Season 6 Episode 7 "The Broken Man" - Speculation Thread

Nody

See topic; please spoiler anything from interviews, books, trailers etc.

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RobbingBandit

Bran centric episode or could be Ser Loras as he seemed a broken man in the cell a few weeks back.

Degag

Or The Hound!

DANNY2014

Or hodor as a white Walker as a broken man

J. Marston

If we get the "Broken men" speech or a variation of it, I'll be very happy.

The Randy Riverbeast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq-97rH6P_8

House Mormont looks to be making an appearance. That bridge city is in Essos right?

nicki11

Looks like Osha and Theon will be needing more ships, maybe the Volantenes will give them ones so they can get rid of Dany. Though the Red Faith has a lot of followers so they could help, maybe pick up Arya on the way.

Jaime and Blackfish will talk, he'll refuse to surrender and then they will threaten Edmure, only question is if he'll give in.

Looking forward to the Mormonts, northerners have some of the most interesting lines and don't bs. Davos will probably pull his usual routine, they don't seem to be swaying the other side, he makes and speech and they follow whoever he promotes.

Would be interesting if Jorahs sister shows up considering shes described as being wild and like a bear. Might be a good friend to Brienne as shes described similarly also that seems to be Tormunds type.

ambid

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

House Mormont looks to be making an appearance. That bridge city is in Essos right?

Yep - that's the Long Bridge of old Volantis in Essos.

Does anyone know who owns the sigil at 17 seconds in the trailer - the white fist on red background?

Tigger

J. Marston wrote: »

If we get the "Broken men" speech or a variation of it, I'll be very happy.

if so it'll be Brothers without Banners time.
I'd prefer the Hound tho

“is a broken man an outlaw?"

"More or less." Brienne answered.

Septon Meribald disagreed. "More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war.

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And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don't know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they're fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world...

"And the man breaks.

"He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them...but he should pity them as well”

Mr Velo

ambid wrote: »

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

House Mormont looks to be making an appearance. That bridge city is in Essos right?

Yep - that's the Long Bridge of old Volantis in Essos.

Does anyone know who owns the sigil at 17 seconds in the trailer - the white fist on red background?

That's the Glover sigil isn't it?

Duckworth_Luas

Edmure Tully = Broken man

Tigger

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq-97rH6P_8

House Mormont looks to be making an appearance. That bridge city is in Essos right?

Bronn is back

astrofool

Is that GreatJon Umber at 0:17? Looks like him, just less bearded

ambid

Mr Velo wrote: »

That's the Glover sigil isn't it?

So a glove is the sigil of house Glover? I really should have been able to figure that out!

lbj666

find it interesting in that clip that Davos talking to the mormonts about the undead and not Jon who was Jeors steward and has actually seen the dead.

EagererBeaver

Following on from Bran's vision and Qyburn's return, here's a question.

Can wyldfire kill white walkers/others?

Conall Cernach

astrofool wrote: »

Is that GreatJon Umber at 0:17? Looks like him, just less bearded

He looks more like Tim McInnerny to me rather than Clive Mantel.

nicki11

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Following on from Bran's vision and Qyburn's return, here's a question.

Can wyldfire kill white walkers/others?

Its magical so it might work and would be able to wipe out the army as it burns all it comes into contact with. Put it in some trebuchets, hit the middle some burst into flame, touch others they burn too soon their whole army smolders. Don't know if it could take out the white walkers but it could take out the whights and then dragons, valyrian steel or obsidian could take out the white walkers.

Mr Freeze

Will the Blackfish survive the episode? Probably not, given the way they are cleaning house and getting rid of minor/secondary characters this season.

Avatar MIA

Can anyone name a male in the entire series that couldn't be described as the Broken man?

dinorebel

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Can anyone name a male in the entire series that couldn't be described as the Broken man?

Bronn

hardCopy

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Will the Blackfish survive the episode? Probably not, given the way they are cleaning house and getting rid of minor/secondary characters this season.

Could the Blackfish be the end of Jaime? "Broken man" being the one handed swordsman?

Duckworth_Luas

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Can anyone name a male in the entire series that couldn't be described as the Broken man?

Hot Pie

Nalz

ambid wrote: »

So a glove is the sigil of house Glover? I really should have been able to figure that out!

but there is a bear one seconds before that on the wall when Sanza is talking

intheclouds

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Can anyone name a male in the entire series that couldn't be described as the Broken man?

