what the avg usage now?

keno-daytrader

Hello, I looked on a bill from last year and my usage for 92 days was 430.100 m2, this seems astronomical to me, I checked the meter and the readings are correct.

Whats the avg household usage now?

Thanks

Irish Water: Mairead

Hi keno-daytrader,

Thanks for getting in touch and for your query.

Average consumption figures can vary depending on the number of occupants in the property. However, based on consumption figures for the first and second Billing Quarters, average usage for a two person household with a meter is 90m3.

We will be more than happy to investigate these usage figures for you, if you provide the following details by PM:

- Name;
- Address;
- Contact number; and
- Confirmation that you are the account holder.

Kind regards,
Mairead

keno-daytrader

Irish Water: Mairead wrote: »

Hi keno-daytrader,

Thanks for getting in touch and for your query.

Average consumption figures can vary depending on the number of occupants in the property. However, based on consumption figures for the first and second Billing Quarters, average usage for a two person household with a meter is 90m3.

We will be more than happy to investigate these usage figures for you, if you provide the following details by PM:

- Name;
- Address;
- Contact number; and
- Confirmation that you are the account holder.

Kind regards,
Mairead

Hi Mairead, 90m2 avg usage is for how many days?

Thanks

Irish Water: Mairead

Hi Keno-daytrader,

For a two person household, 90m3 is the average water usage for a 90 day period.

I hope this helps and please feel free to PM us if you would like us to look into this for you.

Kind regards,
Mairead

MBSnr

Irish Water: Mairead wrote: »

Hi Keno-daytrader,

For a two person household, 90m3 is the average water usage for a 90 day period.

I hope this helps and please feel free to PM us if you would like us to look into this for you.

Kind regards,
Mairead

Seems a very high figure for two people. Average usage is around 150 ltr per day per person by your own figures!
http://www.water.ie/news/tapping-into-the-water-us/

So two people would be 300 ltrs a day * 90 days = 27,000 ltrs (27m3)

OP
430m3 over 90 days is 4777 ltrs a day.... Might want to get the pipes checked for leaks!


For comparison, I'm in a house of 2 adults + kids and average about 400 ltrs a day.

keno-daytrader

MBSnr wrote: »

Irish Water: Mairead wrote: »

Hi Keno-daytrader,

For a two person household, 90m3 is the average water usage for a 90 day period.

I hope this helps and please feel free to PM us if you would like us to look into this for you.

Kind regards,
Mairead

Seems a very high figure for two people. Average usage is around 150 ltr per day per person by your own figures!
http://www.water.ie/news/tapping-into-the-water-us/

So two people would be 300 ltrs a day * 90 days = 27,000 ltrs (27m3)

OP
430m3 over 90 days is 4777 ltrs a day.... Might want to get the pipes checked for leaks!


For comparison, I'm in a house of 2 adults + kids and average about 400 ltrs a day.

I thought 90m3 was very high figure that IW gave, I used 430m3, but no sign of Irish water to contact me about a leak, I thought they were interested in finding leaks?

I turned off the mains and the dial still spins like mad.

MBSnr

keno-daytrader wrote: »

I thought 90m3 was very high figure that IW gave, I used 430m3, but no sign of Irish water to contact me about a leak, I thought they were interested in finding leaks?

If that 90m3 is actually based on real usage quarter bills then it's highlighting a large % of leak issues and probably a small % of general consumer apathy to limiting excessive use...

RCSATELLITES

MBSnr wrote: »

If that 90m3 is actually based on real usage quarter bills then it's highlighting a large % of leak issues and probably a small % of general consumer apathy to limiting excessive use...

Irish water told me the average was 90 m3 for 1 YEAR so maybe that was a typo error.

I live in a two adult house and our average is around 7m3 per month so around 85m3 per year.

RCSATELLITES

keno-daytrader wrote: »

I thought 90m3 was very high figure that IW gave, I used 430m3, but no sign of Irish water to contact me about a leak, I thought they were interested in finding leaks?

I turned off the mains and the dial still spins like mad.

You definitely have a major leak. You should get it checked as it might affect your house and foundation's. Don't hold out for irish water to fix it. If you have turned off your water and the meter is still running then you have a leak within your permises. Between the meter and stopcock.

