Burning of EU flag outside Cork City Hall tomorrow, Monday 9th May at 10am

dobz95

As tomorrow is Europe Day, it's no surprise that all throughout Europe tomorrow people will be burning the EU flag.
Come to Cork City hall where the CPPC will burn the EU Flag in conjunction with #‎Irexit‬ campaign. Heres the link to the event and what not. https://www.facebook.com/events/1118484748203007/

chocksaway

Nah your grand thanks

Nonoperational

Jesus. Would you be bothered. G'wan away and do something productive with the day.

pwurple

Burning flags is cretinous behaviour.

LeBash

Go to work instead

dobz95

I work nights, the joys!

Canis Lupus

Burning a flag? Has Ireland turned into some middle Eastern country whilst I've been away?

Avatar MIA

18 people on the facebook page SAYING they are going.

This is going to be KRAY-Z!!!

Ye can all head to McDonalds afterwards for Happy Meals.

Muff Richardson

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Burning a flag? Has Ireland turned into some middle Eastern country whilst I've been away?

Well traveled then

12Phase

Under EU directives flags are safely flame retardant, so you're grand.

enzo roco

dobz95 wrote: »

As tomorrow is Europe Day, it's no surprise that all throughout Europe tomorrow people will be burning the EU flag.
Come to Cork City hall where the CPPC will burn the EU Flag in conjunction with #‎Irexit‬ campaign. Heres the link to the event and what not. https://www.facebook.com/events/1118484748203007/

Probably the most ridiculous idea I ever heard.

What is burning a flag going to change? Such a silly thing to do.

12Phase

Tbh its a moronic idea though. The EU might need a few major tweaks here and there but it's far from the evil empire that people keep attempting to paint it as and actually has plenty of good points.

Engage with it and change it rather than just going off on a flag burning nonsense.

If nobody takes things like EP elections and appointments of Commissioners seriously what exactly do they expect the outcome to be?

We seem to have a lot of people very keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

wnolan1992

How about we all sit down and have a reasoned debate about the pros and cons of being in the EU instead of standing out in the cold and burning a piece of fabric?

Frynge

enzo roco wrote: »

Probably the most ridiculous idea I ever heard.

What is burning a flag going to change? Such a silly thing to do.

With a little bit of luck some of them might wrap themselves in the flag first.

LeBash

Muff Richardson wrote: »

Well traveled then

Enough said in that pic.

12Phase

Sure what has the EU ever done for Cork?

I mean other than all all those countless projects like; roads, the massive main drainage works that destinkified the city, money towards repaving the city centre, Erasmus, freedom of movement for countless Corkonians who regularly work across the EU, access to a massive market that is the main reason that many local and international business can actually be here ...

Without access to all that tons of local indigenous businesses wouldn't exist and the multinationals wouldn't be here.

Sure we were better off under Cromwell and the Navigation Acts no doubt...

Muff Richardson

LeBash wrote: »

Enough said in that pic.

About what? Yer mans point that we don't burn flags in Ireland and it's only something that done by middle eastern radicals? whats your point?

critic_12

dobz95 wrote: »

As tomorrow is Europe Day, it's no surprise that all throughout Europe tomorrow people will be burning the EU flag.
Come to Cork City hall where the CPPC will burn the EU Flag in conjunction with #‎Irexit‬ campaign. Heres the link to the event and what not.

Sorry Dobz. Have a life and a job and better things to do.

feargale

If I'm cross with our new government will it be ok if I burn the Irish tricolour? Don't these flags represent peoples rather than governments?
But I suppose it has to be ok if some gobshyt burns a flag a thousand miles away. There goes the gobshyt. I'm his disciple. Therefore I must follow since I don't have a mind of my own.

clappyhappy

Why??????

Pawwed Rig

I can't make it to Cork. Are there any other flag burning events taking place around the country?
Where can you buy an EU flag? I checked Carrolls and they had none.

dobz95

Statement from CPPC (The group organizing the protest and flag burning tomorrow):

"The protest is against the increasing infringement of the European Union on our national rights and the consequences this has on the lives of the people. The flag burning is a symbolic act of defiance – especially appropriate in this Centenary year of the 1916 Rising and the proclamation of our sovereign right.

Today's EU is not a union of states based on equality and mutual benefit, as envisaged when we joined the EEC in 1972.

Our European 'partners' have dictated to us:
-They have stolen the greater part of our sovereign national territory by taking our fishing rights.
-They have imposed debts on us and future generations of Irish people that were never ours.
-They have forced us to pay nearly half the cost of rescuing the Euro currency from failure - disproportionately more than ANY other EU member.
-The EU's industrial and trade policy has resulted in almost eliminating domestic manufacturing. Our agriculture, crop growing and related industries are in crisis.

