Looking for Low Ping/Latency - Low Jitter - Good Line Quality ISP Dublin

gab999

Good Evening,

I am looking for a Low Latency/Ping ISP (Internet Service Provider) that also provides Good/Great Line quality and No jitter. As stated in the title it is what I want, download and upload speeds do not matter to me aslong as the ping is low and stable. Also which services in Ireland Provide FAST PATH (This is basically Interleaving turned off) and which services can change Interleaving to off or lower it AT THE MINIMUM. I currently have Virgin Media 360 MB which has good download speeds but the pings are horrible and the technical department is clueless, it may sound harsh to say this but they have no idea what they are doing. They don't know what ping nor latency is, they don't know what Jitter is nor line quality. And if you ask them about FAST PATH or INTERLEAVING they are completely unaware of what that is... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The pings/latency I would like are as follows 10-20 ms France | UK 10-15 ms | Germany 20-30 ms | USA 80-120 ms.

And do not post anything like, it is impossible to get that ping and other comments like this. Because I had this ping with 2 ISP's Eircom & Irish Broadband (Satellite) Irish Broadband Breeze 6 MB. But in the area I live now they do not do the Irish Broadband and Eircom has gotten worse. I really don't understand Ireland, technology wise, electronics are so hard to find (something really high end and good) forget anything good with PC's. And the internet sucks here so bad.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

Regards
gab999

ED E

G.IMP is enabled by OpenEir on most(all?) cabs now. No retail operator can turn it off. ADSL interleaving is set by line profiles that operators can change but its only high/low with marginal effect.

Fastpath is an ADSL/POTS term, why you'd think Virgin TS would know anything about it.....

Virgin:

Ireland
Pinging rte.ie [104.16.2.26] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=56
Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 9ms, Average = 7ms

Germany
Pinging login.p1.worldoftanks.eu [92.223.1.122] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=52
Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 38ms, Average = 36ms

US
Pinging worldoftanks.com [162.213.61.95] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=245ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=245ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=243ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=241ms TTL=49

For a retail ISP these figures are good. US transit is pretty limiting at peak hours as you can see. Try that at 4AM and itll probably be around 120ms.

If you want the figure's you've quoted get a commercial grade connection:

Ireland
PING rte.ie (104.16.3.26) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=1.40 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=1.44 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=1.45 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=1.38 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=1.40 ms

US
PING 162.213.61.95 (162.213.61.95) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=149 ms

ItHurtsWhenIP

gab999 wrote: »

...
The pings/latency I would like are as follows 10-20 ms France | UK 10-15 ms | Germany 20-30 ms | USA 80-120 ms.
...
Because I had this ping with 2 ISP's Eircom & Irish Broadband (Satellite) Irish Broadband Breeze 6 MB.
...

Seriously??? Over a satellite connection, you got 10-20ms to France, 10-15ms to UK, 20-30ms to Germany and 80-120ms to the US?

In my last job, over a dedicated global MPLS WAN (with no satellite bits) we got those kind of figures.

I really find it difficult ... actually I find it impossible to believe that you achieved anything close to those figures from a satellite connection.

Please post some evidence to prove me wrong.

ED E

I assume he means FWA not geo stationary Sat.

kevinbad2010

gab999 wrote: »

I really don't understand Ireland, technology wise, electronics are so hard to find (something really high end and good) forget anything good with PC's. And the internet sucks here so bad.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

Regards
gab999

Well anything with pc related you buy from amazon.co.uk or other online websites otherwise you will get the biggest rip off there is in this country
also depending on where you live you could get up to 1Gb/s down but most of this country is a bit be hide at the moment hopefully the NBP will start in around 2017 and no more delays

Cuddlesworth

I bet your on wifi too.

ArthurG

Thought this sounded familiar. OP has posted the same request twice in the last 2 years. Dude not sure what more you can learn here, short of going down the commercial route as suggested above.....

gab999

Bump :-)

ED E

gab999 wrote: »

Bump :-)

What are you expecting to achieve OP? Get onto ENET/Eir Corporate sales.

Cuddlesworth

ED E wrote: »

What are you expecting to achieve OP? Get onto ENET/Eir Corporate sales.

You forgot about the lottery win he needs too.

Hank Scorpio

Pings on eir are very good if you can get efibre.