Water John

Look up Ferret water leak detection. This bit of gear will pinpoint where the leak is under your lawn/driveway.

blackcard

Irish Water: Mairead wrote: »

Hi Keno-daytrader,

For a two person household, 90m3 is the average water usage for a 90 day period.

I hope this helps and please feel free to PM us if you would like us to look into this for you.

Kind regards,
Mairead

This has to be incorrect, I am afraid I would expect usage to be around 25 m3 for 2 people over a 90 day period

Water John

That would still be very high Blackcard,

I would be aiming for 80Ltrs per day per person. Around 15 cu m per 90 days.

blackcard

Water John wrote: »

That would still be very high Blackcard,

I would be aiming for 80Ltrs per day per person. Around 15 cu m per 90 days.

Before we had metering, the commonly used figure was 150 litres per person per day. I think the figure based on Irish Water's analysis of actual meter reads has dropped to 120 - 125 litres per head per day. This means our unaccounted for water is higher than previously thought

Water John

Agreed, I think i heard the figure of 80 litres per person mentioned as coming from IW a few days ago. I actually commented on another thread in reply that the DOE would have that figure already from the Group water schemes as actual use, which it is.

HamsterFace

And this is a prime example of why we need meters

Water John

Agreed

Going Forward

Water John wrote: »

That would still be very high Blackcard,

I would be aiming for 80Ltrs per day per person. Around 15 cu m per 90 days.

"But it has emerged that 93% of households are only using about 250 litres per day, or just over 80 litres per person.


http://www.newstalk.com/Average-Irish-person-uses-half-the-water-previously-estimated-says-Irish-Water

Water John

Thanks, Going Forward, I knew it was out some where.
80 Litres per day should be the aim.

Maybe charge should be on anyone using over say 110Litres per person per day.
40 cu m per year.

Going Forward

HamsterFace wrote: »

And this is a prime example of why we need meters

I'm not convinced.

With 80% of the population (3.8m) being served by Irish Water, using an average 111 litres pp pd, of the 1.7bn litres of water produced daily, we can see that attempting to conserve in the household is like sticking your thumb into a dam whilst 50% is leaking on the mains side and the combined commercial sector is using the rest.

To bring the conservation theory to its extreme, were every household to drill their own well, and use no water at all from Irish Water, it would deliver a maximum increased capacity of just 25%, using statistics published by UÉ.

Obviously that's an extreme, so let's concentrate on a target of 15% conservation on todays 111 average.

That would just give a return of 15% of the current 25% of water in terms of capacity or production costs.

Not very much water in the scheme of things.
61million litres a day in fact.

Whilst 850million litres leaks daily on the network side.

We currently already have one of the lowest personal consumption rates in the OECD.

And one of the leakiest networks.

With no sign of anything being done to fix it, apart from experimenting with pressure reduction.

Hence the wait till 2040 to see if IW has reached an "economic" level of network leakage.

Nekarsulm

OP, that's almost a thousand gallons a day your meter is showing.  Major leak between the meter and the stop cock.  Must be close to a drain, or you would see flooding. 

Water John

No. I have seen such leaks just sink and show no trace at ground level. The Ferret is the best implement for finding the exact location of the leak. Only one dig, at the correct spot.

keno-daytrader

I dont think Irish Water care to much about leaks, my meter registered 4600 liters a day last year, not so much as an email from Irish Water.

It isnt my job to contact them about a leak, it was claimed that installing meters would greatly reduce the number of leaks in the system.

Perhaps 4600 liters a day going into the ground isnt considered a bad leak, Im not sure....

HamsterFace

keno-daytrader wrote: »

I dont think Irish Water care to much about leaks, my meter registered 4600 liters a day last year, not so much as an email from Irish Water.

It isnt my job to contact them about a leak, it was claimed that installing meters would greatly reduce the number of leaks in the system.

Perhaps 4600 liters a day going into the ground isnt considered a bad leak, Im not sure....

Of course it's your responsibility to inform them or a plumber about your leak unless you want to pay for the wasted water once the flat rate ends!

Can people do nothing for themselves anymore...

keno-daytrader

HamsterFace wrote: »

keno-daytrader wrote: »

I dont think Irish Water care to much about leaks, my meter registered 4600 liters a day last year, not so much as an email from Irish Water.

It isnt my job to contact them about a leak, it was claimed that installing meters would greatly reduce the number of leaks in the system.

Perhaps 4600 liters a day going into the ground isnt considered a bad leak, Im not sure....