We should strive for a Europe of equals, ending big-state domination and the rule of corporate and banking monopolies.
Now the EU intends to impose TTIP (TransatlanticTrade & Investment Partnership), ISDS (Investor-State Dispute Settlement) and TISA (Trade in Services Agreement), these will further erode what little say we have left in our own Governance.."

Joey Jo-Jo Junior

Why the hell would I do that? No thanks.

Mongfinder General

Why not just burn Cork?

johnayo

dobz95 wrote: »

As tomorrow is Europe Day, it's no surprise that all throughout Europe tomorrow people will be burning the EU flag.
Come to Cork City hall where the CPPC will burn the EU Flag in conjunction with #‎Irexit‬ campaign. Heres the link to the event and what not. https://www.facebook.com/events/1118484748203007/

Sorry Dobz bud, but I have to go to work.

Cool_CM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Why not just burn Cork?

Somebody already did, though that was probably also the EU/Israel/The Government's fault too.

mansize

So burn the flag if you must, but before you do, you better burn a few other things! You better burn your shirt and your pants! Be sure to burn your TV and car! Oh yes, and don't forget to burn your house! Because none of those things could exist without six white stripes, seven red stripes, a blue background and a hell of a lot of stars! (12)

The_Kew_Tour

Personally I hope the EU is gone very soon, but this burning stuff is embarrassing

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Personally I hope the EU is gone very soon

Why?

Seriously, why?

There's lots of good in being part of the EU, and not wanting to be an effective vassal state of the UK is a nice bonus.

There's a lot being said about the fishing rights we have given up - we have given up significant fishing rights, but I don't remember us being rich because of them before the EU.

Plus, we'd have to put a fortune into patrolling them to avoid Spanish super trawlers coming and pillaging them.

Frynge

I hope he tells us to burn our pants. These things are chafing me.

The_Kew_Tour

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Why?

Seriously, why?

There's lots of good in being part of the EU, and not wanting to be an effective vassal state of the UK is a nice bonus.

There's a lot being said about the fishing rights we have given up - we have given up significant fishing rights, but I don't remember us being rich because of them before the EU.

Plus, we'd have to put a fortune into patrolling them to avoid Spanish super trawlers coming and pillaging them.

We are Rich? Really?

We spend 800million alone funding other EU countries

We have serious Homeless Crisis, Unemployment are still at poor level.

This whole thing that it's all doom and gloom if UK left EU is laughable.

It's scaring people and it's working.

EU wont be around for much longer be it good or bad thing

12Phase

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Why?

Seriously, why?

There's lots of good in being part of the EU, and not wanting to be an effective vassal state of the UK is a nice bonus.

There's a lot being said about the fishing rights we have given up - we have given up significant fishing rights, but I don't remember us being rich because of them before the EU.

Plus, we'd have to put a fortune into patrolling them to avoid Spanish super trawlers coming and pillaging them.

The main reason that fishing rights are gone is because of the establishment political parties here and the huge farming lobby coupled with a tiny and weak fishing lobby. They got a massive deal on funding farming and fishing simply didn't politically matter.

For an island, Ireland has always had a weird attitude to fishing and eating fish.

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We are Rich? Really?

We spend 800million alone funding other EU countries

We have serious Homeless Crisis, Unemployment are still at poor level.

This whole thing that it's all doom and gloom if UK left EU is laughable.

It's scaring people and it's working.

EU wont be around for much longer be it good or bad thing

I didn't say we are rich - I said we weren't rich when we had didn't sign up to give away the fishing rights. That's semantics, because I do think, as a people, we are very well off.

I'm not asking you to get the actual facts, but I wonder what the homeless levels were at and the unemployment level pre joining the EU.

Personally I think we are always going to have homeless, and the state does provide for them.

If there is going to be a policy of a guaranteed home for everybody we would have to radically have to rethink our economics. I for one would love not to have a mortgage.

Avatar MIA

12Phase wrote: »

They got a massive deal on funding farming and fishing simply didn't politically matter.

So, there was give and take?

The_Kew_Tour

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I didn't say we are rich - I said we weren't rich when we had didn't sign up to give away the fishing rights. That's semantics, because I do think, as a people, we are very well off.

I'm not asking you to get the actual facts, but I wonder what the homeless levels were at and the unemployment level pre joining the EU.

Personally I think we are always going to have homeless, and the state does provide for them.

If there is going to be a policy of a guaranteed home for everybody we would have to radically have to rethink our economics. I for one would love not to have a mortgage.

Well off? 1 in 5 kids go to bed Hungary every night and it's closer to 1 in 4 now

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well off? 1 in 5 kids go to bed Hungary every night and it's closer to 1 in 4 now

Where are you getting this stat from, are you talking about relative poverty?

By the way, shocking that 4 out of 5 kids don't get to sleep in Hungary every night.

The_Kew_Tour

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Where are you getting this stat from, are you talking about relative poverty?

