Pfizer ends supply of Lethal Injection drugs

Gael23

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0514/788377-pfizer-lethal-injection/

What happens now?

My name is URL

Gael23 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0514/788377-pfizer-lethal-injection/

What happens now?

There's a few pharma companies who refuse to supply it for that purpose already

Good to see some corporate social responsibility in this day and age

They'll probably just end up using a different chemical cocktail, or some conservative nutter with a load of money will set up a company to make it exclusively for that purpose

StudentDad

Those US states that kill their citizens will probably roll out the electric chair again. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought back hanging.

SD

Captain Chaos

StudentDad wrote: »

Those US states that kill their citizens will probably roll out the electric chair again. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought back hanging.

SD

The chair and firing squad are still choices including lethal injection in some states, it's up to the prisoner what they rather. Think the chamber is still around in one or two states too.

Discodog

They already have a prisons pharma lab. An execution was cancelled because they got the chemicals wrong. The death penalty is slowly on the way out in the US.

willmunny1990

Firing squad?

more economical and more humane surely

Captain Chaos

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Firing squad?

more economical and more humane surely

That's what I would have thought myself.

Better than being strapped to a bed for half an hour or so and hoping the drug dose was correct and not botched like a few were last year.

Do the China option, one bullet to the back of the head in a field somewhere.

tomwaterford

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The chair and firing squad are still choices including lethal injection in some states, it's up to the prisoner what they rather. Think the chamber is still around in one or two states too.

Why would anyone chose lethal injection above firing squad?

uck51js9zml2yt

Chair, firing squad,hanging and beheadings. They have a few options open to them.

kneemos

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Firing squad?

more economical and more humane surely

Beats electrocution by a country mile.

Discodog

Captain Chaos wrote: »

That's what I would have thought myself.

Better than being strapped to a bed for half an hour or so and hoping the drug dose was correct and not botched like a few were last year.

Do the China option, one bullet to the back of the head in a field somewhere.

You can't do it because it only involves one shooter. With a firing squad one shooter has a blank so you don't know if you killed the guy.

State Governors are getting nervous about the legal situation when they execute an innocent man.

hairyslug

What about crucifixion, its tried and tested

Or we can see if they weigh the same as a duck, if so we can drown them.

Captain Chaos

Discodog wrote: »

You can't do it because it only involves one shooter. With a firing squad one shooter has a blank so you don't know if you killed the guy.

State Governors are getting nervous about the legal situation when they execute an innocent man.

Wasn't being serious with the China option.

Still experienced shooters know when they have fired a blank over a live round as the recoil is much less. The air of doubt is still there but in reality they know what's what.

willmunny1990

yeah i never understood the appeal the lethal injection has, i mean a lot can go wrong and in fact has gone wrong , people waking up, visibly in agony and taking a long time to die, pretty horrific and with the drugs becoming harder and harder to get who knows what concoction they'll be injecting.

Im no expert but id say noboby has ever woken up or suffered much after being shot in the head/heart with a rifle.

Captain Chaos

There has been cases of people surviving 4-5 shots to the chest and they have to be finished off by someone walking over with a pistol for a shot to the head. Not a nice situation at all.

SEPT 23 1989

What a lovely gesture from those big hearted guys at Pfizer

flutered

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

What a lovely gesture from those big hearted guys at Pfizer

why did they ever supply it in the first place, could there be legal ramifications for the drug suppliers down the line, perhaps sooner rather than later

westcoast66

How come vets never have problems putting animals to sleep yet there are lots of stories of botched up human executions via lethal injection?

kneemos

westcoast66 wrote: »

How come vets never have problems putting animals to sleep yet there are lots of stories of botched up human executions via lethal injection?

Never cease to be amazed.You would think a simple overdose of a sedative would suffice.

Zaph

StudentDad wrote: »

Those US states that kill their citizens will probably roll out the electric chair again. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought back hanging.

SD

Hanging is still an execution method in Delaware, Washington state and New Hampshire.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

Never cease to be amazed.You would think a simple overdose of a sedative would suffice.

Or just a general anaesthetic before the lethal stuff.