Local

Pinging boards.ie [104.20.0.160] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58

UK

Pinging multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.26] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=55

France

Pinging 188.165.39.28 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56

Germany

Pinging utzone.de [148.251.137.83] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56

Netherlands

Pinging utservers.nl [185.72.133.84] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54

ItHurtsWhenIP

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You forgot about the lottery win he needs too.

Nah. The OP wants to defy the laws of physics. That's why he can get 10-15ms to the UK over a satellite connection. :rolleyes:

Gonzo

Ive never seen or heard of an Irish Internet service provider that can provide pings as good as that. Eir efibre or virgin media is the closest you'll get to that. Satellite usually has pings over 1000 ms and wireless is very hit and miss.

tsue921i8wljb3

IIRC Irish Broadband's (now Imagine) Breeze service using Alvarion gear had some very good pings, sub 10ms within Ireland. I guess this is what the OP was referring to. However I don't believe that they would be using this equipment for new installations.

Cuddlesworth

Gonzo wrote: »

Ive never seen or heard of an Irish Internet service provider that can provide pings as good as that. Eir efibre or virgin media is the closest you'll get to that. Satellite usually has pings over 1000 ms and wireless is very hit and miss.

I've got a 60k a month Level3 line direct to their Pop in Dublin that gets those sort of pings. But it doesn't really matter, the OP's probably has this idea in his head that 10-20 ms is going to make him a better gamer.

gab999

Bump :-)

ItHurtsWhenIP

gab999 wrote: »

Bump :-)

You're obviously not reading the thread. ED_E has already answered your last bump. That's the only way to get what you want.

gab999

ArthurG wrote: »

Thought this sounded familiar. OP has posted the same request twice in the last 2 years. Dude not sure what more you can learn here, short of going down the commercial route as suggested above.....

What I have learned was that Irish Broadband Breeze 6 MB Satellite, had amazing pings. The pings were fantastic, so I did find what I was looking for. Now since I moved houses, the Breeze isn't available here so I'm looking for an alternative.

gab999

ED E wrote: »

G.IMP is enabled by OpenEir on most(all?) cabs now. No retail operator can turn it off. ADSL interleaving is set by line profiles that operators can change but its only high/low with marginal effect.

Fastpath is an ADSL/POTS term, why you'd think Virgin TS would know anything about it.....

Virgin:

Ireland
Pinging rte.ie [104.16.2.26] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.16.2.26: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=56
Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 9ms, Average = 7ms

Germany
Pinging login.p1.worldoftanks.eu [92.223.1.122] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=52
Reply from 92.223.1.122: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=52
Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 38ms, Average = 36ms

US
Pinging worldoftanks.com [162.213.61.95] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=245ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=245ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=243ms TTL=49
Reply from 162.213.61.95: bytes=32 time=241ms TTL=49

For a retail ISP these figures are good. US transit is pretty limiting at peak hours as you can see. Try that at 4AM and itll probably be around 120ms.

If you want the figure's you've quoted get a commercial grade connection:

Ireland
PING rte.ie (104.16.3.26) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=1.40 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=1.44 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=1.45 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=1.38 ms
64 bytes from 104.16.3.26: icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=1.40 ms

US
PING 162.213.61.95 (162.213.61.95) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=149 ms
64 bytes from 162.213.61.95: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=149 ms

Thanks for your reply, I did have good pings on several retail ISP's such as many years ago Eircom had good pings until I upgraded to 24 MB and they did something in the exchange which completely ruined my pings and they couldn't undo it since "the ping was within their limits".

What commercial grade connections do you have in mind in Dublin?

gab999

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Seriously??? Over a satellite connection, you got 10-20ms to France, 10-15ms to UK, 20-30ms to Germany and 80-120ms to the US?

In my last job, over a dedicated global MPLS WAN (with no satellite bits) we got those kind of figures.

I really find it difficult ... actually I find it impossible to believe that you achieved anything close to those figures from a satellite connection.

Please post some evidence to prove me wrong.

Yes, seriously... I had Irish Broadband Breeze 6 MB (Satellite) it gave amazing pings but since I've moved houses, it is not available here. Because it works off a Tower and line of sight.

gab999

kevinbad2010 wrote: »

Well anything with pc related you buy from amazon.co.uk or other online websites otherwise you will get the biggest rip off there is in this country
also depending on where you live you could get up to 1Gb/s down but most of this country is a bit be hide at the moment hopefully the NBP will start in around 2017 and no more delays

Yeah, it's true. Ireland struggles with high end technology and gaming ISP's. I mean I went into the phone stores trying to find a Samsung Galaxy Note 5 which was released in 2015 and they haven't even received it... Three, O2, Vodafone, Meteor none of them

gab999

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I bet your on wifi too.

