The Football Qualifiers.

Xenophile

Some scenic trips involved here.

Fermanagh/Donegal travel to Wexford.
Waterford travel to Leitrim.
Limerick travel to Antrim.


1A Qualifiers...................................18/19 June

Laois v Armagh
Carlow v Wicklow
Derry v Loser of Louth/Meath
Leitrim v Waterford

1B Qualifiers....................................25/26 June

Down v Longford
Antrim v Limerick
Loser of Offaly/Westmeath v London
Wexford v Loser of Fermanagh/Donegal

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2a

4 1A winners vs
Loser of Dublin vs Louth/Meath
Loser of Kerry vs Clare
Loser of Tyrone vs Cavan
Loser of Roscommon vs Sligo

2b

4 1B winners vs
Loser of kildare vs Offaly/westmeath
Loser of Tipperary vs Cork
Loser of Galway vs Mayo
Loser of Mongahan vs Donegal/Fermanagh

Colm R

Why does the looser of Meath/Louth have to go out one week later. I'm sure this happened last year, and I thought we had fixed this - going into the qualifiers a week after loosing is very tough. And considering that at that point, it would have been 4 weeks since Derry exited Ulster.

This week sees the last two quarter finals take place in Leinster. The first quarter final was on May 22nd - 4 weeks before this weekend. And the loosers of that quarter, Wexford, are in the 1B, and hence don't play until the 25th of June. Its utter madness.

ebbsy

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andrew1977

Colm R wrote: »

Why does the looser of Meath/Louth have to go out one week later. I'm sure this happened last year, and I thought we had fixed this - going into the qualifiers a week after loosing is very tough. And considering that at that point, it would have been 4 weeks since Derry exited Ulster.

This week sees the last two quarter finals take place in Leinster. The first quarter final was on May 22nd - 4 weeks before this weekend. And the loosers of that quarter, Wexford, are in the 1B, and hence don't play until the 25th of June. Its utter madness.

I agree fully, absolute madness for either Louth or Meath to be playing again so soon .
It has now been fixed for Saturday 19th @ 5pm . Totally unfair on either team.

ArmaniJeanss

andrew1977 wrote: »

I agree fully, absolute madness for either Louth or Meath to be playing again so soon .
It has now been fixed for Saturday 19th @ 5pm . Totally unfair on either team.

Isn't it more a case that its absolute madness that the quarter final was scheduled for only a week before its linked qualifier round?

Like obviously its annoying for the loser of Louth/Meath and they won't really care who's to blame; but I think its important that the buck isn't passed to the overall schedule or to the A/B concept both of which actively seek to avoid this scenario.

It's clearly a Leinster Council issue that it wasn't scheduled for the weekends of either 28/05 or 04/06 which would have given Louth an acceptable 2 or 3 weeks since their 1st round tie, and then given them or Meath a 3 or 2 week break to the qualifier.

rpurfield

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Isn't it more a case that its absolute madness that the quarter final was scheduled for only a week before its linked qualifier round?

Like obviously its annoying for the loser of Louth/Meath and they won't really care who's to blame; but I think its important that the buck isn't passed to the overall schedule or to the A/B concept both of which actively seek to avoid this scenario.

It's clearly a Leinster Council issue that it wasn't scheduled for the weekends of either 28/05 or 04/06 which would have given Louth an acceptable 2 or 3 weeks since their 1st round tie, and then given them or Meath a 3 or 2 week break to the qualifier.

Was only saying this earlier, Meath haven't had a match in 10 weeks now. Could easily have been played last Sunday given the losers an extra week

Xenophile

More teams for the qualifiers since last weekend.

Louth
Offaly
Cork
Clare
Fermanagh
Sligo

Boom__Boom

Xenophile wrote: »

More teams for the qualifiers since last weekend.

Louth
Offaly
Cork
Clare
Fermanagh
Sligo

3 teams who stayed in their division - Offaly, Fermanagh, Sligo, 2 teams who got promoted- Clare and Louth and one who got relegated - Cork

Xenophile

Is this format still correct ?

Qualifiers

Round 1: All teams that fail to reach the semi-finals of their respective Provincial Championships (16 in total) compete in round one. An open draw system is used to divide the teams into eight individual match-ups. The winning eight teams progress to Round 2, while the losing eight teams are eliminated from the All Ireland Championship.

Round 2: Each of the eight winning teams of Round 1 are drawn against the eight losing teams from the semi-finals of the four Provincial Championships. The winning eight teams progress to Round 3, while the losing eight teams are eliminated from the All Ireland Championship.

Round 3: The eight winning teams from Round 2 are divided into four individual match-ups. An open draw is made to determine the four pairings. The winning four teams progress to Round 4, while the losing four teams are eliminated from the All Ireland Championship.

