Unemployment down to 8%

So anything to do with the government or not?

Will we get back to 5% unemployment which is more or less full employment

How come we are doing so well now but Greece and Spain has huge youth unemployment.

I wonder whether the figures take into account how many young people left the country.

Winterlong

I wonder what the figures would be if job bridge were included.

OfflerCrocGod

It's more fun to complain and gripe.

Winterlong

Winterlong wrote: »

I wonder what the figures would be if job bridge were included.

But they are not, It appeaser no matter how some try to spin it unemployment is falling rapidity in the Irish economy.

The latest spin I have come acreoss is along the line of ...some jobs are not worth having.

SEPT 23 1989

stricter criteria in Spain and Greece to be actually considered employed

Corholio

I find it a lot more fun to actually have detailed breakdown of the figure rather than just 1 solitary percentage which could be made up of variables. It's good to see don't get me wrong, but you can either be realistic or you can take the bare minimum information and be delighted with it.

Taxburden carrier

It's less fun to discover the true figure

_Brian

I'd say those tied up on job bridge, internships, any training, job path, gateway, RSS, job initiative, tus, & ce who are really unemployed would bolster up the numbers well.

Things are improving in major urban areas but outside that the numbers are heavily massaged to look as they are.

Corholio

Corholio wrote: »

I find it a lot more fun to actually have detailed breakdown of the figure rather than just 1 solitary percentage which could be made up of variables. It's good to see don't get me wrong, but you can either be realistic or you can take the bare minimum information and be delighted with it.

Yes that is true but how does it relate to unemployment falling as a phenomena. The vast majority of people know there are different rates of unemployment by age and occupation.

Lollipops23

Back in the days of deep recession I'd say 50% of my friends were unemployed. I was working in a bookies, having just graduated from college.
Now I'd say about 98% of my friends are mean fully employed (as in, not 6 hrs a week in a shop).
I myself just left one decent job for a better one. I'm certainly not unique- whatever way you slice it, the jobs market is way up from 4 years ago.
And I know 3 people who secured great jobs from their job bridge roles.
Some people just want to piss and moan though.

Winterlong

mariaalice wrote: »

Yes that is true but how does it relate to unemployment falling as a phenomena. The vast majority of people know there are different rates of unemployment by age and occupation.

True, but lets not forget 'location'. This is a dublin led recovery...many smaller towns and rural areas are not seeing any of this recovery.

Captain Chaos

mariaalice wrote: »

How come we are doing so well now but Greece and Spain has huge youth unemployment.

Because in Dublin anyway the building boom is back on, most of these new jobs are all in construction.

There are new houses being built, old sites being finished and new apartment blocks going up around the city.

There is alot of multinational work going on too with the likes of Google and Amazon buying new buildings and land to build on while upgrading existing buildings.

JustTheOne

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder whether the figures take into account how many young people left the country.

1 out of 7 people who emigrated were unemployed at the time.

kneemos

_Brian wrote: »

I'd say those tied up on job bridge, internships, any training, job path, gateway, RSS, job initiative, tus, & ce who are really unemployed would bolster up the numbers well.

Things are improving in major urban areas but outside that the numbers are heavily massaged to look as they are.

All of those were there several years ago when unemployment was at 15%.

Lets not have good news make us positive.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Because in Dublin anyway the building boom is back on, most of these new jobs are all in construction.

There are new houses being built, old sites being finished and new apartment blocks going up around the city.

There is alot of multinational work going on too with the likes of Google and Amazon buying new buildings and land to build on while upgrading existing buildings.

Is there? I haven't seen much of that

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder whether the figures take into account how many young people left the country.

We have an increasing population.

Iwasfrozen

Winterlong wrote: »

True, but lets not forget 'location'. This is a dublin led recovery...many smaller towns and rural areas are not seeing any of this recovery.

Then move, you can't expect the best of both worlds.

Captain Chaos

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Is there? I haven't seen much of that

I'm right in the middle of it, in the past 18 months we have tripled our staff. Our problem is we are too top heavy and can't get any decent trainees who actually want to hold down a job and learn.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

I'd say those tied up on job bridge, internships, any training, job path, gateway, RSS, job initiative, tus, & ce who are really unemployed would bolster up the numbers well.

Things are improving in major urban areas but outside that the numbers are heavily massaged to look as they are.

How are they massaged by the CSO

Winterlong

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Then move, you can't expect the best of both worlds.

Why would I want to move? I have a job and live in a place that I like?

eeguy

Winterlong wrote: »

True, but lets not forget 'location'. This is a dublin led recovery...many smaller towns and rural areas are not seeing any of this recovery.

They didn't see any of the boom either.

Just constant recession since the 80's.

Iwasfrozen

Winterlong wrote: »

Why would I want to move? I have a job and live in a place that I like?