I'm not on Wi-Fi. I'm directly connected via a Ethernet Cat6 Cable (1 metre).

gab999

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Pings on eir are very good if you can get efibre.

Local

Pinging boards.ie [104.20.0.160] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 104.20.0.160: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58

UK

Pinging multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.26] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=55
Reply from 85.236.96.26: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=55

France

Pinging 188.165.39.28 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56
Reply from 188.165.39.28: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=56

Germany

Pinging utzone.de [148.251.137.83] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56
Reply from 148.251.137.83: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=56

Netherlands

Pinging utservers.nl [185.72.133.84] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
Reply from 185.72.133.84: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54

I appreciate the reply, I'll look into E-Fibre, thanks again :-)

gab999

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I've got a 60k a month Level3 line direct to their Pop in Dublin that gets those sort of pings. But it doesn't really matter, the OP's probably has this idea in his head that 10-20 ms is going to make him a better gamer.

If you have nothing constructive nor helpful to say, don't say anything you pleb. You seem like a typical Irish idiot, who thinks he's sophisticated but in reality is a total idiot...

gab999

Gonzo wrote: »

Ive never seen or heard of an Irish Internet service provider that can provide pings as good as that. Eir efibre or virgin media is the closest you'll get to that. Satellite usually has pings over 1000 ms and wireless is very hit and miss.

Irish Broadband Breeze 4-6 MB did provide amazing pings.

gab999

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Nah. The OP wants to defy the laws of physics. That's why he can get 10-15ms to the UK over a satellite connection. :rolleyes:

I had from 10-20 ms on UK servers with Irish Broadband Breeze 6 MB...

gab999

ED E wrote: »

What are you expecting to achieve OP? Get onto ENET/Eir Corporate sales.

What I'm expecting to achieve is to try and find a reasonable ISP which provides Good Line quality, low jitter or none at all, with similar pings that I've had, since the Irish Breeze isn't available in this area, it is very limited with the line of sight. Again I'll repeat myself if you have nothing constructive to say, don't...

ED E

gab999 wrote: »

If you have nothing constructive nor helpful to say, don't say anything you pleb. You seem like a typical Irish idiot, who thinks he's sophisticated but in reality is a total idiot...

I was going to add some more info but if you're going to act the child forget it.

gab999

ED E wrote: »

I was going to add some more info but if you're going to act the child forget it.

Ok, so first he implies that I'm a complete retard that is using Wi-Fi, then he says that the ping won't make me a better gamer. Delay is killer in any online game it doesn't take a genius to figure that out and since I get 200-500 ms on some games, yes it will make me a better player. So insult after insult basically and I'm the child, well I guess the Irish stick together . Thanks for clearing that up, thanks for you help anyway.

511

gab999 wrote: »

You seem like a typical Irish idiot, who thinks he's sophisticated but in reality is a total idiot...

gab999 wrote: »

well I guess the Irish stick together .

Where are you from?

Some_Person

Irish Broadband Breeze was NOT satellite, it was fixed wireless.

Satellite has awful ping times.

Cuddlesworth

gab999 wrote: »

Ok, so first he implies that I'm a complete retard that is using Wi-Fi, then he says that the ping won't make me a better gamer. Delay is killer in any online game it doesn't take a genius to figure that out and since I get 200-500 ms on some games, yes it will make me a better player. So insult after insult basically and I'm the child, well I guess the Irish stick together . Thanks for clearing that up, thanks for you help anyway.

Do you know what actually causes latency?
Do you know why latency is different between providers?
Do you know why your latency tests are not really accurate?
Do you know what causes jitter, or what jitter really is?
Do you know how many devices and company's your traffic would take to get to the US?
Do you know how likely that is to change at any time?

gab999

Bumperino, any suggestions anyone? . The e-Fibre isn't available in this area yet.

bk

gab999 wrote: »

Bumperino, any suggestions anyone? . The e-Fibre isn't available in this area yet.

MOD: Asked and answered, you can't just keep bumping the thread because you haven't gotten the answer you want, which is simply physically impossible. Thread locked.