Advice on grass seed

50HX

planning in doing some reseeding after 1st cut of silage

intend to plough, dress seed, lime & fertilize

Do ye burn off grass completly??

where would i get advice on the right grass seed to suit the land type

Miname

50HX wrote: »

planning in doing some reseeding after 1st cut of silage

intend to plough, dress seed, lime & fertilize

Do ye burn off grass completly??

where would i get advice on the right grass seed to suit the land type

Get the right grass seed to suit your system. They'll all tell you this seed or that seed is designed for whatever area your standing in. Some seeds out there need serious feeding and others not so much. If it's a bag to the acre every year or a bag after every grazing would be more important imo to worry about.

50HX

couldn't agree with you more

but where do i get this advice

Miname

50HX wrote: »

couldn't agree with you more

but where do i get this advice

Ask any lad that's reseeding regularly around you. I made the mistake of listening to sales reps.

50HX

Miname wrote: »

Ask any lad that's reseeding regularly around you. I made the mistake of listening to sales reps.

not much resseding doing the round here

i'll be breaking the mold a bit

i have one neighbour that did some a while back but couldn't trust that as every time it's grazed he has it sprayed for weeds and pumped with N for the next cycle

Miname

50HX wrote: »

not much resseding doing the round here

i'll be breaking the mold a bit

i have one neighbour that did some a while back but couldn't trust that as every time it's grazed he has it sprayed for weeds and pumped with N for the next cycle

What sort of soil and what's it for? I haven't done much in the last few years so I haven't really followed or read up much on what's out there but there's a few floating around that seem fairly sharp on seeds if you smile nice they might help.

Carrigogunnell

Spray it when it's ready to cut and cut it 4-5 days later as you can see it turning. Take a soil sample off the ploughed land and sent it off to be tested costs €25 best money you will spend
Nearly every grass seed now it fertilising loving and if you don't feed them then they will be gone within a matter of years.
If you are not one of these big fertiliser spreading framers my suggestion would be mix with 100% diploids there might not be as high in sugars or grow huge big crops or have a 28 day turn around but they will last
There are some mixes out there with up to 70% treploids and they just won't last they thin out very quick and being such an open swath they tend to be easier damage during poor weather

CloughCasey1

Ring McGuinness seed in Slane. They can advise you on best seed for what it will be used for and the best seed for the type of ground you have. Have all the info ready when you ring them. You could ask for seed that works well in spring and autumn of you have the land to carry stock early and late or a high performance summer months variety.

50HX

got my soil samples back a few week ago

need 10t lime /ha and 32/68 units of p & k

soil type is clay

it's land away from the yard so i'm going for 2 cuts of silage of this per year

Sam Kade

Sinclair McGill are expensive but I've a field of ryegrass that was sown with their turbo mix 20 years ago and it's still there even after 10 years of extensive farming in between where it didn't get much fertiliser.

zetor 4911

Sam Kade wrote: »

Sinclair McGill are expensive but I've a field of ryegrass that was sown with their turbo mix 20 years ago and it's still there even after 10 years of extensive farming in between where it didn't get much fertiliser.

Would you know the mix that replaced the turbo mix, I assume that that mix is no longer available.

Sam Kade

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Would you know the mix that replaced the turbo mix, I assume that that mix is no longer available.

Turbo is still there.

http://www.drumnakillysupplies.com/seeds/sinclair-mcgill/

CloughCasey1

Sam Kade wrote: »

Sinclair McGill are expensive but I've a field of ryegrass that was sown with their turbo mix 20 years ago and it's still there even after 10 years of extensive farming in between where it didn't get much fertiliser.

Ive 3 acres with sinclair mcgill matrix 70 and castlehill mix i think and it is unreal early and late grass for grazing. One paddock of the three closed for 19 days today and was ate bare and it is half way up wellies again with even lush leafy grass and clover. I'll stick up photo in morning.

CloughCasey1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Ive 3 acres with sinclair mcgill matrix 70 and castlehill mix i think and it is unreal early and late grass for grazing. One paddock of the three closed for 19 days today and was ate bare and it is half way up wellies again with even lush leafy grass and clover. I'll stick up photo in morning.

Left of wire 20 days since bare and right 11 days.

zetor 4911

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Left of wire 20 days since bare and right 11 days.

Very impressive CloughCasey1. Did that field get much slurry and bag manure?

CloughCasey1

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Very impressive CloughCasey1. Did that field get much slurry and bag manure?

Bag urea mar 5th. Round of dung after first rotation and bag of CAN since. Both that field and one above it both index4 for p&k.

zetor 4911

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Ive 3 acres with sinclair mcgill matrix 70 and castlehill mix i think and it is unreal early and late grass for grazing. One paddock of the three closed for 19 days today and was ate bare and it is half way up wellies again with even lush leafy grass and clover. I'll stick up photo in morning.

Is that field a mix of sinclair mcgill matrix 70 and castlehill mix?

CloughCasey1

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Is that field a mix of sinclair mcgill matrix 70 and castlehill mix?

Yup

tractorporn

Any of ye knowledgeable men have any experience with Germinal seeds? I have 6 and a half acres to re seed in the next week or so and the local co op have a Germinal seed mixture for the area. Ive never used Germinal before its usually mixes from Goldcrop. Only thing is it only has 0.5kg of white clover would prefer a good bit more.

croot

tractorporn wrote: »

Any of ye knowledgeable men have any experience with Germinal seeds? I have 6 and a half acres to re seed in the next week or so and the local co op have a Germinal seed mixture for the area. Ive never used Germinal before its usually mixes from Goldcrop. Only thing is it only has 0.5kg of white clover would prefer a good bit more.

I think Homeland/Connaught Gold's grass seed might be rebadged germinal seed so if it is I have used it last year on 6 acres. Clover never came and I used clover safe post emergence spray. Ploughed and reseeded in summer so maybe that had something to do with it.

FeelTheBern

croot wrote: »

I think Homeland/Connaught Gold's grass seed might be rebadged germinal seed so if it is I have used it last year on 6 acres. Clover never came and I used clover safe post emergence spray. Ploughed and reseeded in summer so maybe that had something to do with it.

I wonder is it really feasible to get good clover growth in a new reseed when spreading so much nitrogen at same time? Thought nitrogen and clover growth didn't mix?

White Clover

FeelTheBern wrote: »

I wonder is it really feasible to get good clover growth in a new reseed when spreading so much nitrogen at same time? Thought nitrogen and clover growth didn't mix?

That's what the experts preach! I have good Clover in fields that'd be getting around 140 units of N per acre per year. Its a quality feed with ryegrass.

tractorporn

FeelTheBern wrote:

I wonder is it really feasible to get good clover growth in a new reseed when spreading so much nitrogen at same time? Thought nitrogen and clover growth didn't mix?

This won't be getting a lot of nitrogen just a couple of ton of dung and a bag of grass sward. The current thinking that the clover survives with the nitrogen but it's the early grass that can smother it. This is heavy land so going for late grasses.

croot

FeelTheBern wrote: »

I wonder is it really feasible to get good clover growth in a new reseed when spreading so much nitrogen at same time? Thought nitrogen and clover growth didn't mix?

I don't know because it's my first reseed using clover.

Robson99

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Yup

Where did you get that mix Clough?

CloughCasey1

Robson99 wrote: »

Where did you get that mix Clough?

Agent in Sligo for the Sinclair McGill mix and McGuinness Seed in Slane for last year's reseed. Won't really know for another few months on last year's reseed as only 3 rotations out of it since sown last Sept. Will need more time to get a good butt of grass going. It's doing great so far so good anyway.