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Dairy Nuts

  • 18-05-2016 7:47am
    #1
    MJK89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭


    Hi , How much nuts should i be giving the dairy cows as the weather has improved and the growth has started to take off, Also im currently giving an 18% nut , should i go back to a 16% or hold at where i am during the breading season,

    all comments welcome thanks


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  • #2
    whelan2
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    MJK89 wrote: »
    Hi , How much nuts should i be giving the dairy cows as the weather has improved and the growth has started to take off, Also im currently giving an 18% nut , should i go back to a 16% or hold at where i am during the breading season,

    all comments welcome thanks
    Find out what rate the cal/mag is in the nuts and go from there.


  • #3
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    MJK89 wrote: »
    Hi , How much nuts should i be giving the dairy cows as the weather has improved and the growth has started to take off, Also im currently giving an 18% nut , should i go back to a 16% or hold at where i am during the breading season,

    all comments welcome thanks

    Feeding 3kg of a 9% blend here for 29l. Get rid of pr for the next month min.


  • #4
    MJK89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭MJK89


    freedominacup wrote: »
    Feeding 3kg of a 9% blend here for 29l. Get rid of pr for the next month min.

    is that 3kg = 1.5 morning & evening , ya ? , also PR ?

    thanks


  • #5
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Grass protein can be anywhere from 18 to 26% or above depending on fertiliser etc so no need for a high protein nut. 14% is plenty. High energy is what's needed


  • #6
    mahoney_j
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    No need for 18% p .depending on what cows are yielding 14/15%!p is loads .if cows milking 20/25 10/12% p loads .sumole mix with maize /barley/hulls /soya and cal mag to cover whatever feed rate ur on will do


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  • #7
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    No need for 18% p .depending on what cows are yielding 14/15%!p is loads .if cows milking 20/25 10/12% p loads .sumole mix with maize /barley/hulls /soya and cal mag to cover whatever feed rate ur on will do

    Do think 14 is necessary? Am I missing litres? Urea gone over 25 in the past week. Never below 20 so far. Pr 3.55.


  • #8
    freedominacup
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    MJK89 wrote: »
    is that 3kg = 1.5 morning & evening , ya ? , also PR ?

    thanks

    Once a day in feeding passage. Depends on when they are going into fresh break.


  • #9
    Timmaay
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Feeding 3kg of a 9% blend here for 29l. Get rid of pr for the next month min.

    How muchy for the 9%, is it a nut or ration?


  • #10
    alps
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    How muchy for the 9%, is it a nut or ration?

    Maize,barley,hulls plus mins ...not more than 230€ for nut....


  • #11
    yosemitesam1
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Do think 14 is necessary? Am I missing litres? Urea gone over 25 in the past week. Never below 20 so far. Pr 3.55.

    Id say your right at the line between maximum efficiency of pr use and losing out on litres/pr%. At your current yields you'll need about 2050g digestible protein and you are probably in the range of 1950-2150g depending on what your grass would test at.


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  • #12
    Dawggone
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Do think 14 is necessary? Am I missing litres? Urea gone over 25 in the past week. Never below 20 so far. Pr 3.55.

    +1.

    8kgdm good forage maize + 2kgdm maize crimp + minerals.
    31.8 litres/day @ 3.33pr and 4.3 bf

    Milk urea between 28.2 and 32.

    When grass is good quality feeding pr above 9 is only making money for merchants imho.
    Feeding too much of the wrong pr will depress bf.
    I never, ever add pr to buffer when cows at grass full time.


  • #13
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,493 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Dawggone wrote: »
    +1.

    8kgdm good forage maize + 2kgdm maize crimp + minerals.
    31.8 litres/day @ 3.33pr and 4.3 bf

    Milk urea between 28.2 and 32.

    When grass is good quality feeding pr above 9 is only making money for merchants imho.
    Feeding too much of the wrong pr will depress bf.
    I never, ever add pr to buffer when cows at grass full time.

    Aghh but dwag you've prob wall to wall sunshine and clover rich swards .im currently on a 15%!andcdroping to 14 next load .protein source is soya and currently yielding just a shade over 34 at 3.63 fat and 3.44 p .2 different nutritionists advised against dropping under 15 till June 1 ,one an independent and other from feed mill .ill see can I dig out an e mail he sent and post it .no buffer going in just grass and 5 kg average fty .cows in super Nick and 94% bred in 24 days


  • #14
    freedominacup
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Aghh but dwag you've prob wall to wall sunshine and clover rich swards .im currently on a 15%!andcdroping to 14 next load .protein source is soya and currently yielding just a shade over 34 at 3.63 fat and 3.44 p .2 different nutritionists advised against dropping under 15 till June 1 ,one an independent and other from feed mill .ill see can I dig out an e mail he sent and post it .no buffer going in just grass and 5 kg average fty .cows in super Nick and 94% bred in 24 days

    Cows still climbing here. Is 3kg enough? Grass as good as it can be. Skipping anything not looking 100% so covers close to spot on. I think they're capable of 7500l+ but I don't want to buy it from them iykwim. They delivered 6500l/500kg ms in 2015 with one foot resting on the brake for the first quarter. 40% heifers this year again.


  • #15
    Dawggone
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Cows still climbing here. Is 3kg enough? Grass as good as it can be. Skipping anything not looking 100% so covers close to spot on. I think they're capable of 7500l+ but I don't want to buy it from them iykwim. They delivered 6500l/500kg ms in 2015 with one foot resting on the brake for the first quarter. 40% heifers this year again.

    Trust yourself.
    Merchants/salesmen/nutritionists have vested interests.

    #lowcosthighoutput.
    :)


  • #16
    yosemitesam1
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Cows still climbing here. Is 3kg enough? Grass as good as it can be. Skipping anything not looking 100% so covers close to spot on. I think they're capable of 7500l+ but I don't want to buy it from them iykwim. They delivered 6500l/500kg ms in 2015 with one foot resting on the brake for the first quarter. 40% heifers this year again.

    Could you throw in a bit of soymeal for a few days, if you dont see any worthwhile lift cut it out again


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