Well then you're happy out.

_Brian

mariaalice wrote: »

How are they massaged by the CSO

They're not reported as unemployed and when finished on their scheme aren't considered long term unemployed for another year.

So massage long term unemployed numbers by cycling them through tus.

mahoganygas

mariaalice wrote: »

So anything to do with the government or not?

The government is the largest employer in the state.

mariaalice wrote: »

How come we are doing so well now but Greece and Spain has huge youth unemployment.

Spain have gone months without a government.

Greece's economy is still in the toilet with no signs of that changing any time soon.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Captain Chaos wrote: »

I'm right in the middle of it, in the past 18 months we have tripled our staff. Our problem is we are too top heavy and can't get any decent trainees who actually want to hold down a job and learn.

O I have no doubt that the number of people in work is on the up, me included, but I meant about the construction? Maybe you work in construction and I am totally missing your point.

kneemos

mariaalice wrote: »

So anything to do with the government or not?

Will we get back to 5% unemployment which is more or less full employment

How come we are doing so well now but Greece and Spain has huge youth unemployment.

Probably despite Government policies rather than because of anything they've done.

Would the nay sayers be a bit more specific is it that:


Just do no believe it
or
It is incorrect because of the way long term unemployment is counted
or
Would like to believe it is not correct juts because.
or
Would like to believe it is all because of job bridge emigration ect.

Or a combination of all of the above.

The Randy Riverbeast

Things are improving but with all the schemes where people who are unemployed get take off and those who weren't getting JSA/B I don't think it is as low as claimed.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder whether the figures take into account how many young people left the country.

Employment is also up about 2.5% compared to the same period last year - that figure isn't really impacted by emigration, but may be by immigration.

Bongalongherb

Yes, unemployment is down big-time, the government want it down to 6% and thus would be full employment according to them. Not bad considering how the many that got back to work had to take the stigma and attacks for being unemployed in the first place of which was not of their own making.

All of those thousands of folk that are back in work now had to take an awful degrading beating from FG & Labour and folk here calling them scroungers for being unemployed, and now it is shown that the majority just akin to the boom years shows that they want to work and as such work now as the statistics show.

I was in that position myself looked upon as a scrounger for being unemployed, but I up-skilled and moved ahead like the rest. I won't forget the certain **** from boards.ie that went full force ahead to degrade any-one that was unemployed throughout the previous recession to this day.

kneemos

mariaalice wrote: »

Would the nay sayers be a bit more specific is it that:


Just do no believe it
or
It is incorrect because of the way long term unemployment is counted
or
Would like to believe it is not correct juts because.
or
Would like to believe it is all because of job bridge emigration ect.

Or a combination of all of the above.

Just can't take good news maan.

aido79

Winterlong wrote: »

True, but lets not forget 'location'. This is a dublin led recovery...many smaller towns and rural areas are not seeing any of this recovery.

Many smaller towns and rural areas never saw any of the boom either during the Celtic tiger.The figures shows that the economy as a whole is improving.

Winterlong

aido79 wrote: »

Many smaller towns and rural areas never saw any of the boom either during the Celtic tiger.The figures shows that the economy as a whole is improving.

And that is my point. Give us more granularity in the figures so we see where is doing well and focus attention on the areas not doing so well.
Better that then allowing the government keep slapping themselves on the back for a job well done. Keep them on their toes.

deadybai

What are the government going to do when we reach 4% unemployment (i.e full employment)

Are they just going to ignore the fact that thosands (and I mean thousands) of people are still doing sh!tty courses and jobridge etc.? Are they really going to say we have achieved our goal and that we are booming again?

Apart from Dublin, the country is up sh!t creek. I still know more and more young people who have left the country and those who stayed and are in jobs, are in low paid ones. In fact only one young person that is a friend living in Ireland has a proper 'career' and shes a teacher.

Living in the South East myself and while the situation has improved a small bit, its still very bad.

For anyone who follows waterfordwhispers news and isn't from the South East may not have fully understood the following article which was published last week but I can assure you that this is a very accurate description of Clonmel. Absolutely shocking!

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/05/18/clonmel-town-closing-down-sale-begins/

Hollister11

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Back in the days of deep recession I'd say 50% of my friends were unemployed. I was working in a bookies, having just graduated from college.
Now I'd say about 98% of my friends are mean fully employed (as in, not 6 hrs a week in a shop).
I myself just left one decent job for a better one. I'm certainly not unique- whatever way you slice it, the jobs market is way up from 4 years ago.
And I know 3 people who secured great jobs from their job bridge roles.
Some people just want to piss and moan though.

This * 1000


Ever notice how its only the people on handouts who moan about the country and government. They won't go out and get a job, but moan about every initiative the country introduces.

