25 Syrian families to be housed in Limerick

stefanovich

According to the Limerick Post 25 Syrian families are to be housed in Limerick this year as part of an EU initiative with many more to follow.

What are people's thoughts on this? Where will they be housed? Will they be added to the top or the bottom of the housing list? Will they be properly screened?

Ohbethehokey

Top of the housing list, no screening, that's my prediction

crusha101

This could go one of two ways tbh. I think a lot of people believe these Syrian immigrants to be uncivilized and poorly educated and that will lead to a lot of unjust hate but what some people don't understand is that these immigrants are teachers and engineers and nurses who are escaping a war zone.( that wasn't aimed at any posts on this thread but it is aimed at potential posts). If the system was fair and just then these people will be screened and will be fairly placed on the housing list but unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world and i believe the Syrians will be mostly un-screened and will be placed on top of the housing list.

VikingG

Hardly a huge influx.....

ShiddyArze

VikingG wrote:

Hardly a huge influx.....

25 families, about 8 or 9 kids each, its enough.. A lot of Irish people move down the housing lists for them

Tefral

I would say no problem, however they should be spread as far apart from each other as possible. The worst thing that could happen is they are given houses in groups alongside each other. They wont integrate otherwise.

Of course this is my uneducated opinion on the matter, however I have lived in the UK and what tends to happen is that small pockets of them form their own little community and they will become insular. If they are given the opportunity to live and work amongst the community then brilliant.

Don't forget once they become naturalised, they are allowed bring close family over, so if an Aunt/uncle etc were living with them in Syria, they are also entitled to come here under EU Rules.

Walter H Price

Smart thinking by the government on dumping them in Limerick they'll be running back to Aleppo in no time hahahaha

love humanity

We can help refugees from Syria in the neighbouring safe war free countries they are currently in. No need to move them all over to Europe. That's a failed policy. I can't wait for the EU to collapse so we can get our sovereignty back and not be told to do rubbish that doesn't work by non Irish people in a parliament in Belgium.

crusha101

ShiddyArze wrote: »

crusha101 wrote:

This could go one of two ways tbh. I think a lot of people believe these Syrian immigrants to be uncivilized and poorly educated and that will lead to a lot of unjust hate but what some people don't understand is that these immigrants are teachers and engineers and nurses who are escaping a war zone.( that wasn't aimed at any posts on this thread but it is aimed at potential posts). If the system was fair and just then these people will be screened and will be fairly placed on the housing list but unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world and i believe the Syrians will be mostly un-screened and will be placed on top of the housing list.

And you know this how? A lot of these Syrians also think they can molest women for not covering up.

You have proved my point perfectly.

Ohbethehokey

ShiddyArze wrote: »

And you know this how? A lot of these Syrians also think they can molest women for not covering up.

They've the whole culture imbalance where requests must be deferred to the man

_Brian

Integration is a two way street. No matter what their need not how well screened they are I doubt they will be accepted to the level where integration will be easy for them.
In areas where poor integration occurs you find as much the problem with the host country as any other. France would be a good example of this where hoards of non nationals are banished to suburbs and then no investment in education, integration or employment is made, not much wonder these groups become insular.

I think limiting the numbers placed together is a good idea to help, but Irish people need to be genuinely open to them coming and give them a fair chance, something I fear won't really happen.

El_Duderino 09

love humanity wrote:

We can help refugees from Syria in the neighbouring safe war free countries they are currently in. No need to move them all over to Europe. That's a failed policy. I can't wait for the EU to collapse so we can get our sovereignty back and not be told to do rubbish that doesn't work by non Irish people in a parliament in Belgium.

Ironic username on purpose?

cronin_j wrote:

I would say no problem, however they should be spread as far apart from each other as possible. The worst thing that could happen is they are given houses in groups alongside each other. They wont integrate otherwise.

Exactly this. I don't have a problem with Ireland taking refugees but if I were in charge I'd make sure they agree that they MUST learn English and they MUST integrate.

If that happened then there would he no problem. They could integrate their way if life into an Irish setting and nobody would really care. Lots of families have different ways of going on and we don't care as long as they can eventually get a job and have a chat in the shop. They would be just like regular folk.

love humanity

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ironic username on purpose?



Exactly this. I don't have a problem with Ireland taking refugees but if I were in charge I'd make sure they agree that they MUST learn English and they MUST integrate.