Round 4: Each of the four winning teams of Round 3 are drawn against the four losing teams from the finals of the four Provincial Championships. The winning four teams proceed to the All-Ireland Series, joining the four Provincial Champions, while the losing four teams are eliminated from the All Ireland Championship.

The All-Ireland Series

All-Ireland Quarter Finals: The four Provincial Champions are drawn against the winning four teams from Round 4 of the All-Ireland Qualifiers. The four winning teams qualify for the All-Ireland Semi-Finals.
All-Ireland Semi Finals: The winning four teams from the All-Ireland Quarter Finals play-off. The two winning teams qualify for the All-Ireland Final.
All-Ireland Final: The two remaining teams meet in the All-Ireland Final, usually on the third Sunday in September. The winning team is crowned All-Ireland Champions.

OldMrBrennan83

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Hurling Hereford

The throw-in time for the Laois v Armagh qualifier match tomorrow is 3:30 and the kick-off in the Ireland v Belgium is 2:00. What stooks in the GAA agreed to this? I'd say the turnout for the match will be small and victory for the Orchard County methinks.

See yer man Psycho Walsh is not starting for Laois after his little 'spat' with their team manager Mick Lillis.

Lillis in turn has picked his son Kieran at centre-half back.

The son by all accounts is no angel just like his dear daddy by all accounts.

ProudDUB

Shocking crowd in Portlaoise. It's so small, I can hear what the players and mgt are shouting to each other, even with the telly commentary. Some kind of a brain trust scheduled a game at this time. :rolleyes:

Dirty Dingus McGee

Decent enough game so far.Finishing isn't great but it's up and down the field and looks like it will be close all the way.

Great goal by Conor Meredith.

Boom__Boom

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Decent enough game so far.Finishing isn't great but it's up and down the field and looks like it will be close all the way.

Great goal by Conor Meredith.

Bit of an understatement there, with both sides into double digits with the wides.

Wonder if McGeeney will stay on

His championship record is 5 games, 4 losses - to Donegal, Galway, Tyrone and Laois and 1 win - over Wicklow. All 4 of the losses were ranged from brutal bad to fairly bad. Throw in the yoyoing league form and it's very hard to make the case that what he's doing is working.

OldMrBrennan83

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ProudDUB

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Bit of an understatement there, with both sides into double digits with the wides.

Wonder if McGeeney will stay on

His championship record is 5 games, 4 losses - to Donegal, Galway, Tyrone and Laois and 1 win - over Wicklow. All 4 of the losses were ranged from brutal bad to fairly bad. Throw in the yoyoing league form and it's very hard to make the case that what he's doing is working.

Doesn't matter. He is such an icon up there, excuses will continue to be made, that he just doesn't have the players. There is no stomach to seriously examine if he is up to the job tactically and technically. And with Brolly's latest circus act revolving around him, the wagons will be circled in his defense even more. :rolleyes:

Boom__Boom

ProudDUB wrote: »

Doesn't matter. He is such an icon up there, excuses will be made, that he just doesn't have the players. There is no stomach to seriously examine if he is up to the job tactically and tactically. And with Brolly's latest circus act revolving around him, the wagons will be circled in his defense even more. :rolleyes:

Yeah the best thing that happened McGeeney was Joe attacking him.
The thing I'm thinking about is would McGeeney maybe walk away himself?

ProudDUB

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Yeah the best thing that happened McGeeney was Joe attacking him.
The thing I'm thinking about is would McGeeney maybe walk away himself?

Yep. It's probably bought him another year. I think he already has a longish deal in place, so he's not obligated to step down. But the Brolly rants may have bought him another year, without any serious pressure on him to walk away of his own accord.

armaghlad

I hope he stays on. Truth be told, Armagh genuinely DO NOT have the players. You could have Mick O'Dwyer, Mickey Harte and Jesus over Armagh and they'd still be poor. I don't see the point in bringing in another manager who will have nothing new to work with and will probably bring nothing different to the table.

OldMrBrennan83

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armaghlad

Patww79 wrote: »

Maybe there'd be more options to work with if he wasn't there though.

Those "options" are no better than what is already available unfortunately.

ProudDUB

armaghlad wrote: »

I hope he stays on. Truth be told, Armagh genuinely DO NOT have the players. You could have Mick O'Dwyer, Mickey Harte and Jesus over Armagh and they'd still be poor. I don't see the point in bringing in another manager who will have nothing new to work with and will probably bring nothing different to the table.