Bongalongherb

In all fairness, there are many thousands across all counties working in TUS/Gateway and other schemes that are taken off the DSP register. TUS is a 19.5 hour per week work placement that lasts 1 year, and Gateway is 19.5 hours per week working for two years for the €188.00 with a €20 top-up. These folk that are in these placements are considered employed and are struck off the jobseekers register/stats. Basically, they are not counted in the register stats.

First Up

deadybai wrote:

For anyone who follows waterfordwhispers news and isn't from the South East may not have fully understood the following article which was published last week but I can assure you that this is a very accurate description of Clonmel. Absolutely shocking!

I assume this is intended as a joke.

aido79

Winterlong wrote: »

And that is my point. Give us more granularity in the figures so we see where is doing well and focus attention on the areas not doing so well.
Better that then allowing the government keep slapping themselves on the back for a job well done. Keep them on their toes.

What sort of breakdown would you like to see? By county? By town? By suburb? By industry?
What do you think this would achieve and how would it keep the government on their toes?

Shurimgreat

When the country is going badly its all Enda Kenny's/the government's fault. When its going well its not because of them.

The truth is somewhere in between but you know what I mean. People rush to criticise, and are silent when its time to compliment. I expect the same to follow here.

Winterlong

aido79 wrote: »

What sort of breakdown would you like to see? By county? By town? By suburb? By industry?
What do you think this would achieve and how would it keep the government on their toes?

I would have thought it was self explanatory to be honest.
But we should be measuring unemployment of any claimants who are available for any work by county and by medium/large urban areas.
So the government report on this and actions to tackle unemployment/under employment are more specifically targeted than they are today. And they dont get away with congratulating themselves on a national figure that is skewed by our one large urban centre/

murpho999

mariaalice wrote: »

So anything to do with the government or not?

Will we get back to 5% unemployment which is more or less full employment

How come we are doing so well now but Greece and Spain has huge youth unemployment.

Of course it's to do with the governement and its policies.

As for Greece and Spain, do you not think it's possible that Ireland has just handled it better and is now reaping the benefits?

aido79

Winterlong wrote: »

I would have thought it was self explanatory to be honest.
But we should be measuring unemployment of any claimants who are available for any work by county and by medium/large urban areas.
So the government report on this and actions to tackle unemployment/under employment are more specifically targeted than they are today. And they dont get away with congratulating themselves on a national figure that is skewed by our one large urban centre/

You do realise that most jobs in the country aren't actually created by the government? How do you propose the government can specifically target certain areas?

Bongalongherb

All thanks to the 2/2.5% corporation tax for multinationals, that was the key that opened the door for these multinationals to create thousands of jobs here and afar across the country.

mahoganygas

Winterlong wrote: »

So the government report on this and actions to tackle unemployment/under employment are more specifically targeted than they are today. And they dont get away with congratulating themselves on a national figure that is skewed by our one large urban centre/

The government do not report this. The CSO reports it on a quarterly basis, regardless of who is in government.

Why is the government criticised for congratulating themselves when unemployment is down, when the opposition spent the last 5 years slamming the government over high unemployment?

Any decision to report unemployment figures on anything other than a national average is the CSO's choice, and their choice alone. Keep in mind, it is in line with international best practice.

Winterlong

aido79 wrote: »

You do realise that most jobs in the country aren't actually created by the government? How do you propose the government can specifically target certain areas?

Initiatives. Expansionary Fiscal Policy. Taxbreaks for new businesses in deprived areas....there are lots a government can do that is not building the latest folly.

Shurimgreat

Given that Greece is currently run by AAA-PBP's more moderate cousins Syriza, I'm glad we aren't run in a similar manner.

catbear

Plenty of returned immigrants like myself in work.

Near me the black spots tend to be where the only work previously was building houses that would one day be unemployment black spots.

kneemos

Winterlong wrote: »

I would have thought it was self explanatory to be honest.
But we should be measuring unemployment of any claimants who are available for any work by county and by medium/large urban areas.
So the government report on this and actions to tackle unemployment/under employment are more specifically targeted than they are today. And they dont get away with congratulating themselves on a national figure that is skewed by our one large urban centre/

I've seen figures for my town and county previously.
No doubt they're freely available if you care to look.

Bongalongherb

Another thing is that there will be many more folk employed when this government gives the full go-ahead to renovate most of those 250,000 abandoned houses across the land. The unemployment percentage will be even lower, and it will continue to get lower again when wages are increased and USC is lowered and possibly a lower VAT scenario.

If wages are brought to near enough the living wage then folk will be running out to do any job. Just like what happened in the boom years. Make it worthwhile and every-one will want to work.

Shurimgreat

Bongalongherb wrote: »

All thanks to the 2/2.5% corporation tax for multinationals, that was the key that opened the door for these multinationals to create thousands of jobs here and afar across the country.

And the Hard Left here want to raise the Corporation tax.