If that happened then there would he no problem. They could integrate their way if life into an Irish setting and nobody would really care. Lots of families have different ways of going on and we don't care as long as they can eventually get a job and have a chat in the shop. They would be just like regular folk.

Being realistic. The influx of millions of men from very mysogynistic cultures have wreaked havoc on the quality of life, personal safety and freedom of women in germany, austria, sweden and denmark and more.
The only logical solution i see is, spending BILLIONS to look after and care for the migrants in the war free safe areas where they are now, such as Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey etc.. Focus the money there and care for them. When Syria reaches peace again, build up the country like there is no tomorrow and then they can go back home and create a happy life there again.
There are literally millions of ways of helping less fortunate people in other countries without inviting them all over to live with us.

panda100

cronin_j wrote: »

I would say no problem, however they should be spread as far apart from each other as possible. The worst thing that could happen is they are given houses in groups alongside each other. They wont integrate otherwise.

This is already a real issue in Limerick with 51-60% of the entire migrant population concentrated into very specific areas within the city centre.

I think it's a good move that Limerick is doing their bit to support refugees fleeing from desperate situations. I think more cultures and nationalities will ultimately enrich life in Limerick.

ShiddyArze

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

If that happened then there would he no problem. They could integrate their way if life into an Irish setting and nobody would really care. Lots of families have different ways of going on and we don't care as long as they can eventually get a job and have a chat in the shop. They would be just like regular folk.

Regular folk don't wear masks over there face, They don't attack women for not wearing said mask. Regular folk allow there women to work and to do things without being accompanied by a man..

The problem is Islam I think, I am not religious, but I wouldn't mind Syrian Christians, Its the Muslims I wouldn't like to see living next door

love humanity

panda100 wrote: »

Post reported. That is some (presumably made up) assertion to make about an entire population. What exactly do you base it on? An article in the Limerick Post or The Daily Mail?



This is already a real issue in Limerick with 51-60% of the entire migrant population concentrated into very specific areas within the city centre.

I think it's a good move that Limerick is doing their bit to support refugees fleeing from desperate situations. I think more cultures and nationalities will ultimately enrich life in Limerick.

Why post a report there? He didn't say the entire population, he said a lot. And it has proven true in Cologne on NYE and other capitals of Europe that night. Not to mention the daily sexual assaults by men from these cultures have sky rocketed across Germany. Seriously, every news source covers this if you look for it you will find it. It's not a "right wing news" rubbish thing. It's a very sad fact : (

ShiddyArze

100s of videos on YouTube, Gospil from family I have living in Stuttgart. Actual research and not blind liberalism

And I said "A LOT" not the entire population.. My post was accurate.

yop

*Mod Note* Okay folks, handed out one warning already, this is a relevant topic but keep it without any racist/sexist/silly remarks.

ShiddyArze

Apt username crusha101

Crush any debate by reporting accurate, factual posts.

dave 27

I like how everyone assumes its the city. Does it say if it's the county too?

crusha101

ShiddyArze wrote: »

Apt username crusha101

Crush any debate by reporting accurate, factual posts.

Have never made a report, I'm a fan of free speech.

I wont go into how fitting your username is.

OfTheMarsWongs

I have no problem with refugees moving to the city/county. They're coming from a warzone. Ordinary everyday people, plumbers, mechanics, teachers, nurses, doctors.

We can find undesirables alot closer to home.... fist fighting on William Street in broad daylight for example.

Stealthfins

ShiddyArze wrote:

The problem is Islam I think, I am not religious, but I wouldn't mind Syrian Christians, Its the Muslims I wouldn't like to see living next door

The Shia Sufi's non conformed Sunnis and Yazidis are being persecuted also.

A_Sober_Paddy

Does this reduce the already limited rental properties in the area

love humanity

OfTheMarsWongs wrote: »

I have no problem with refugees moving to the city/county. They're coming from a warzone. Ordinary everyday people, plumbers, mechanics, teachers, nurses, doctors.

We can find undesirables alot closer to home.... fist fighting on William Street in broad daylight for example.

