Mate from uk, come to ireland cant get jsa

CamperMan

The dole told him in a letter that they will not give him jsa as his employment has not been established, they say his interest is stronger elsewhere than in the state.

He was on the dole here 7 years ago, now he has come back looking for work..

Why will they not give him dole, he has no money, gave up his flat in the uk, and is now so broke hes living in a tent

Stheno

Sounds like he has failed the habitual residence requirement

CamperMan

How can my mate satisfy this habitual requirement

Speedwell

He can stay here for at least two years and establish some ties. If your friend is a citizen of another EU country besides Ireland (including the UK), he might be able to get another kind of assistance for up to 6 months as a jobhunting EU citizen, depending on if the dole officer will allow it.

CamperMan

Speedwell wrote: »

He can stay here for at least two years and establish some ties. If your friend is a citizen of another EU country besides Ireland (including the UK), he might be able to get another kind of assistance for up to 6 months as a jobhunting EU citizen, depending on if the dole officer will allow it.

He asked and they said there is no money for him

Speedwell

CamperMan wrote: »

He asked and they said there is no money for him

They say lots of things. Sometimes you have to be persistent.

CamperMan

Speedwell wrote: »

They say lots of things. Sometimes you have to be persistent.

Thanks..

I was thinking maybe I should go in to the dole office with him, no offence to him, but he is not very bright..

his relationship with his partner ended 2 years ago, he has daughters that do not bother with hi, he gave up his council flat in the UK before coming to Ireland in May, he signed off the dole in the UK.. as well..

Dr Turk Turkelton

Would a post asking about the chances of a job for your mate and telling of his qualifications and experience not be better for him than asking how does he get the dole?

Just a thought.

Speedwell

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Would a post asking about the chances of a job for your mate and telling of his qualifications and experience not be better for him than asking how does he get the dole?

Just a thought.

That's a good question. In your experience, are such posts effective in getting help for a homeless person who needs assistance in the short term?

Dr Turk Turkelton

Speedwell wrote: »

That's a good question. In your experience, are such posts effective in getting help for a homeless person who needs assistance in the short term?

I'm not sure but I would imagine looking for a job and getting paid would be more productive than trying to sign on the dole in a country where you have no contributions paid in years.

jimmycrackcorm

Speedwell wrote:

That's a good question. In your experience, are such posts effective in getting help for a homeless person who needs assistance in the short term?

It might be more effective to tell him to go back to the UK and go back on the dole there until he can arrange for a job to move here to here.

Speedwell

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It might be more effective to tell him to go back to the UK and go back on the dole there until he can arrange for a job to move here to here.

Really? He's homeless and living in a tent. With what money is he going to travel?

stoplooklisten

Speedwell wrote: »

Really? He's homeless and living in a tent. With what money is he going to travel?

could you not loan him enough for a ryanair or the foot passenger on a boat/bus?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Speedwell wrote: »

That's a good question. In your experience, are such posts effective in getting help for a homeless person who needs assistance in the short term?

Why such a chip on your shoulder? The poster was trying to give some help. We don't have a lot of information to go on, maybe the OP could post in the Work & Jobs forum for some assistance. OP, maybe post there to see if you can get some help for your friend.

Speedwell wrote: »

Really? He's homeless and living in a tent. With what money is he going to travel?

I am finding it hard to believe that somebody would spend the last of his money getting to Ireland without lining up a job first.

If the OPs friend is living in a tent, I suggest a trip to SVP for some assistance. The local welfare officer might be able to help out too. Without an address, I doubt the guy will qualify for JSA.

rizzodun

Why do you think your mate is entitled to jsa when he moved from another country without lining up a job first?

Would you be as forgiving if another foreigner came to Ireland with the clothes on his back with the automatic assumption that the state will put him up?

If you're such a mate, why don't you bring him in off the streets?

CamperMan

I will also add that he WAS offered a job in ireland before coming here, only when he got to ireland and gave everything up in the UK, the firm told him plans had changed and there is no job for him, leaving him in a bad situation

rizzodun

Well then, seeing as he has no back up plan I guess it's time for him to head home. At least he can claim benefits there.

wokingvoter

Hi OP
Here's the reality.
Your friend has made no PRSI contributions here so he has to pass a lot of little "tests" before he can get financial help from the State here
You have to understand that tif the State agreed to give money to every single person who asks for it then we wouldn't last very long.
Your friend had to prove to them that Ireland is his "centre of interest" ie that he has no connection at all any more to UK
Well if he had a council flat in UK a baby in the UK a job in the UK and a UK drivers licence and a UK passport, probably a whole extended family and friends network as well, and no house here no family here no kids in school here no memberships of any clubs here no doctor here and nobody, no offence, except you, and you can't even offer him a sofa to lie on apparently so that he might even be able to give SW a permanent address, then Ireland is not his centre of interest and the best advice I can give you and he is that he go back and avail of his entitlements in the UK and there's nothing to stop him from lining up another job here and trying again.

