Pleasestopsnoring!

LegacyUser

There are three of us in the house, me I'm a working guy(office drone ) a foreign lad who is an English language student and a girl who works part time and also does private music lessons. All of us are sound and get on fine. We'd go for drinks the odd time but most usually we don't see a whole lot of each other as I leave at 7:30am every weekday and get back past 8pm as I'm doing gym/sport.

For the past 2 months the girls mother has been on the couch. She is in late fifties I guess, not sure.

- She has no job so is in the house all day by burning through gas. We use more gas now then in the winter! When the gas runs out instead of adding a tenner to the meter she just burns up the 5 euro emergency gas too. It ran out on me during breakfast once, grrrrrrr
- She has nothing to do so watches films until 1am, 2am, even 3am. Ive gone downstairs to find her asleep on the couch so turn off the TV.
- She also snores like a Jonn Deere tractor but I guess that can't be helped.
- She is a little batty like she wandered into my room at 4am one morning. I got a fright and let a roar but she did apologise the next day.
- I cook my breakfast and have to eat standing up in the kitchen as she on the living room couch asleep
- Despite being told multiple times she never locks the back door. I got burgled in another house and stress about this.

I asked my housemate what's the story and was told she was just staying a little while bla bla.
I said it was two months now and was she going to live on the couch all summer and was told renting in Dublin is mad and she is just going to stay for now. No nailed down leaving date.

I'm not snooping but there was an open letter (no envelope) on the top of the fridge as it seems she hasn't been making payments on her apartment in over three years. I know she complains about negative equity so maybe she just wants to hand back the keys and walk away. Though she does brag about huge Air BnB money every summer so I don't know the full story. I wasn't snooping, it was there on the fridge.

I don't know what the overall rent on the house is as I pay for my room and that's all. The girl is the head tenant and deals with the landlord. I've never spoken to the landlord and don't have his mobile.

Renting in Dublin is mad, I have a great location and cheapest rent and don't want to move. The student guy doesn't really want to get involved, the snoring doesn't bother him and is often away anyway.

I pay for gas the top up meter every payday and I think I'm a sucker here. I also go to work shattered with snoring and late night TV. If the moocher was a housemate's friend she would be kicked out long ago but this is the housemate's mother so awkward. Is it me that has to move?

pookie82

Unwanted guest wrote: »

Is it me that has to move?

Short answer? It'd probably be easiest, yeah

You have no lease with the landlord, no contact details for him/her ... I'm guessing you're sub leasing from her? So there's no one you can approach to be the mediator here/lay down some ground rules.

She probably treats the flat as her own, given she's the primary leasee, and it sounds as if her mother is there to stay.

You could sit down with the girl in question and list what you list here - the gas, the late night tv, the snoring, the lack of security and privacy, but my guess is you'll be spun a tale about her falling on hard times and just needing a space for a "little while longer". Seems odd to me that a middle aged woman would be happy crashing indefinitely on the couch of a young professionals' place but there you go. She must be fairly desperate and if she's that indifferent to her behaviour and has a family member backing her up I could see you having to leave before she does.

Keane2baMused

pookie82 wrote: »

Short answer? It'd probably be easiest, yeah

You have no lease with the landlord, no contact details for him/her ... I'm guessing you're sub leasing from her? So there's no one you can approach to be the mediator here/lay down some ground rules.

She probably treats the flat as her own, given she's the primary leasee, and it sounds as if her mother is there to stay.

You could sit down with the girl in question and list what you list here - the gas, the late night tv, the snoring, the lack of security and privacy, but my guess is you'll be spun a tale about her falling on hard times and just needing a space for a "little while longer". Seems odd to me that a middle aged woman would be happy crashing indefinitely on the couch of a young professionals' place but there you go. She must be fairly desperate and if she's that indifferent to her behaviour and has a family member backing her up I could see you having to leave before she does.

What???

OP speak to this girl and say you want a final date that her mother is moving out, unless she starts contributing rent and has an actual bed in her room. Give her a few days and if no joy get the landlords contact details off this girl.

In no way should you have to move out. It is not her property regardless of how long she is living there.

There's no such thing as a 'head tenant', you are all equals in the house and have the right to the same treatment and respect while living there. She is taking the p1$$.

