Hydrogen breakthrough.

kneemos

Sort of.Irish bloke reackons he's invented a plug in device that can improve petrol engine efficiency by 50% and diesels by 15%.
Hydrogen definitely seems to be the future of transport,makes electric cars even less viable if it works.

kneemos

. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.todayfm.com/mobile/index.php%3Fid%3D27868&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwidnILKl-7MAhWhK8AKHUDODJsQFggfMAE&usg=AFQjCNGTg2LEfwHjflM4viws_rRaxlNyYA

The Backwards Man

A fancy hot water bottle, a stock photo of Nigel Mansell and a packet of fags.

You've outdone yourself this time kneemos.

CINCLANTFLT

But what does this have to do with the price of peas in China?

The Randy Riverbeast

Whoever designed that website needs to be taken out and shot.

Doylers

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Whoever designed that website needs to be taken out and shot.

Im assuming you didn't remove "mobile" from the url :pac:

Guy:Incognito

Does the thing need the cigarettes to run or what? A 20 a day habit will eat in to any savings....

Duiske

So Mick beyond in Killorglin can fit a mini-hydrogen bomb to his '02 daysul Avensis ? What could possibly go wrong !!

Archeron

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

But what does this have to do with the price of peas in China?

Better energy efficiency means transport costs go down, thus reducing the price of those very peas.

Hercule Poirot

If it was any good the oil companies would have killed him months ago

Alun

Pure snake oil. Loads of people in different countries have all "invented" the same nonsense before, and despite their claims to the contrary you can't break the laws of thermodynamics.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/

Dirty Dingus McGee

Alun wrote: »

Pure snake oil. Loads of people in different countries have all "invented" the same nonsense before, and despite their claims to the contrary you can't break the laws of thermodynamics.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/

In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Dirty Dingus McGee

I remember seeing on Top Gear (the only time I ever watched it) these Honda Clarity (I think ) cars that were run on hydrogen and you pumped it into the car like a petrol pump.

Zillah

kneemos wrote: »

makes electric cars even less viable if it works.

Making petrol burning engines slightly more efficient doesn't change the fact that they are still taking carbon dioxide from beneath the earth and releasing it into the atmosphere. It is untenable in the long run. Not to mention that petrol burning engines are dirty, with thousands of moving parts, and need to pump fumes into the air.

Modern electric cars have far few moving parts and don't spray anything into the air. Tesla electric cars have a single engine about the size of a watermelon on the axle - that's it. It's just a superior technology. Something about burning gasoline seems so primitive once you've looked into the sleek and silent technology of modern electric cars.

Not that any of this matters, given that this fella's invention is total tosh and I'll eat his prototype if it turns out to be genuine.

alias no.9

I can totally accept that it's possible to improve the efficiency of an internal combustion engine. I see nothing in that that about a control system to adjust the amount of H2 and O2 being produced to match the fuel being injected into the engine and therefore have to assume it's almost never at an optimal ratio. There's countless variants of this device out there already, just search HHO on this forum. Given the current emissions legislation and the documented slights of hand being pulled by major manufacturers, yes that was NOx but those were being masked to make better CO2 numbers, if there was anything in this, it would be shipping in cars from Wolfsburg already.

brightspark

While fuel efficiency may not be everyones priority I imagine that someone purchasing trucks for a fleet would factor in the running costs as well the initial purchase price when deciding which truck to buy.

Car and truck manufacturers spend millions on R&D using the best engineers they can hire, all trying to get a competitive edge on each other. For this reason I doubt if the motor industry would "bury" any new engine/fuel designs that lead to greater fuel efficiencies.

How likely is it then that an unemployed architect has achieved something none of the engineers have done?

Also the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed, the engine is supplying the power via an alternator to the hydrogen generator (electrolysis) which then creates the additional fuel for the engine?

Eugene Norman

He's claiming a more efficient electrolysis device. Hydrogen is the fuel (the article refused to name it).

You still need energy to get the hydrogen out.

Pinch Flat

Duiske wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong !!

Absolutely nothing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

PopePalpatine

I can't be the only one here who looked at the thread title thinking of nuclear fusion, and then got more disappointed than Louis van Gaal yesterday evening. :pac:

brightspark

Eugene Norman wrote: »

He's claiming a more efficient electrolysis device. Hydrogen is the fuel (the article refused to name it).

You still need energy to get the hydrogen out.

Yes and even if he got the efficiency of the electrolysis up to 100% there are inefficiencies in the engine and in the alternator which supply the electrolysis device so it can't work.

Cienciano

The guy is on boards

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=482344

Capt'n Midnight

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

But what does this have to do with the price of peas in China?

Give peas a chance.

kneemos

Cienciano wrote: »

The guy is on boards

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=482344

Says he has it fitted to trucks on lease and gets a percentage of the fuel savings,this is from three years ago.
Have to wonder why every truck isn't using it.

brightspark

kneemos wrote: »

Says he has it fitted to trucks on lease and gets a percentage of the fuel savings,this is from three years ago.
Have to wonder why every truck isn't using it.

No need to wonder...it doesn't work.

SeamusG97

brightspark wrote: »

No need to wonder...it doesn't work.

Correct. It's all bull**** - move on folks, there's nothing to see here...... Here's something from the archives.

