Penalty points affect driving abroad

Ali2405

Hi all, I recently got some penalty points for speeding! I'm just wondering that when I go to france as I have a job all ready secured will the penalty points make a difference? Are they recognised in France? The job involves driving!

CiniO

Ali2405 wrote: »

Hi all, I recently got some penalty points for speeding! I'm just wondering that when I go to france as I have a job all ready secured will the penalty points make a difference? Are they recognised in France? The job involves driving!

Answer to your questions: no and no.

greengone

If you lose your licence for example drink driving ban that under EU rules means you cant go another EU country and apply for licence in that other country -
However how that can be policed with Irish I dont know as our passports ID are not tied to our car driving licence .
In many EU countries the car licence and ID are linked making it difficult to get another licence in another EU region

When you go another EU country you bring your Irish licence into the the other countries licence place and they change your Irish licence for thiers .
They docheck with Ireland your points and so forth but to my knowlege for points they start you on clean sheet .For banned from driving they dont issue new licence until the ban is is lifted . Not sure what the rules for that are. A irish ban with drinking driving if i recall you go back to provisional licence and do the test again .So the new host country you would have to probably do the same there .

Different EU countries insist on change to thier licence after different times Example the UK is very strict on that and want the change after 3 months.

I got Irish freinds driving for years in France on Irish licence and never got problems and they also drive Irish plated cars and french cars .

Spain is 6 months which is average EU time and not so strict on that rule but some cops can get shirty on the time limit .

In Italy they annonced that driving with no licence will from now on be merely pay the fine event
That now means drivers banned from driving just pay fines if cuaght no jail time is possible .
Best i can figure they wont give a rats rear end the irish licence with banned writen all over it pay the fine good to go.

French police to catch speeding on the motor way normaly demand the toll road ticket look the time calcualte the average speed and fine you if you drove too fast .So some who we know who want to do high speed runs stop the toll gate and wait the time to be not caught for speeding

Have good time in France it is a drivers country as its a huge country .

One freind I knew did Montpellier to Barcellona in two hours whith his fast motorbike average speed some 160mph with some 200MPH bursts .Biggest problem was to to stop for fuel evey 20 minutes and to put change into tolls from tight jeans pockets .

However another 200mph fast run french cops stopped him at raod block and fined him a couple grand .He had that money to spare as his dad was rich .He had UK licence so no points were issued but in theory they could issue points that would go onto any french licence he might get in the future .It depends on the cops in that region of France and the mood they are in what they do .Other regions France they put motor bikes that do 200MPH in the clinker and others they ignore it as a minor issue

Jesus.

greengone wrote: »

Have good time in France it is a drivers country as its a huge country .

Ain't as big as Texas

vandriver

Jesus. wrote: »

Ain't as big as Texas

I just checked whether that was true.(It is)

hognef

greengone wrote: »

Different EU countries insist on change to thier licence after different times Example the UK is very strict on that and want the change after 3 months.

A licence issued by an EU country is generally valid in other EU countries until such time as it needs renewal. At that point it needs to be renewed in your country of residence.

greengone

There is one state in theusa I think it is Montana and they dont got no speed limit. That looks to be the state to live in with fast cars

CiniO

hognef wrote: »

A licence issued by an EU country is generally valid in other EU countries until such time as it needs renewal. At that point it needs to be renewed in your country of residence.

Exception to that is when licence from one EU country is valid for longer (since the moment person moved) than licences are normally valid in the country he/she moved to.

Example - someone has a licence from Poland valid indefinitely.
He moves to Ireland in 2016, so he can drive here until 2026 at which stage he will need to change licence to Irish.

Jesus.

greengone wrote: »

There is one state in theusa I think it is Montana and they dont got no speed limit. That looks to be the state to live in with fast cars

Its not really. The Cops can still pull you over if they feel you're driving too fast. It ain't like das Autobahn

greengone

hognef wrote: »

A licence issued by an EU country is generally valid in other EU countries until such time as it needs renewal. At that point it needs to be renewed in your country of residence.

Not too my knowlege .
Once you become resedent or domicile in anotHer EU country the majorty of them have rules that requre you to change your licence to thier licence.
Some countries like the UK enforce that with fines as they did to my Hungairan friend and they conficated his UK plated car as well and cost him money to get the car back storage and towing cost and the fine was something like €250 .
The whole thing cost him nearly €600 not counting the lost pay for losing work that day and lost time for work going to licence office to exchange licence .

Portugal is also reputed to be strict on that rule cant say never stayed in portugal more than few months so I didnt bother to find out .

If however you were something like truck driver passing through regions of EU that logic I would assume would apply as long as your perminant residence was Ireland

CiniO

greengone wrote: »

Not too my knowlege .
Once you become resedent or domicile in anotHer EU country the majorty of them have rules that requre you to change your licence to thier licence.
Some countries like the UK enforce that with fines as they did to my Hungairan friend and they conficated his UK plated car as well and cost him money to get the car back storage and towing cost and the fine was something like €250 .
The whole thing cost him nearly €600 not counting the lost pay for losing work that day and lost time for work going to licence office to exchange licence .

Portugal is also reputed to be strict on that rule cant say never stayed in portugal more than few months so I didnt bother to find out .

If however you were something like truck driver opassing through regions of EU that logic I woulod assume would apply as long as your perminat resedence was Ireland

That's nonsense.

There is EU wide directive, which makes licences issued in one of the EU states, valid in other EU states, even if someone becomes resident there.

greengone

CiniO wrote: »

That's nonsense.

There is EU wide directive, which makes licences issued in one of the EU states, valid in other EU states, even if someone becomes resident there.