By the way, shocking that 4 out of 5 kids don't get to sleep in Hungary every night.

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/food-poverty-ireland-2047633-Apr2015/

12Phase

Homelessness could be solved here and we most certainly have the resources to solve it.

WE (or our elected representatives) took idiotic political decisions that laid the foundations homelessness!

It wasn't the EU that was lobbying to shut down social and affordable housing and that allowed developers to simply pay a fee to local authorities to get out of building it. It was NIMBYISM and snobbery.

I saw it first hand in Cork where people in one spirhside suburb actually protested against building social and affordable housing not too many years ago.

It also has suited a large % of the establishment middle class here to keep the landlord dole system known as rent allowance going. It's propping up buy to let mortgages and keeping a large number of people up to their necks in speculative debts above water.

Those are the people who our major parties care about, not some guy sleeping in a doorway.

Blaming the EU for the consequences of our idiotic policies is just stupid.

Yeah the Euro has issues and the bailout loans weren't ideal but we shouldn't have been in that mess in the first place.

Also if you look at the HSE, the main issue is management and structures, not funding. We spend more on health per capita than the UK does in raw €/head and we get way less for our spend and it's not even universal.

Ireland is very wealthy, by any standards. We just make political decisions that have done the country a lot of damage.

So go on, blaim the EU or those 'outsiders' and keep voting for the same old cronies over and over. That's definitely going to solve everything.

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/food-poverty-ireland-2047633-Apr2015/

Based on what is said by an organisation that benefit's from saying as much?

But, forgetting that bit, where's the research they based this on - I didn't see it referenced.

The_Kew_Tour

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Based on what is said by an organisation that benefit's from saying as much?

But, forgetting that bit, where's the research they based this on - I didn't see it referenced.

So you just Want pretend this is load of rubbish?

That says it all

The_Kew_Tour

12Phase wrote: »

Yeah the Euro has issues and the bailout loans weren't ideal but we shouldn't have been in that mess in the first place.

Take from one hand and into another. They're no " outsider" as EU is very much running this country and I hate FG as much as anyone

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So you just Want pretend this is load of rubbish?

That says it all

Saying that 1 in 4 of the children you pass in the street is going to bed hungry is a huge statement and a damning indictment of our country. It needs to be backed up.

sheesh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b_sB3325HQ

The_Kew_Tour

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Saying that 1 in 4 of the children you pass in the street is going to bed hungry is a huge statement and a damning indictment of our country. It needs to be backed up.

Well 3-4 families a day in Dublin are losing their Home. That's a 100 a month as was said on Newstalk this morning.

To say that 1 in 5 children are Hungary is not such a surprising claim if you walk streets and see the neighborhoods that are getting more socially poor and dangerous

12Phase

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Take from one hand and into another. They're no " outsider" as EU is very much running this country and I hate FG as much as anyone

No, FG and FF and a self-intested establishment run this country and always have.
It suited a lot of ppl to have the "no bank left behind" policy...

The_Kew_Tour

12Phase wrote: »

No, FG and FF and a self-intested establishment run this country and always have.

Now they are as pathetic as you get, but if EU say we have to do A and B with our money, that's what we do.

Avatar MIA

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well 3-4 families a day in Dublin are losing their Home. That's a 100 a month as was said on Newstalk this morning.

To say that 1 in 5 children are Hungary is not such a surprising claim if you walk streets and see the neighborhoods that are getting more socially poor and dangerous

Going by the 2011 census, more that 25% of the population is under 18. That's a million children in the state. That's 250,000 children going hungry at night per your statistic.

Granted, you can go into certain areas and see children aren't being well looked after by parents, but that would not be representative.

BTW, why do you think there are 250,000 children in Ireland going to bed hungry each night?

Gavlor

What's a CPPC?

Avatar MIA

Gavlor wrote: »

What's a CPPC?

It's an intellectual think tank striving for the betterment of the Irish people.

12Phase

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Now they are as pathetic as you get, but if EU say we have to do A and B with our money, that's what we do.

Is it though?
In many cases the EU has been the 'bogie man' used to justify unpalatable policies. For the most part the EU only laid out financial targets. How those were achieved was our issue.

For example, the Troika suggested tackling the astronomical legal fees and other transactional costs here. Did we do that?!
Ha!
God no, we just cut housing spending instead.

Also we shouldn't ever have been in a situation where we needed bailout loans. Had it not been for the idiotic nonsense that got us into that mess, we would never have had the Troika in the first place.

Unfortunately, locally generated policies ran the economy off a cliff. The 'programme' was the sad reality of what happens when you end up seeking financial assistance. There are strings.

Gavlor

Avatar MIA wrote: »

It's an intellectual think tank striving for the betterment of the Irish people.

So flag burning is intellectual?

Thanks god Europe makes decisions for us, otherwise we'd be back to the Middle Ages!