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2011/09/vapor-fuel-system-tom-ogle-full-story/

Next up, Homeopathy. Cure your illnesses with water. Followed by 'Lose ten pounds of fat by following this Weird TIP, and finally Danny Healy Rae's long-term weather forecast (2016-2066) for South Kerry.

We need better education and public awareness on these things.

kneemos

http://www.newstalk.com/Fuelfree-cars-on-the-way-as-TCD-scientists-make-breakthrough

The Sidewards Man

SeamusG97 wrote: »

We need better education and public awareness on these things.

I will create Facebook awareness on it.

Jimoslimos

Zillah wrote: »

Modern electric cars have far few moving parts and don't spray anything into the air. Tesla electric cars have a single engine about the size of a watermelon on the axle - that's it. It's just a superior technology. Something about burning gasoline seems so primitive once you've looked into the sleek and silent technology of modern electric cars.

Tesla electric cars aren't exactly groundbreaking either. Essentially a load of Li-ion laptop batteries driving the motor. The electric battery is an older technology than the ICE.

gctest50

Federal Trade Commission had a few words about fuel economy devices :

December 20, 2011

FTC Stops Marketers From Selling Phony Fuel Economy Devices

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2011/12/ftc-stops-marketers-selling-phony-fuel-economy-devices

According to the FTC's complaint (filed in 2009), Dennis Lee, Dutchman Enterprises LLC, and United Community Services of America Inc., doing business as UCSA Dealers Group LLC, falsely claimed their Hydro-Assist Fuel Cell (HAFC) turns water into "water gas" with five times the potential energy of gasoline. The court subsequently halted the allegedly illegal practices and froze some of the defendants' assets pending further litigation.

Capt'n Midnight

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Tesla electric cars aren't exactly groundbreaking either. Essentially a load of Li-ion laptop batteries driving the motor. The electric battery is an older technology than the ICE.

Not by much. Volta invented the battery in 1800.

De Rivaz had an ICE in a vehicle back in 1807 and it had electric ignition.



Anyway this invention is about more efficient production of hydrogen using less electricity. It's not about how efficient it's use in transport is.

Low-Overpotential High-Activity Mixed Manganese and Ruthenium Oxide Electrocatalysts for Oxygen Evolution Reaction in Alkaline Media

Esel

Is there a newsletter to which I can subscribe?

(Unless spoof thread - in which case, I knew that.)

Capt'n Midnight

kneemos wrote: »

Sort of.Irish bloke reackons he's invented a plug in device that can improve petrol engine efficiency by 50% and diesels by 15%.
Hydrogen definitely seems to be the future of transport,makes electric cars even less viable if it works.

Hydrogen isn't the future of transport. It's too bulky , too leaky. It's only more efficient when used in a fuel cell and they are still way too expensive. And you can get methanol fuel cells. Hydrogen has lots of energy, but the easiest way of storing it is attached to carbon atoms.

Cheaper hydrogen will mean we can extend natural gas by about 20% and will make synthetic fuels cheaper both mean less carbon from fossil fuels. And it means a place to dump surplus wind energy.

Beating diesel by 15% ? Large diesel beats vehicle diesel by 15% already. And Otto petrol engine is being phased out by other cycles that are more efficient. Atkinson and what's that 6 cycle engine using steam to capture the wasted heat ? BMW are using the exhaust to charge the battery and run the electrics. Petrol engine's only attributes are it is light. That means it's cheap to make and accelerates faster. And if you do low mileage then the possible savings don't justify the extra resources needed to achieve them.


What we need is better battery technology. That would kill off the petrol engine overnight. There's been some progress in using magnesium instead of lithium in large batteries so fingers crossed.

old_aussie

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Whoever designed that website needs to be taken out and shot.

Probably the same person who designed the wannabe new boards site.

eeguy

hydrogen will never win in the long run.

It's too dangerous, too expensive and too difficult to distribute. The ONLY saving grace is that it's as quick to refill a car as petrol.

Electricity is the way forward. The networks are in place, everybody has an outlet. Now if they increased the range or got the charging times down to 15-30 mins everyone would be on board.

It makes no sense to use electricity to make hydrogen, which has to be stored in tanks, transported in special trucks, handled with kid gloves and in the end, just turned back into electricity for an electric motor.

Just use a battery.

syklops

Anton Savage is well able for your man on that interview. Loved when savage goes:
"Your saying UCD don't understand how this works?"

zuutroy

lol that interview is gas. Fair play to Savage.

zuutroy

I just read the paper in the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy. How it passed peer review I don't know. It's dreadful.

Knasher

kneemos wrote: »

Sort of.Irish bloke reackons he's invented a plug in device that can improve petrol engine efficiency by 50% and diesels by 15%.
Hydrogen definitely seems to be the future of transport,makes electric cars even less viable if it works.

Well if they ever invent a way of powering cars off pure nonsense, this guy will be sorted.

Water John

Eeguy, 30Kw Leaf charged from 22% to full in 40 Mins.
If they extend the range in the next model, were nearly there.

waraf

This is definitely true. The TodayFM website is where all of the best scientific breakthroughs are announced to the world.

ToddyDoody

What do attractive women never come up with inventions like this?

Water John

Jane Ni Dhulchaonigh came up with Sugru glue. But then that has real uses.

Capt'n Midnight

ToddyDoody wrote: »

What do attractive women never come up with inventions like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Water John

I had forgot about her. Good.