I wish it was that simple. They come from extremely mysogynist cultures. Remember Cologne on new years ever ? over 1000 german women were assaulted by them and it happened that night in other European cities too. On a daily basis , sexual assaults on women have sky rocketed in Germany. You can find it in any new source.
That's why I suggest we help these people in other ways instead of inviting them all to move over to live with us because that doesn't work.

roast

Every culture and nationality has shítheads. I wouldn't deny anyone the chance to flee from war based on what crimes their countrymen have committed.

Limerick shouldn't have cultural borders.

OfTheMarsWongs

love humanity wrote: »

I wish it was that simple. They come from extremely mysogynist cultures. Remember Cologne on new years ever ? over 1000 german women were assaulted by them and it happened that night in other European cities too. On a daily basis , sexual assaults on women have sky rocketed in Germany. You can find it in any new source.
That's why I suggest we help these people in other ways instead of inviting them all to move over to live with us because that doesn't work.

You're tarring everyone with the same brush. Every Limerick person doesn't fist fight in William St but if someone where to put Limerick into Google News today guess what would pop up.

Many years ago, I had a stop over in Heathrow (coming from continent). Security stopped the only Irish people on the plane, man that hurt so much. It still upsets me today that we were stopped because we were Irish. I swore I'd never do that to anyone because it is so wrong.

DSN

OfTheMarsWongs wrote: »

I have no problem with refugees moving to the city/county. They're coming from a warzone. Ordinary everyday people, plumbers, mechanics, teachers, nurses, doctors.

We can find undesirables alot closer to home.... fist fighting on William Street in broad daylight for example.

Totally agree with this. We can't just turn our backs & say let someone else deal with it - do people realise what these people are fleeing from?

What are the big nations & global organisations like UN etc doing to help to stop what's going on in Syria tough - that's the bit I find hard to understand / don't know enough about. It's so sad

love humanity

OfTheMarsWongs wrote: »

You're tarring everyone with the same brush. Every Limerick person doesn't fist fight in William St but if someone where to put Limerick into Google News today guess what would pop up.

Many years ago, I had a stop over in Heathrow (coming from continent). Security stopped the only Irish people on the plane, man that hurt so much. It still upsets me today that we were stopped because we were Irish. I swore I'd never do that to anyone because it is so wrong.

I've friends in Germany (women) who told me things have changed a lot for them now, and they have to very careful now , in their own words. So basically they lost a lot of their freedoms and personal safety they once had only a year or so ago. We can be compassionate towards them and help them in the neighbouring countries they are right now where there is no war, lebanon, jordan, turkey etc..

OfTheMarsWongs

love humanity wrote: »

I've friends in Germany (women) who told me things have changed a lot for them now, and they have to very careful now , in their own words. So basically they lost a lot of their freedoms and personal safety they once had only a year or so ago. We can be compassionate towards them and help them in the neighbouring countries they are right now where there is no war, lebanon, jordan, turkey etc..

Turkey is no paradise, there's been bombings lately. Also differing off shoots of Islam and differing political views might mean they don't want to go to those countries.

It'd be like saying to an Irish Catholic refugee, we've a spot for you in America. It's in Amish country, you'll have to wear the bonnet, give up all electronics but no worries, you're all Christian, be grand!

zulutango

ShiddyArze wrote:

25 families, about 8 or 9 kids each, its enough.. A lot of Irish people move down the housing lists for them

Where's the 8 or 9 kids thing coming from? My Syrian friend has only one sibling.

El_Duderino 09

ShiddyArze wrote:

The problem is Islam I think, I am not religious, but I wouldn't mind Syrian Christians, Its the Muslims I wouldn't like to see living next door

I'm not a fan of any of the religions and muslims can be a bit mad when they let religion get mixed up with culture. On an individual level, the muslims I've met have been as normal as could be. Same motivations as anyone else, earn a crust, play with their children, sleep well at night and have an aul pray.

People in that part of the world have values around family and community that irish people could definately identify with.

ShiddyArze wrote:

Regular folk don't wear masks over there face, They don't attack women for not wearing said mask. Regular folk allow there women to work and to do things without being accompanied by a man..

Regular people do wear masks. My nan wore a head scarf which is pretty weird by today's standards. The point is that integration means they can chat with the neighbours and things like wearing masks become irrelevant because you know loads about the person. If all you know is the physical appearance, then a mask would be Scarry and i understand your fear.