Tormund.
Bronn.
Mace Tyrell.
Grand Maester Pycelle.
Daario.
The Blackfish.
Walder Frey.
Dolorous Edd.
Wun Wun.

dinorebel

intheclouds wrote: »

Tormund. Brienne will break him in half.
Bronn.:cool:
Mace Tyrell - not sure he qualifies as a man.
Grand Maester Pycelle . - Was broken by Tyrion and thrown in a cell.
Daario. You could argue the 2nd actor broke the 1st.
The Blackfish. Red Wedding anyone?
Walder Frey. Would you even notice seeing misery is his default setting?
Dolorous Edd. ,Good call.
Wun Wun.:D

Avatar MIA

intheclouds wrote: »

Tormund.
Bronn.
Mace Tyrell.
Grand Maester Pycelle.
Daario.
The Blackfish.
Walder Frey.
Dolorous Edd.
Wun Wun.

Okay apart from Bronn... (insert monthy python sketch)...

Tormund - It could be argued he's broken from the point of view that for most of his life he hated the Southerners "anyone south of the wall", but accepted he couldn't survive without them.

Bronn - When he "betrayed" his friend, Tyrion for the better lifestyle he was becoming accustomed to, he looked broken.

Mace Tyrell - He's an embarrassment - pretty much everyone knows this - if not himself. He's a shell of the person he's expected to be.

Grand Maester Pycelle, has broken promises of his profession, and seems afraid for his life in almost every scene.

Darrio - half the man he was, pretty much a lap dog of Dany

Blackfish - hard one alright, but he's less of a man with his missing fingers.

Walder Frey - he's only relatively recently got some backbone (post red wedding) and he still has an inferiority complex.

Dolorous Edd - Not the most confident person, but hard to describe as broken to be fair. But, if broken it's hardly going to be newsworthy, it's almost a certainty Castle Black will fall.

Wun Wun - Not sure falls under the category of man.

intheclouds

Its Davos not Blackfish missing fingers!!

I forgot to add - Ramsay - he aint broke yet

Avatar MIA

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Hot Pie

But a boy, and as a follow up to Dolorous Ed.

Most if not all the Night's Watch could be considered broken men. Most were sent there for being rapists/murderers.

And those that thought it a noble cause (Jon) would have been disillusioned soon after arriving.

Dolorous Ed, he has seen what little honour that remained of the night's watch shattered once Jon (His Lord Commander) was "killed" by fellow Night's Watch men. He certainly looked pretty broken in the room guarding Jon's "dead" body.

Avatar MIA

intheclouds wrote: »

Its Davos not Blackfish missing fingers!!

I forgot to add - Ramsay - he aint broke yet

As a man he's pretty broken. You might get a pass on Blackfish

PressRun

I assume there'll be a bit of action at Riverrun this episode. Brienne vying for the Blackfish's support on behalf of Jon and Sansa and the Freys and Lannisters trying to get him to yield. I would have thought the broken man would be Edmure Tully or possibly the Blackfish will be broken when the Freys/Lannisters threaten to kill Edmure?

Flying Abruptly

It could maybe refer to the Faceless Men, they like calling themselves a 'Man', a 'Girl', etc. Arya could do something to Jaqen and he becomes the 'Broken Man'.

Avatar MIA

Flying Abruptly wrote: »

It could maybe refer to the Faceless Men, they like calling themselves a 'Man', a 'Girl', etc. Arya could do something to Jaqen and he becomes the 'Broken Man'.

I really liked that character that plays the faceless man in season 1, he's just so bloody boring now, washing dead corpses. :rolleyes:

EagererBeaver

Nalz wrote: »

but there is a bear one seconds before that on the wall when Sanza is talking

A bear!

Conall Cernach

I think it will be The Hound as in Westeros a "broken man" is another way of saying deserter, which we know The Hound technically is as he legged it from the battle of the Blackwater. This will set up Cleganebowl for episode 8 or 9, 9 possibly being a dual hander between the Cleganes and Bastardbowl in the North.

amos13

The broken men are bandits are they not? Now if only we knew of a group of outlaw bandits whose plot line seemed unfinished and who we'd all like to see make a return to the show at some point.......Hmmmm......

GottaGetGatt

I would have though Jamie was the Broken Man since its obvious the Blackfish wont give a toss of what he has to say because Jamie no longer has his sword hand.