Whatever rules are always changing

Supply the link to latest rule change and then that would suit me fine as I prefer to tell the cops in these outback parts of europe i drive in the new EU rules

I wonder how I say in that in Hungarian when igo there next month for a 9 month contract there

CiniO

greengone wrote: »

Whatever rules are always changing

Supply the link to latest rule change and then that would suit me fine as I prefer to tell the cops in these outback parts of europe i drive in the new EU rules

I wonder how I say in that in Hungarian when igo there next month for a 9 month contract there

Here's your link:
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/driving-licence/driving-licence-recognition-validity/index_en.htm

hognef

greengone wrote: »

Some countries like the UK enforce that with fines as they did to my Hungairan friend and they conficated his UK plated car as well and cost him money to get the car back storage and towing cost and the fine was something like €250 .

The DVLA website has a tool that gives the validity of foreign licences. For a GB resident, who passed their "full car and/or motorcycle licence" test in the EU/EEA:

"You can drive in Great Britain on your full, valid driving licence until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer."

Esel

Jesus. wrote: »

Ain't as big as Texas

Sheeeet. We'll cut Alaska in half and make Texas the third-biggest state in the Union.

hognef

CiniO wrote: »

Exception to that is when licence from one EU country is valid for longer (since the moment person moved) than licences are normally valid in the country he/she moved to.

Example - someone has a licence from Poland valid indefinitely.
He moves to Ireland in 2016, so he can drive here until 2026 at which stage he will need to change licence to Irish.

Is that actually correct? The link you provided states that, for foreign licences, specifically with *indefinite* validity, you may, exceptionally, be required to exchange it for a local one after two years of residency. However, the section for Ireland explicitly states that

"If you hold a driving licence for life (i.e. one that remains administratively valid for an unlimited period) that was issued by another EU country, you will not have to renew the licence after changing your usual place of residence."

I'm actually very close to 10 years in this country, so such a rule would be of personal interest to me. My licence is, however, valid until my 100th birthday, i.e. not indefinitely, so the exception above doesn't even appear to impact on me.

The NDLS site simply says

"If you have a driving licence issued by an EU/EEA member state you can drive in Ireland as long as your existing licence is valid."

No exception mentioned.

Do you have a source that confirms your understanding?

greengone

double post

greengone

I was talking my mate this weekend in Spain and he just got fined recently for using irish licence in Spain.
The rule in Spain is two years residency then you have to convert the licence to Spainish licence .He is five years in Spain and ignored it because the cops were not activly fining for this offence but desperate for cash the cops now enforce this rule recently.
However many people do contest this fine in Spainish courts and seems sometimes win the case.

The system in Spain is speeding fines are taken direct form bank your bank accounts and points issued to licence .
The Spainish cant put points on forgien licence until the two year period when you come to exchange licence .
Avoiding the two year exchange time means you can replace licence at say four years when the three years limit for points is removed so the cops in spain dont like that it seems .
Also the Spain system dont get the €30 for the licence exchange .

France is similar to Spainish if I recall but so far they seem lax on it but that can change at any time when they need to gouge the motorists for more money .

My mate in Italy says he often just bribes the cops as they only earn often less than €1000 a month there more easy to bribe many of them .

greengone

double post

greengone

mistake double post

anothernight

greengone wrote: »

I was talking my mate this weekend in Spain and he just got fined recently for using irish licence in Spain.
The rule in Spain is two years residency then you have to convert the licence to Spainish licence.

That rule is only used for countries whose drivers licences never expire. With an Irish licence, that rule doesn't apply. (link)

You don't have to exchange an EU licence for another EU licence anywhere in the EU (as per the link posted above) unless the validity is different, in which case some countries have specific rules, as your mate seems to have found out.

In the UK, they're not strict about exchanging the licence either (as you said earlier in the thread) because there's no requirement to exchange it at all if you hold an Irish licence. What you do have to do is change the plates on the car. Even so, they're not strict about that either, at least in my area.

greengone

Anyway it will all be more fun and games when the British exit the EU as it seems that if the British leave the EU it will automaticaly cause Irl to leave due to some issues of how Irl joined the UE under the british legal umbrella of treaties

CiniO

greengone wrote: »

Anyway it will all be more fun and games when the British exit the EU as it seems that if the British leave the EU it will automaticaly cause Irl to leave due to some issues of how Irl joined the UE under the british legal umbrella of treaties

That bit pretty much summarizes how much sense your posts make in this thread.

Most things you've written are incorrect.

GM228

CiniO wrote: »

Example - someone has a licence from Poland valid indefinitely.
He moves to Ireland in 2016, so he can drive here until 2026 at which stage he will need to change licence to Irish.

An indefinite licence issued before 19th January 2013 remains indefinite, only licences issued after 19th January 2013 carry the 10 year validity (or 15 years validity licences for some countries).

If you have a licence with no valid to date then a country can legally make it valid for only valid for 48 months after you become a permanent resident if they choose to but Ireland hasn't adopted that approach.

GM228

greengone wrote: »

Anyway it will all be more fun and games when the British exit the EU as it seems that if the British leave the EU it will automaticaly cause Irl to leave due to some issues of how Irl joined the UE under the british legal umbrella of treaties

Ireland joined the EU (or EC as it was back then) under an EU treaty (The Treaty of Accession 1972), not a British treaty, if I remember correctly the last Irish-British treaty before that was the Anglo Irish Free Trade Agreement in 1965 and had nothing to do with the EU membership.

Vico1612

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ironclaw

Jesus. wrote: »

Its not really. The Cops can still pull you over if they feel you're driving too fast. It ain't like das Autobahn

Montana has speed limits like the rest of the States. If you want to drive fast in the US, you need an NY license and speed everywhere else but NY as the points, if given, can't be transferred. Worst states are Oklahoma, Virginia or California.