've ended up reporting more posts in the last month than in the previous two years. I know forum regulars are well able to wind people up, and the vast majority of nonregulars are decent rule-abiding folk, but I wouldn't be for doing it again. It wouldn't be hard for any non-forum regulars to sign up if they wanted to anyway- they'd likely already meet the time and post count criteria.

I also agree with the content of Baldy's complaint (if maybe not the tenor ). Low level trolling should be stamped on hard

duffman13

OJ Coffee wrote: »

So why not have access requests for all forums, I rereg and post in after hours and the racquet sports forums quite a lot, so I take it that you think those should forums should also have restricted access?

#Dispellingmythsandfaultylogic

Some of the nonsense that's gone on the soccer forum over the years is crazy, restricted access makes sense. If you are that keen to post in it takes you actively reading the charter and making 50 posts so that you can post. It's really really not that restricted, and keeps some of the lunatics at bay.

jaykay74

I would advocate a general access request system which would be required for access to specific troublesome, high card count fora such as After Hours. Not one per forum, a general access system. And not for low troublesome fora like racquet sports.

Why should the bar not be set slightly higher to stem the flow of constant reregs/closed accounts to flashpoint fora ?

Keep the separate one for soccer.

dr.bollocko

Somebody pointed out that 2 United players missed penalties. This is something which you feel merits action? I'm not getting it. Is a statement of fact relevant to the match.

Flint Fredstone

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Somebody pointed out that 2 United players missed penalties. This is something which you feel merits action? I'm not getting it. Is a statement of fact relevant to the match.

United/Liverpool crap in threads where neither are playing was one of the biggest complaints in the soccer feedback thread this year.
It's a really pissy, pointless post tbf.