Non GUI Player marking card in Open

lovely hurling

Hi all,

Just a quick question. Can an non Gui player mark my card (Gui holder) in an open competition if we play as a two ball. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

FightingIrish

I've always been led to believe no, I've never known anyone to do it.

Uncle Ben

lovely hurling wrote: »

Hi all,

Just a quick question. Can an non Gui player mark my card (Gui holder) in an open competition if we play as a two ball. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Does your partner hold a hcap from a different country? UK France etc

lovely hurling

Thanks for the responses. No he doesn't. We are both new to golf and meet up for a friendly game. Since I have recently got a gui handicap, I'm keen to play in opens so just checking out if it were possible.

Uncle Ben

lovely hurling wrote: »

Thanks for the responses. No he doesn't. We are both new to golf and meet up for a friendly game. Since I have recently got a gui handicap, I'm keen to play in opens so just checking out if it were possible.

If your playing where there is a club pro or secretary manning the computer you most likely will be asked to swipe in.
On the other hand if no one is around pay the entry fee and head out. If you win the competition however that is when the sh1t will hit the fan.

First Up

lovely hurling wrote:

Just a quick question. Can an non Gui player mark my card (Gui holder) in an open competition if we play as a two ball. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

There is some ambiguity (and flexibility) about this. Strictly speaking anyone "approved by the committee" can mark (and sign) a player's card - they don't even have to be in the competition.

But best to check at the club because there is scope for different policies in different clubs.

lovely hurling

That sounds like good advice. Will check this out with club before we travel. Thanks again

BraveDonut

It was always my understanding that you need to be a paid up GUI member to play in an open?

Is that not the case?

If not, why would you bother joining Slivenamon or the like to get your GUI to play opens?

Uncle Ben

BraveDonut wrote: »

It was always my understanding that you need to be a paid up GUI member to play in an open?

Is that not the case?

If not, why would you bother joining Slivenamon or the like to get your GUI to play opens?

This brings us back to the Leinster Motion where 3 cards are required in the home club prior to entry for opens.
Clubs cannot be sanctioned however so above will probably be disregarded.

denishurley

First Up wrote: »

There is some ambiguity (and flexibility) about this. Strictly speaking anyone "approved by the committee" can mark (and sign) a player's card - they don't even have to be in the competition.

But best to check at the club because there is scope for different policies in different clubs.

Often the case where a fourball or a foursome will lose a man and one player will effectively play a practice round and mark the other pair's card. Of course, he/she is generally a member of the club. Never seen a situation like it in singles

BigChap1759

Surely it would be madness to allow someone who doesn't have a handicap to mark a card in an open???

alxmorgan

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Surely it would be madness to allow someone who doesn't have a handicap to mark a card in an open???

Why ? I mean when you think about it what makes someone with a handicap more qualified to write down a number ?

It's like saying those with handicaps are more likely to be honest or something....and let's face it we all know that's not true

Golf is based on the honour system anyway so I don't see why it wouldn't extend to this.

The Rape of Lucretia

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Surely it would be madness to allow someone who doesn't have a handicap to mark a card in an open???

Why ? I would guess needing someone to have a handicap to mark a card in an open is the norm.
In fact, I dont thing I have ever come across the case where it was a rule of the competition to have a handicap holder sign a card.

brady23

I recently joined a club but haven't got a GUI yet, I planned on playing a round with a friend tomorrow but the club has an open competition on. I'm almost sure he no longer has a GUI, would the club be lenient as far as letting us play during be competition?

Golfgorfield

brady23 wrote: »

I recently joined a club but haven't got a GUI yet, I planned on playing a round with a friend tomorrow but the club has an open competition on. I'm almost sure he no longer has a GUI, would the club be lenient as far as letting us play during be competition?

Did you ask the club?

brady23

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Did you ask the club?

I wasn't sure if it was a done thing in any club to be honest. I was just curious would it generally be an acceptable thing to ask. If it was a ridiculous request I didn't want to ask was all.