Degag

Conall Cernach wrote: »

I think it will be The Hound as in Westeros a "broken man" is another way of saying deserter, which we know The Hound technically is as he legged it from the battle of the Blackwater. This will set up Cleganebowl for episode 8 or 9, 9 possibly being a dual hander between the Cleganes and Bastardbowl in the North.

If it's The Hound, i'd imagine its a nod to the fact he was broken the last time we saw him rather than deserting at the Blackwater.

intheclouds

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

I would have though Jamie was the Broken Man since its obvious the Blackfish wont give a toss of what he has to say because Jamie no longer has his sword hand.

Id say the Blackfish wouldn't give a toss about what Jaime has to say regardless of how many hands he has.

Savage Tyrant

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Can anyone name a male in the entire series that couldn't be described as the Broken man?

"A man" is not broken.

Mr Velo

Anyone think that the "re-introduction" we were given to the 2 Frey lads by Lord Walder (the guy that stabbed Robs missus, and the guy that cut Cat's throat) is pointing out that we should remember who they are?

Could LS appear to get her revenge on them in the Riverlands??

DeadHand

intheclouds wrote: »

Id say the Blackfish wouldn't give a toss about what Jaime has to say regardless of how many hands he has.

True, the Freys, with the backing of the Lannisters, murdered his niece (who he was particularly close to), grandnephew and scores of his friends and relatives in one of the most brutal, dishonorable ways imaginable.

To an old school warrior like the Blackfish this is unforgivable. The Freys will try to use Edmure as leverage- but I expect BF will ignore them, knowing full well that, the Freys being the Freys, they'll likely massacre him and the garrison as soon as they concede and murder Edmure anyway.

He'll fight like a dog and he'll fight till the end.

The next episode is looking interesting- reckon we'll get to see some of the minor houses (Glovers, Mormonts) come to the fore as well as the welcome returns of Bronn and BF. Loads of diplomacy and political maneuvering- maybe even a little action. If Bronn is on the scene, it's safe to assume people are going to die horribly.

Battlelines are being drawn, alliances forged and many of our "heroes" will be finding themselves on opposing sides.

EagererBeaver

amos13 wrote: »

The broken men are bandits are they not? Now if only we knew of a group of outlaw bandits whose plot line seemed unfinished and who we'd all like to see make a return to the show at some point.......Hmmmm......

You're thinking of the brotherhood without Banners.

Avatar MIA

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

"A man" is not broken.

It looks like their former selves have to be broken before they become the faceless ones. Once broken...

And yes, I and everyone else read your line in his voice

PIORUN

Based in Ian McShanes interview it has to be book spoiler

LS

back from the dead....." a much loved character"....the Hound was hardly much loved!

amos13

PIORUN wrote:

Based in Ian McShanes interview it has to be LS back from the dead....." a much loved character"....the Hound was hardly much loved!

And we handily have two Frey's, one Brienne and one Jaime Lannister on their way to riverrun.

intheclouds

PIORUN wrote: »

Based in Ian McShanes interview it has to be LS back from the dead....." a much loved character"....the Hound was hardly much loved!

Are you serious?

He was a massive fan favourite, a hugely complex character who went from simply being Joffreys henchman to trying to protect Loras Tyrell from the Mountain to trying to help Sansa anyway he could, and then to being almost a father figure to Arya - at which point we really got an insight into who he was and why he was the way he was.

Given his background is it any wonder he ended up how he did?

Book spoiler:

Who loved Catelyn Stark? She was a moany old bint who was mean to Jon Snow his whole life just because her husband betrayed her. If its LS Ill be eating every f**king chicken in sight.

Bandana boy

PIORUN wrote: »

..the Hound was hardly much loved!

He is defo in top 10 most loved characters on the Show , look at the amount of Memes and fan pics done with him .

Hound and Ayra storyline is tied with Tyrion and Bronn as my fav parts of the show

Conall Cernach

Bandana boy wrote: »

He is defo in top 10 most loved characters on the Show , look at the amount of Memes and fan pics done with him .

Hound and Ayra storyline is tied with Tyrion and Bronn as my fav parts of the show

Arya: Lots of people name their swords.
The Hound: Lots of c*nts.

Tazzimus

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Arya: Lots of people name their swords.
The Hound: Lots of c*nts.

Best line of the show right there.

dinorebel

Tazzimus wrote: »

Best line of the show right there.

"No cure for being a c**t" beats it Bronn v the Hound has to happen.