La Haine

OP, how much is a bus ticket back up to Fermanagh? Maybe you could spot him the price of a ticket and let him stay with you up there?
Just a thought.

Nomis21

If he goes to any Social Welfare office in Ireland, they will arrange a one-way ferry ticket for him, free of charge, back to the UK.

I think at this point in time that is his best course of action.

CamperMan

a disgrace, a non EU citizen lands here and gets it all on a plate,

Speedwell

CamperMan wrote: »

a disgrace, a non EU citizen lands here and gets it all on a plate,

This non-EU citizen would like to know what the **** you're on about.

eeguy

CamperMan wrote: »

a disgrace, a non EU citizen lands here and gets it all on a plate,

There's a list of rules and criteria. If you meet them you get benefits.

Thems the rules. Call your TD if it matters that much to you.

All Americans Sound Camp

I strongly suggest you visit the SW office with your friend and state you wish to appeal this decision. It appears the welfare office failed to take into account the special status of the Common Travel Area when making his decision.

The Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 provides that: “…it shall be presumed, until the contrary is shown, that a person is not habitually resident in the State at the date of the making of the application concerned unless the person has been present in the State or any other part of the Common Travel Area for a continuous period of 2 years ending on that date.”

You need to appeal and ask to apply or SWA(supplementary Welfare Allowance) until the decision has been made. Print a copy of the act and show it to the officer.

Reiterate that your friend gave up his council flat and had a job lined up.

Good luck;ignore the haters.

mansize

CamperMan wrote: »

a disgrace, a non EU citizen lands here and gets it all on a plate,

Maybe if the UK vote Brexit he'll benefit from this

mansize

All Americans Sound Camp wrote: »

I strongly suggest you visit the SW office with your friend and state you wish to appeal this decision. It appears the welfare office failed to take into account the special status of the Common Travel Area when making his decision.

The Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 provides that: “…it shall be presumed, until the contrary is shown, that a person is not habitually resident in the State at the date of the making of the application concerned unless the person has been present in the State or any other part of the Common Travel Area for a continuous period of 2 years ending on that date.”

You need to appeal and ask to apply or SWA(supplementary Welfare Allowance) until the decision has been made. Print a copy of the act and show it to the officer.

Reiterate that your friend gave up his council flat and had a job lined up.

Good luck;ignore the haters.

Also other 4 requirements
http://www.flac.ie/download/pdf/habitual_residence_condition_guide_final.pdf

All Americans Sound Camp

It's sad that people are letting their hatred of British people get in the way of helping someone in dire straits.

If he goes back to the UK after this he could be denied benefits for 3 months and also have nowhere to live.

I'm pretty sure an appeal would be successful; at the very least he should get SWA for a while.

mansize

I have no hatred of British people or anyone else. The non EU comment I found repugnant tbf

foggy_lad

I find it hard to believe that someone would just "give up" a council flat, some people in similar situations sub-let them for far more than they are paying the council then go to Spain or Ireland only returning to the UK a few times a year to sort out new tenants etc

Jack Killian

CamperMan wrote: »

The dole told him in a letter that they will not give him jsa as his employment has not been established, they say his interest is stronger elsewhere than in the state.

He was on the dole here 7 years ago, now he has come back looking for work..

Why will they not give him dole, he has no money, gave up his flat in the uk, and is now so broke hes living in a tent

I'm even astonished that there's a chance he could get it, to be honest.

duffman13

All Americans Sound Camp wrote: »

It's sad that people are letting their hatred of British people get in the way of helping someone in dire straits.

If he goes back to the UK after this he could be denied benefits for 3 months and also have nowhere to live.

I'm pretty sure an appeal would be successful; at the very least he should get SWA for a while.

This is nonsense, the guy is probably getting more sympathy because he's British, if he was from any other country he would most likely be getting worse stick. It's absolutely ridiculous to move to a country with no job and try to sign on and get somewhere to live.