Seve OB

Just imagine there was a big golf star in town wanting to play at your club. Lets say it was Jordan Speith.

You are down to play in the club comp/open... whatever it is, nobody else opposite you and the club send Jordan out with you.

Now we all know Jordan certainly doesn't have a GUI, hell he probably doesn't even have a handicap anymore. (Some tour pros still have handicaps).

Do you really think the club are going to have an issue if Jordan marks your winning score card?

Now what makes Jordan more qualified mark a card than the local doctor/mechanic/barista...etc who plays golf, but just doesn't have a handicap (for whatever reason)

Mac_Lad71

brady23 wrote: »

I recently joined a club but haven't got a GUI yet, I planned on playing a round with a friend tomorrow but the club has an open competition on. I'm almost sure he no longer has a GUI, would the club be lenient as far as letting us play during be competition?

On a slightly different thread I'm in the process of moving clubs also and also waiting on a gui card...does anybody know how long this will take?

First Up

brady23 wrote:

I recently joined a club but haven't got a GUI yet, I planned on playing a round with a friend tomorrow but the club has an open competition on. I'm almost sure he no longer has a GUI, would the club be lenient as far as letting us play during be competition?

If its your own club and there is room on the sheet I expect they will let you play but without a handicap you can't enter the competition. Probably the same for your mate. They might let him out for the open fee or else as your guest which is usually less than regular green fee.

PARlance

First Up wrote: »

If its your own club and there is room on the sheet I expect they will let you play but without a handicap you can't enter the competition. Probably the same for your mate. They might let him out for the open fee or else as your guest which is usually less than regular green fee.

And it could be used as an opportunity to get a card in for his HC. I was allowed to play in Club Comps slots in order to get my 3 cards in. I wasn't in the comp obviously.

Slightly related: Anyone know if one person is permitted to mark and sign for more than one card?

BigChap1759

alxmorgan wrote: »

Why ? I mean when you think about it what makes someone with a handicap more qualified to write down a number ?

It's like saying those with handicaps are more likely to be honest or something....and let's face it we all know that's not true

Golf is based on the honour system anyway so I don't see why it wouldn't extend to this.

Its not being qualified to write down a number, surely a decent competency of the rules is required - I appreciate there are plenty holding a gui 'cap that don't but, if the club is affiliated by the gui, I would have thought that there should be some minimum requirement?

If someone makes a mistake by saying they scored a 5 - I count back and say "didn't you drop out of the hazard for a 6"? They say, "oh yes sorry, it was a 6" Someone who was merely writing down a number wouldn't have the ability to be sure they were writing down the correct score

First Up

BigChap1759 wrote:

If someone makes a mistake by saying they scored a 5 - I count back and say "didn't you drop out of the hazard for a 6"? They say, "oh yes sorry, it was a 6" Someone who was merely writing down a number wouldn't have the ability to be sure they were writing down the correct score

The responsibility for entering the correct score ultimately rests with the player. Competence does not replace honesty.

brady23

Thanks lads, yeah no issue at all, perfectly fine to head out. Doubt I'll get out with someone to sign the card though

First Up

brady23 wrote:

Thanks lads, yeah no issue at all, perfectly fine to head out. Doubt I'll get out with someone to sign the card though

In some clubs the pro shop will arrange for a new member to join some others just to get the card marked. If it is not possible or convenient in an open, then during a regular club competition.

BigChap1759

First Up wrote: »

The responsibility for entering the correct score ultimately rests with the player. Competence does not replace honesty.

No it doesn't but I'd still see a responsibility of a marker as being competent at ensuring he correct score is recorded to the best of their knowledge

Hoof Hearted2

PARlance wrote: »

And it could be used as an opportunity to get a card in for his HC. I was allowed to play in Club Comps slots in order to get my 3 cards in. I wasn't in the comp obviously.

Slightly related: Anyone know if one person is permitted to mark and sign for more than one card?

Do you mean more than one card for the same person or a single marker for multiple players and cards? the former is no and latter is yes.
There is no issue with a player who is a member of the club and does not hold a handicap in marking a competition card.