Some of my neighbours come into the shop with animal excrement all over their wellies and on their clothes. If they can fit in, then wearing a mask isn't the end of conversation.

love humanity wrote:

Being realistic. The influx of millions of men from very mysogynistic cultures have wreaked havoc on the quality of life, personal safety and freedom of women in germany, austria, sweden and denmark and more. The only logical solution i see is, spending BILLIONS to look after and care for the migrants in the war free safe areas where they are now, such as Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey etc.. Focus the money there and care for them. When Syria reaches peace again, build up the country like there is no tomorrow and then they can go back home and create a happy life there again. There are literally millions of ways of helping less fortunate people in other countries without inviting them all over to live with us.

I jumped the gun a bit there. I agree that the long term solution is to fix that part of the world but stability in 15 years is scant consolation to a homeless family of refugees, today. Integration of a few families should be simple for a civilised country.

celligraphy

I hope they enjoy living in limerick I have seen a few Facebook posts from people ranting about how they 'll be housed and how they are waiting over so many years for a house most of these people complaining are on the dole/disability and go on three Spanish holidays a year drive a new car and sell drugs ....

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

I have no problem with refugees moving to the city/county. They're coming from a warzone. Ordinary everyday people, plumbers, mechanics, teachers, nurses, doctors.

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

stefanovich

Mysogyny is okay as long as they are not white males. Did you not get the memo?

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

Terrorists organisations aren't gonna take the time/ a chance and send some lads across the Mediterranean in a rickedy dingy. They have the money and resources to send people by regular means.

Imagine, hypothetically, the US invaded our West Coast, we all pile into a dingy and head for Wales. We get there and someone says "Hold on! Irish? I heard some Irish people were in the IRA. Not taking the chance, no Irish people allowed in!". Would you be happy to keep rowing to France?

roast

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

Are you happy enough to write them all off as mad rapist fanatics then? Or do you have a better description? Better close off all of the borders just in case, can't chance it.

_Brian

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

As there are very very dangerous people already living in Limerick, how do you tell them from ordinary decent Limerick people??
So do we damn all people because there are potentially very bad people among them, because if that's the case wouldn't Limerick be a sure place to be neutralised based on the known bad people who live there?

yop

We've a shed load of dangerous people living in Ireland as we are though (http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0524/790549-dublin-firearms/).

I'm on the fence on this one, as said already, back in the 70s/80s was it assumed all Irish were IRA members? "No Irish, No blacks".
When I was living on Mary street I had to pass through an army checkpoint which was checking who was going in and out of the estate during the Dunden/Keane feud in the 2000's.

That said, the reports out of Germany do make me very uneasy. I heard a report that 90% of the refugees were single males in their 20's, of course you can't assume. They are reporting a massive increase in rapes, again you can't assume.

Then I heard a discussion with a guy in a town in Mayo, "Oh they've taken in 30 ISIS into our town, we don't want them"....the truth behind it is that they took in 7 families, women, men and kids.

scream

The Irish government will spend 640 million of taxpayer money on Foreign Aid this year alone. Our government will also spend 25 million of taxpayer money as part of the multi billion euro bribe to Erdogan. Our government is using taxpayer money to keep mulitiple naval vessels in the Med acting as a floating taxi service for migrants. How much more are the Irish people supposed to do or give?

There are many thousands of people on the social housing waiting lists, many thousands on the waiting lists for surgery and we have shockingly long lists of people waiting to be seen by consultants in the health service. Our social housing, schools and medical services are all seriously underfunded and will continue to be but we're supposed to take in at least 40,000 from abroad and make no mistake, they will be put ahead of the Irish people.

We already have 5000 asylum seekers costing the taxpayer 36,000 per head. We've spend 30 million on lawyers for asylum claimants. I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Bringing them to Europe is a bad idea, they should be fighting terrorism and dictatorship at home and securing a safe future for themselves and their families, just like other countries had to do in 2 World Wars.

El_Duderino 09

stefanovich wrote:

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

There may be slightly increased risk form accepting Syrians. There may be dangerous people among them. There are very dangerous people north of our border. Some dangerous people live in the Republic. I doubt you soil yourself thinking about those people though. I live in the UK where we recently had elevated threat of violence from irish republicans. I walk past potential targets every day, my pants remain unsoiled.

Slightly elevate risk of danger. That's the price you pay for doing the decent thing as a human being.

stefanovich wrote:

Mysogyny is okay as long as they are not white males. Did you not get the memo?