Gael23

Can they get whatever pounds use to kill animals?

lawlolawl

Gael23 wrote: »

Can they get whatever pounds use to kill animals?

Bizarrely enough, i've looked into this and animals in pounds are surprisingly killed by firing squad :eek:

Fr_Dougal

hairyslug wrote: »

What about crucifixion, its tried and tested

Historically, it hasn't been 100% foolproof.

hairyslug

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Historically, it hasn't been 100% foolproof.

1 dude, thats the only one and even then he had friends high up

CarFan100

flutered wrote: »

why did they ever supply it in the first place, could there be legal ramifications for the drug suppliers down the line, perhaps sooner rather than later

Could be why they stopped alright

jimmy blevins

The Nazis used phenol, you can't beat the germans when it comes to efficiency.

Capt'n Midnight

tomwaterford wrote: »

Why would anyone chose lethal injection above firing squad?

If I was on death row right now it would be my #1 choice.

At least until they got supplies.

JupiterKid

Better late than never from Pfizer.
The death penalty is barbaric and utterly wrong. If you execute an
innocent person there is no bringing them back.

gctest50

And how about this sporty two-seater model from the USA - saves gas

http://i.imgur.com/5q4fwxv.jpg

DBB

westcoast66 wrote: »

How come vets never have problems putting animals to sleep yet there are lots of stories of botched up human executions via lethal injection?

In reality, not necessarily through any fault of the vet, animal euthanasia does not always go smoothly via their equivalent of the lethal injection. I've had the displeasure of being present on a couple of occasions when the pet did not go quickly or peacefully.
It's extremely distressing. I can't imagine how appalling it must feel to witness it happen to a human.

CarFan100

DBB wrote: »

It's extremely distressing. I can't imagine how appalling it must feel to witness it happen to a human.

Some of them are probably loving it if they're related to the victim

CarFan100

I didn't mean that they should

Some probably take pleasure in it

DBB

CarFan100 wrote: »

Some of them are probably loving it if they're related to the victim

That did occur to me whilst I was posting
Crap for the people responsible for administering it though.

lightspeed

In Japan they still use hanging and the prisoner is only told on the morning of their execution that its their last day alive.

Also i read before that they have several levers where there is only one function and all the others dont.

There is a different person operating each lever and none of which will ever know who had the lever connected.

The prisoner steps on the marked section on the floor with rope around their neck and the panel below them drops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1306683/Pictured-time-Japan-opens-doors-death-chambers.html

Cost effective to say the least. It all sounds quite gory but its fair to say if someone violently murdered someone in your family would you feel bad for such people being put to death?

Im certain i wouldn't.

Guy:Incognito

JupiterKid wrote: »

Better late than never from Pfizer.
The death penalty is barbaric and utterly wrong. If you execute an
innocent person there is no bringing them back.

If you're murdered by a "reformed" prisoner theres no going back either.

endacl

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

If I was on death row right now it would be my #1 choice.

At least until they got supplies.

Mine would be time. Death by time. Might take up to 50/60 more years with any luck.

Vic_08

westcoast66 wrote: »

How come vets never have problems putting animals to sleep yet there are lots of stories of botched up human executions via lethal injection?

The drug that most vets use (pentobarbital) is owned by a Dutch company who banned sale to US death penalty states and banned the resale to execution authorities some time ago.

Also as most medical professionals will not participate in executions a lot of them are performed by poorly trained prison officials.

gctest50

They're looking at nitrogen - bit safer for the operators and no rooting around for blood vessels

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1678909/hr-142-report-submitted-by-ldoc.pdf

Induced Hypoxia via Nitrogen

It is the recommendation of this study group that hypoxia induced by the
inhalation of nitrogen be considered for adoption as an alternative method of
administering capital punishment in the State of Louisiana.

salmocab

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If you're murdered by a "reformed" prisoner theres no going back either.

I don't think the suggestion is execution or walk free, Im pretty sure in the States its execution or life in prison with life meaning life.
Whilst I generally wouldn't have much sympathy for the condemned men I would prefer there to be no death penalties as I don't trust countries and governments to have run a fair trial and for there to have been no mistakes.

tomwaterford

endacl wrote: »

Mine would be time. Death by time. Might take up to 50/60 more years with any luck.