His best option would be to go to a social welfare office and get passage back to the UK if he doesn't meet the residential requirements. It's crazy someone would give up a council flat in there home country to move here for a job without a contract in place.

wokingvoter

Nomis21 wrote: »

If he goes to any Social Welfare office in Ireland, they will arrange a one-way ferry ticket for him, free of charge, back to the UK.

I think at this point in time that is his best course of action.

No they won't

jacksie66

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notadoctor

What do you expect he gave up the dole in england so he could claim the dole in ireland. He should get nothing but a one way ticket home.

Wanderer78

It's clearly obvious, he must starve to death!

pwurple

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's clearly obvious, he must starve to death!

Or maybe his mate, his family, or his own country could help him out?

I wouldn't land myself over in Spain, lámh out.

Wanderer78

pwurple wrote:

Or maybe his mate, his family, or his own country could help him out?

pwurple wrote:

I wouldn't land myself over in Spain, lámh out.

S*it happens, making him homeless probably won't help. Might just make the situation worse

Banjoxed

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It might be more effective to tell him to go back to the UK and go back on the dole there until he can arrange for a job to move here to here.

More cake, Sir?

_Brian

In fairness this is exactly the situation where most tax payers would feel that
money shouldn't be paid.
This person has made no contributions, has come here from another juristriction where he gave up a home and a source of income.

He really should go back and tell them he made a terrible mistake and get back on dole there again.

Is this what people call social welfare tourism ??

col.in.Cr

If I am not mistaken all he has to do is lodge an appeal and then visit the local welfare officer and he shall receive a payment.(if you say he is living with you)

RossieMan

Fair enough if he came here with a job lined up, but he didn't. Did he work in the UK since he moved back? Or is he just looking for a change of scenery? A benefits holiday?

gordongekko

Wanderer78 wrote: »

S*it happens, making him homeless probably won't help. Might just make the situation worse

**** is easily resolved by him going home as it appears he is not eligible to claim anything here.

deseil

CamperMan wrote: »

Speedwell wrote: »

They say lots of things. Sometimes you have to be persistent.

Thanks..

I was thinking maybe I should go in to the dole office with him, no offence to him, but he is not very bright..

his relationship with his partner ended 2 years ago, he has daughters that do not bother with hi, he gave up his council flat in the UK before coming to Ireland in May, he signed off the dole in the UK.. as well..

Heres his problem he gave up a council house and his dole in the Uk and came to a country currently in the midst of a housing crisis and expected hand outs.
Im sorry your friend is in this position but seriously he should not have left the uk until he knew he had secure employment here, it was a really dumb thing to do.

BabySlam

If he heads up to Northern Ireland, he can apply to the UK authorities there. If he is broke, maybe he could try hitching a left, which is not ideal, but he may be willing to chance it. Is he not interested in being near his children at all?

Milly33

Dya know I was going to say this yesterday, sorry OP but why in the name of god did your friend think he could come back to Ireland and go straight on the dole..It isn't even an typical assumption someone would make, unless this is the plan which it if is then bad plan..

He had a flat in the UK and somewhere to stay and he opted on coming back to Ireland and go on the dole while searching for work..Not a good plan at all at all

cee_jay

Mod Note:
OK a LOT of the posts on this thread fall short from the standard expected on this forum. People who post on this forum are often facing difficult personal circumstances. As such, the forum mods ask that posts should be constructive and helpful towards the questions related to claiming Social Welfare.

hdowney

Respectfully and politely I am going to have to agree with the posters who say the best thing for your friend is to head back to the UK.

I am very sorry that he lined up a job here and when he arrived they yanked it on him. That's bad form, but nothing can be done about it now. If he goes back to the UK and goes into a job centre and explains the situation - he left to come here with a job, arrived, job yanked, nothing else available etc so he had to come home - then I think he might get the 3mth exclusion period waivered. Where as I don't think the DSP here are going to do much for him.

Nomis21

wokingvoter wrote: »

No they won't

Since when? They did 2 years ago.

JohnDx

Tell him, to head to Tallaght, the social office up there are handing out money to anyone. Sure, he can get one of the new apartments adjacent to their offices, which the social office can arrange for him (hell, he won't have to travel far on sign on day).
If this fails, tell him to darken his skin, as I've yet to see a coloured person homeless here.

cee_jay

I am closing this thread as it seems posters cannot heed the on thread warning above.
OP if you friend is homeless, here is some info on Housing and Other Supports:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/losing_your_home/housing_options_for_homeless_people.html
He can speak with his Social Welfare Office about appealing the decision and other supports that may or may not be available to him. There have been some helpful posts on this thread which also may help.