Oh you were just playing the fool. Ok.

OfTheMarsWongs

scream wrote: »

The Irish government will spend 640 million of taxpayer money on Foreign Aid this year alone. Our government will also spend 25 million of taxpayer money as part of the multi billion euro bribe to Erdogan. Our government is using taxpayer money to keep mulitiple naval vessels in the Med acting as a floating taxi service for migrants. How much more are the Irish people supposed to do or give?

There are many thousands of people on the social housing waiting lists, many thousands on the waiting lists for surgery and we have shockingly long lists of people waiting to be seen by consultants in the health service. Our social housing, schools and medical services are all seriously underfunded and will continue to be but we're supposed to take in at least 40,000 from abroad and make no mistake, they will be put ahead of the Irish people.

We already have 5000 asylum seekers costing the taxpayer 36,000 per head. We've spend 30 million on lawyers for asylum claimants. I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Bringing them to Europe is a bad idea, they should be fighting terrorism and dictatorship at home and securing a safe future for themselves and their families, just like other countries had to do in 2 World Wars.

There's no doubt that the Irish Health system is in a terrible state. The key difference though is that Irish hospitals aren't being being bombed, Irish children are not starving to death because the government/Isis has laid siege to the their towns. Re standing ground, many thousands of Syrians are. For others though, they're seeing that black flag coming down the road and are not saying to themselves .. "Sure, if they do get through, maybe I'll be lucky any they won't kidnap/rape my daughters". They are running, as fast as they can, crowding into dinghies, which is totally understandable.

stefanovich

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Slightly elevate risk of danger. That's the price you pay for doing the decent thing as a human being.

So do we know they are Syrian even?

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

"Sure, if they do get through, maybe I'll be lucky any they won't kidnap/rape my daughters".

Thanks for the dramatization. I'm fairly immune to emotional manipulation at this stage though.

Based on the fact that most are 20/30 year old men one could presume they are leaving the women and children there.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

So do we know they are Syrian even?

If they're not and up to no good, that's some plan they have! "Let's 20 of us cram into this 10 person dingy. The guy on the beach assured me that these life jackets are legit and not just nylon stuffed with straw. When we get to Europe, we'll spend a few months, couple years tops living in make shift accommodation, if the refugee claim fails I know a fella that can get us into a lorry in Calais."

Terrorist organisations have the resources to get people in by more direct routes. They're not sneaking them in between Syrian families.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

Thanks for the dramatization. I'm fairly immune to emotional manipulation at this stage though.

Based on the fact that most are 20/30 year old men one could presume they are leaving the women and children there.

One could also argue that the 20/30 year old men are stronger swimmers, faster runners. I'm not saying that they're leaving people behind on purpose, that demographic is just better equipped physically to get out of dodge.

stefanovich

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Oh you were just playing the fool. Ok.

Not actually joking. All the faux outrage, ultra feminism etc these days. It's sexual politics. It's about control and retention of power, female over male. Same reason they abhor prostitution and pornography.

They don't care about Muslim refugees being misogynists as they do not consider them viable mates. My theory anyway.

El_Duderino 09

stefanovich wrote:

So do we know they are Syrian even?

I don't know. Why would it really matter anyway? People move around and settle. When the war broke out, it hardly mattered where the civilians are originally from.

What was your point and why didn't you male it?

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

If they're not and up to no good, that's some plan they have! "Let's 20 of us cram into this 10 person dingy. The guy on the beach assured me that these life jackets are legit and not just nylon stuffed with straw. When we get to Europe, we'll spend a few months, couple years tops living in make shift accommodation, if the refugee claim fails I know a fella that can get us into a lorry in Calais."

Look at Calais. Look at the demographics. A minority are Syrian fyi.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

Look at Calais. Look at the demographics. A minority are Syrian fyi.

I know this. Same argument could be used for North Africa originating refugees.

mitresize5

If any country in the world should be putting their hands up to accept refugees from a war torn country it should be Ireland.

We've sent millions of economic migrants to the far corner of the world, their only assets being the colour of their skin and the fact they can speak English. In fact if it wasn't for this the country would have been sunk altogether as recently as the last 5 years.

I hazard a guess and say their isn't a single person posting on this thread who doesn't know someone who has emigrated from Ireland for economic reasons and how some people suggest we turn our back on these people doesn't do my faith in humanity any good