So just indefinitely stick with a manager who is incapable of getting anything out of the players that he does have? For how long? If he wasn't Kieran McGeeney, would he be given this degree of latitude and tolerance? Sooner or later, you have to admit that something or someone just isn't working and go with another option. You won't know what someone else can bring to the table, unless you give them the opportunity.

armaghlad

ProudDUB wrote: »

So just indefinitely stick with a manager who is incapable of getting anything out of the players that he does have? For how long? If he wasn't Kieran McGeeney, would he be given this degree of latitude and tolerance? Sooner or later, you have to admit that something or someone just isn't working and go with another option. You won't know what someone else can bring to the table, unless you give them the opportunity.

No, let him see out the rest of his term. It's not like Armagh have a raft of star players that aren't performing, it's a limited squad playing very poorly. Change for the sake of change is pointless.

ProudDUB

Leave him in the job for three more years? Seriously? It wouldn't be change for changes sake. It would be changing a very unsuccessful manager for another possibly better one. Five years is a very, long time to stick with the same unsuccessful manager, all the while presuming that it's the players that are solely the problem.

OldMrBrennan83

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armaghlad

ProudDUB wrote: »

Leave him in the job for three more years? Seriously? It wouldn't be change for changes sake. It would be changing a very unsuccessful manager for another possibly better one. Five years is a very, long time to stick with the same unsuccessful manager, all the while presuming that it's the players that are solely the problem.

Presuming...? Ok it's not solely the players but it's not solely the manager either. Whatever about tactics, game plan etc, Armagh lack proven players in key positions. Changing manager won't change that. We are a small, mainly rural county, with too many clubs and too many small clubs at that. It's not like Dublin where if players aren't performing you can trial a number of lads who are playing well for whatever superclub is currently in vogue and introduce them seemlessly into O'Byrne, NFL etc. Fact is, Armagh do NOT have a big pool to choose from. Even if they did change manager, nobody will want it.

OldMrBrennan83

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armaghlad

Patww79 wrote: »

Still not a reason to put up with ineptitude. The players and manager are below par, but at least they can change the latter. Even if it's only a 10% chance of improving, 10% is still better than 0%.

Who would you bring in? Who would take it? What would they change? There will probably be retirements which will further weaken this crop of players. Hard to see what a new man would do..

OldMrBrennan83

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ProudDUB

armaghlad wrote: »

Presuming...? Ok it's not solely the players but it's not solely the manager either. Whatever about tactics, game plan etc, Armagh lack proven players in key positions. Changing manager won't change that. We are a small, mainly rural county, with too many clubs and too many small clubs at that. It's not like Dublin where if players aren't performing you can trial a number of lads who are playing well for whatever superclub is currently in vogue and introduce them seemlessly into O'Byrne, NFL etc. Fact is, Armagh do NOT have a big pool to choose from. Even if they did change manager, nobody will want it.

Pure guff. Two years ago, Armagh were in an AI quarter final and came to within 1 point of beating that years losing AI finalists. Now look at them. Can't be laying it all at the feet of a small pool of players to pull from. Which would be something the Cross lads would roll their eyes at, as they take a break from polishing all their medals.

armaghlad

ProudDUB wrote: »

Pure guff. Two years ago, Armagh were in an AI quarter final and came to within 1 point of beating that years losing AI finalists. Now look at them. Can't be laying it all at the feet of a small pool of players to pull from. Which would be something the Cross lads would roll their eyes at, as they take a break from polishing all their medals.

That was a one off and you know it. Every McK Cup/league/champ defeat since that quarter final, Armagh fans have used that same argument. We had no injuries, had a full pick, got a bit of luck and went on a good run. In fact, Armagh were relegated to Division 3 that year as well.

As for Crossmaglen, the players who can/should be there, are. The ones who retired, ruled themselves out or who simply aren't good enough, can polish away safe in the knowledge they wouldn't make much of a difference even if they were there today. Armagh simply lack marquee players and collectively are not good enough in this moment in time. That's nothing to do with mgmt nor a slight on them

ProudDUB

Right you are. It's all the players fault. All the time. Every time. The Cult of Kieran rolls on. No point even debating it anymore, if people refuse flat out to even consider that the manager may be one of the problems too.

WhiteWalls

Are mayo in the hat now after that defeat?

ProudDUB

Yep. The draw is on Morning Ireland on Monday I think.

ebbsy

Patww79 wrote: »

That needs to be made

What's the situation for Saturday looking like? Have many dropped out since Laois?

Just back from the match bud. It would seem that our players may have been out watching the soccer beforehand,as they certainly played like they had.

Steven81

2B teams are tasty Cork, Mayo, Donegal/ Monaghan and Westmeath/ Kildare. The winners of 1B will be guaranteed a hard game, definitely the harder side of the back door

Fr Tod Umptious

Steven81 wrote: »

2B teams are tasty Cork, Mayo, Donegal/ Monaghan and Westmeath/ Kildare. The winners of 1B will be guaranteed a hard game, definitely the harder side of the back door

Are you sure Cork are B

I think they are A, based on this
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1015/735132-gaa-championship-draw-2016/

armaghlad

ProudDUB wrote: »

Right you are. It's all the players fault. All the time. Every time. The Cult of Kieran rolls on. No point even debating it anymore, if people refuse flat out to even consider that the manager may be one of the problems too.