I wouldn't....I'd rather be done with it if I was guilty

Much preferable to spending the next 50-60 years locked up going slowly mad....that's no life to lead

machiavellianme

Could they not just bring back walking the plank? Surely that's a cost effective solution?
Load up a boat with a few dozen and head out a good distance for shark infested waters. Should anyone make it back they get to go free.

As for folks here pointing out that they could be innocent, what about those with 100+ convictions? Were they mistaken that many times? They're unlikely to reform and at a cost of over 50k per annum, that's money that could be better spent on health, welfare, etc.

salmocab

machiavellianme wrote: »

As for folks here pointing out that they could be innocent, what about those with 100+ convictions? Were they mistaken that many times? They're unlikely to reform and at a cost of over 50k per annum, that's money that could be better spent on health, welfare, etc.

Not really sure what you mean here? Do you think that because some people have over 100 convictions that everyone sentenced to death deserves it? Some people have been executed that turned out to be innocent, surely that alone is reason to doubt the ends?
Also in the US it costs millions to execute someone as it ends up in court for years with appeals and so on so the money doesn't go to better uses.

machiavellianme

salmocab wrote: »

Not really sure what you mean here? Do you think that because some people have over 100 convictions that everyone sentenced to death deserves it? Some people have been executed that turned out to be innocent, surely that alone is reason to doubt the ends?
Also in the US it costs millions to execute someone as it ends up in court for years with appeals and so on so the money doesn't go to better uses.

No, I mean if someone has 100 convictions it's unlikely they'll change. Don't let them get to 101. If its a first time offence, I wouldn't necessarily be in favour but anyone with a multiple of serious criminal convictions is more than likely guilty. End them now before they inflict more misery on someone else.
Furthermore, I think anyone with 10 or more convictions should automatically lose the right to appeal. A lenient penal system is not a deterrent.

Badly Drunk Boy

Discodog wrote: »

You can't do it because it only involves one shooter. With a firing squad one shooter has a blank so you don't know if you killed the guy.

If the person is being killed, why does it matter knowing who did or didn't administer the lethal shot? Are there fake injection buttons when chemicals are involved?

Capt'n Midnight

endacl wrote: »

Mine would be time. Death by time. Might take up to 50/60 more years with any luck.

60 years of alcohol poisoning

Gael23

Nothing beats a Diesel engine, a hose and an airtight room.

crazygeryy

DBB wrote: »

It's extremely distressing. I can't imagine how appalling it must feel to witness it happen to a human.

I'm not taking a pop at you but id love to hear your opinion if your son or daughter was raped and murdered by one of these "humans".

end of the road

machiavellianme wrote: »

I think anyone with 10 or more convictions should automatically lose the right to appeal.

can't be done, it would be against their human rights and they may not be guilty of the crime.

machiavellianme wrote: »

A lenient penal system is not a deterrent.

a harsh or even an extremist penal system isn't a deterrent either. a deterrent only exists for those of us who aren't going to break the law. for those who are going to break the law, they will break it regardless of the punishment.

Discodog

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done, it would be against their human rights and they may not be guilty of the crime.



a harsh or even an extremist penal system isn't a deterrent either. a deterrent only exists for those of us who aren't going to break the law. for those who are going to break the law, they will break it regardless of the punishment.

4% of executed prisoners in the USA are probably innocent. So about 200 people are on death row for crimes that they didn't commit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent

The American love their "justice" so how about that, if a governor executes a prisoner who is later shown to be innocent, the governor is executed for murder ?

salmocab

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

If the person is being killed, why does it matter knowing who did or didn't administer the lethal shot? Are there fake injection buttons when chemicals are involved?

It matters to the people who administer the shot as it saves the conscience of the executioners to know they probably didn't kill someone regardless of if they deserved it.
I think it depends on where it takes place, but even in a firing squad if your hit by 12 bullets in theory only one bullet is the fatal one. I think this type of thing is done in most types of execution.