MintyMagnum

You're entitled to use of the communal areas, not just renting a room. Don't know why she's not sharing the daughter's room. What if the rest of ye wanted to bring someone home. What if the rest of ye wanted to have a friend sleep over?
Even having the daughter on the couch would be better, no snoring & no late nite tv.
Talk to the girl, if no joy starting bringing ur mates round & force her to use daughter's room.

silverharp

try find out who the landlord is, they might take a dim view of what is happening, land registry search or possibly get chatty with some of the neighbours?

Merkin

Periodically a thread comes up on PI that just floors me. What the ACTUAL fig is wrong with some people?! The absolute cheek of her having her freeloading mother come in to a communal house share and scab off people like that. It's basically like having a squatter! Where does she get off?

I can guarantee you that if she is taking such liberties and has such a flagrant disregard for her housemates she is undoubtedly fleecing you for rent as well and probably making a profit on what you pay.

I'd say nothing for now. Tell her you need the landlords details as you've some forms that you need him/her to sign. You then inform the landlord that this vagrant is living in your home and is posing a security hazard as doesn't bother locking up etc....this should hopefully get them to action it ASAP.

You may have to move out but I wouldn't do so without causing a fuss.

Keane2baMused

If the property is PRTB registered you may be able to find out the landlords contact details through them. Not sure if they can give you the information but it's worth a try.

Meauldsegosha

Keane2baMused wrote: »

There's no such thing as a 'head tenant', you are all equals in the house and have the right to the same treatment and respect while living there.

Technically speaking that is not correct. The woman may be renting the whole of the house from the landlord and is sub-letting a room to the OP. If that is the case the OP is a licensee of the woman and has little or no rights in the house.

OP, did you sign a lease when you moved in? Who do you pay your rent/deposit to?

Keane2baMused

Meauldsegosha wrote: »

Technically speaking that is not correct. The woman may be renting the whole of the house from the landlord and is sub-letting a room to the OP. If that is the case the OP is a licensee of the woman and has little or no rights in the house.

OP, did you sign a lease when you moved in? Who do you pay your rent/deposit to?

That's if the landlord is actually aware she is sub-letting.

LegacyUser

Is is possible that the mother and daughter own this house and are renting out the rooms to you and the other guy? You already know there's another property being used for air b+b so I wonder why they aren't living in that. People don't like living with homeowners so maybe they are pretending there's a landlord. I'd say find out who precisely the landlord is.

cloudatlas

I'm sorry but I think you are a bit of an eedjit OP. No contract, no contact details for the landlord and "I don't know what the overall rent on the house is as I pay for my room and that's all". I would say she is making a tidy little profit. :rolleyes:

I would ask her to use headphones and contribute to the gas but I'm not sure you can ask her to leave you don't seem to have any authority given the above information.

pookie82

Keane2baMused wrote: »

There's no such thing as a 'head tenant', you are all equals in the house and have the right to the same treatment and respect while living there. She is taking the p1$$.

Yes there is. If she's leasing the property and then sub-leasing to the OP, that's exactly what she is.

OP doesn't sound like he has signed anything separately with the LL and therefore doesn't have any case to take up with him.

Keane2baMused

pookie82 wrote: »

Yes there is. If she's leasing the property and then sub-leasing to the OP, that's exactly what she is.

OP doesn't sound like he has signed anything separately with the LL and therefore doesn't have any case to take up with him.

If you read my previous post I stated that is if the landlord is aware she is sub-letting.

Keane2baMused

Its a messy situation that's for sure and what really complicates it is you are a licensee of the girl so basically have no rights. Were you renting the room directly from the LL I would be immeidately asking for the mother to leave as is a crazy situation.

For a start you should just stop topping up the gas, they are just using your money and, assuming you have an electric shower, you don't need gas in this weather anyway we haven't turned on the gas for weeks in my house.

Keane2baMused wrote: »

If you read my previous post I stated that is if the landlord is aware she is sub-letting.

It makes no difference, the op is still a licensee whether the LL knows about it or not.

pookie82

Keane2baMused wrote: »

If you read my previous post I stated that is if the landlord is aware she is sub-letting.

Whether he knows or not, it gives the OP no more rights than we assume he has.

If the LL didn't know she was subletting he's not going to automatically bestow a lease to the OP and grant him the rights therein.

All finding and telling the landlord would do is potentially make him angry. It doesn't give the OP any rights.