Kieran needs to buck up his ideas. No qualms about that. But he's not got a lot to work with, and that's just a fact of life. On another forum, someone listed 18 players who are either injured or unavailable this year. A small county like Armagh can't cope with that number of players out.

Hurling Hereford

armaghlad wrote: »

Presuming...? Ok it's not solely the players but it's not solely the manager either. Whatever about tactics, game plan etc, Armagh lack proven players in key positions. Changing manager won't change that. We are a small, mainly rural county, with too many clubs and too many small clubs at that. It's not like Dublin where if players aren't performing you can trial a number of lads who are playing well for whatever superclub is currently in vogue and introduce them seemlessly into O'Byrne, NFL etc. Fact is, Armagh do NOT have a big pool to choose from. Even if they did change manager, nobody will want it.

Would McConville or McEntee not be interested in 'that gig'?

Fr Tod Umptious

Why is this system so complicated.

Clare have been drawn against Laois in Round 2 A of the qualifiers.

Limerick, the team Clare beat in the Munster QF, are playing in Round 1 B.

Why are teams moving from A to B side of tje draw after their Munster Qfs ?

It does not happen in any other province.

By the way Round 2 A is

Sligo v Leitrim
Cavan/Tyrone v Carlow
Laois v Clarke
Derry v Meath/Dublin

Officer999

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Why is this system so complicated.

Clare have been drawn against Laois in Round 2 A of the qualifiers.

Limerick, the team Clare beat in the Munster QF, are playing in Round 1 B.


Why are teams moving from A to B side of tje draw after their Munster Qfs ?

It does not happen in any other province.

By the way Round 2 A is

Sligo v Leitrim
Cavan/Tyrone v Carlow
Laois v Clarke
Derry v Meath/Dublin

Should be an open draw, plain and simple

Xenophile

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Why is this system so complicated.

Clare have been drawn against Laois in Round 2 A of the qualifiers.

Limerick, the team Clare beat in the Munster QF, are playing in Round 1

Clare got to a Munster semi-final Limerick did not !

Xenophile

All-Ireland SFC qualifiers round 2A

(Home advantage for first team, fixtures to be played 2/3 July)

Sligo v Leitrim
Clare v Laois
Cavan/Tyrone v Carlow
Derry v Meath/Dublin

The qualifier system is fine and sometimes interesting. Fermanagh going to Wexford next week-end is novel. Hope that they get a fine day in the sunny south east !

Fr Tod Umptious

Xenophile wrote: »

Clare got to a Munster semi-final Limerick did not !

Yes I know that.
But Limerick are in B and now Clare are in A.

Why is that ?

London lost a Connacht QF to Mayo. And now quiet rightly both are in B.

Fermanagh lost a Ulster QF to Donegal and are now in B, and the loser of Monaghan v Donegal will also be in B.

Why do they swap them in Munster ?

Xenophile

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yes I know that.
But Limerick are in B and now Clare are in A.

Why is that ?

London lost a Connacht QF to Mayo. And now quiet rightly both are in B.

Fermanagh lost a Ulster QF to Donegal and are now in B, and the loser of Monaghan v Donegal will also be in B.

Why do they swap them in Munster ?

Does it really matter ?

Clare now have home advantage to Laois in both Hurling and Football on the same weekend. I wonder will they make it an all ticket double header ?

Fr Tod Umptious

Xenophile wrote: »

Does it really matter ?

Clare now have home advantage to Laois in both Hurling and Football on the same weekend. I wonder will they make it an all ticket double header ?

It does not really matter but why complicate the process.

As posted in this or another thread there is feck all info about the A and B side of the draw as it is.

ProudDUB

So when do Cork & Mayo find out who they play? Do another round of games have to be played, before their names go into the hat? My knowledge of the qualifiers wouldn't be great.

OldMrBrennan83

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Xenophile

ProudDUB wrote: »

So when do Cork & Mayo find out who they play? Do another round of games have to be played, before their names go into the hat? My knowledge of the qualifiers wouldn't be great.

Patww79 wrote: »

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Maybe this info can help, nobody has contradicted it so I assume it is accurate !

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100040716&postcount=10

liogairmhordain

the interesting one will be the draw for round 3B when it eventually comes to be made on the 11th of july. There's a chance that the four teams in the hat will be cork, mayo, monaghan and kildare with those two games to be played on the 16th of july.