Of course it's your responsibility to inform them or a plumber about your leak unless you want to pay for the wasted water once the flat rate ends!

Can people do nothing for themselves anymore...

You cant be serious? Massive amounts of money spent on installing meters to find leaks, a year goes by and 4600 liters of water goes into the ground in one spot every day and you say its my duty to do the job of IW?

Massive amounts of money goes into setting up IT for billing, and they cant setup a filter to flag X number of litres on a meter is probably a leak that we should check out.

Same IT system that billed me for water that is laced with cryptosporidium, when I shouldn't have been.

Wake up and look at the super quango that was created, its not my job to find a major leak like this when so much money has been spent on IW to find leaks.

Its time people stopped rolling over and hold these people to account, otherwise we'll have another HSE on our hands, where no one is held to account for anything.

Water John

The loss is after the meter. Basically from your pipe, probably under your lawn, driveway or even as I've seen under your foundations. One thousand gallons a day. Id' be thinking about my own house in your case, even if you don't give a fig otherwise.

keno-daytrader

Ok, lets say for argument purposes that I dont give a hoot about whats going on under/next to the house.

How long should Irish Water take to identify this sort of a leak, after all this is the very reason IW was set up, or thats what we were told.

So how long should it take IW to find this leak? Keep in mind its been a year now.

HamsterFace

It's not and has never been their responsibility or intention to monitor individual billing. The idea is that conservation will occur when a user sees they will be faced with a bigger bill otherwise.

The same principal that prevents you from leaving the lights on all day.

keno-daytrader

HamsterFace wrote: »

It's not and has never been their responsibility or intention to monitor individual billing. The idea is that conservation will occur when a user sees they will be faced with a bigger bill otherwise.

The same principal that prevents you from leaving the lights on all day.

Come on Hamster, they have been telling us that meters will be used to identify leaks in the system, its one of the reasons they have spent millions on the project.

Here is an excerpt from the IW website.

"When fitted at your property, your water meter will record how much water has been supplied to your home, allowing you to understand your household’s water usage and minimise your impact on the environment. Understanding and reducing water consumption will also enable Irish Water to account for water delivered more accurately and take necessary steps to reduce leakage on the network."


Once again I ask, how long should IW take to identify a leak of this nature?

my3cents

OP have you ruled out the really obvious stuff like are you looking at the right meter, have Irish Water connected the meter to the street supply rather than your houses supply?

If you turn off the water at the meter and leave it off for a bit does just your water go off or do the neighbors start complaining theirs has gone off?

IW have very little knowledge of where the water supply pipes run, locally they wasted 2 days trying to fix a water leak that was the other side of the valley to where their supply pipes run, so I can easily imagine that they could put a meter in the wrong place.

keno-daytrader

my3cents wrote: »

OP have you ruled out the really obvious stuff like are you looking at the right meter, have Irish Water connected the meter to the street supply rather than your houses supply?

If you turn off the water at the meter and leave it off for a bit does just your water go off or do the neighbors start complaining theirs has gone off?

IW have very little knowledge of where the water supply pipes run, locally they wasted 2 days trying to fix a water leak that was the other side of the valley to where their supply pipes run, so I can easily imagine that they could put a meter in the wrong place.

Hi my3cents, yes Ive shut the water off at the meter when I go on holidays, and its only my own house that is connected, and its the right meter, all the readings are correct from the bill and the particular meter.

Doodoo

Live in a house by myself and just checked my average daily usage from my last 3 bills and I'm averaging 155 litres a day. Dishwasher goes on once a week, washing machine 3 times every 2 weeks and the house is empty during the day. I do like a long shower but it still seems excessive, might have to do some investigating.

Irish Water: Mairead

Hi Doodoo,

Doodoo wrote: »

Live in a house by myself and just checked my average daily usage from my last 3 bills and I'm averaging 155 litres a day. Dishwasher goes on once a week, washing machine 3 times every 2 weeks and the house is empty during the day. I do like a long shower but it still seems excessive,  might have to do some investigating.

We will be able to investigate this for you if you PM the following details:

- Name;
- Address;
- Contact number; and
- Confirmation that you are the named account holder.

Kind regards,
Mairead

Doodoo

Just read this on http://www.water.ie/news/tapping-into-the-water-us/

"According to current estimates** each person consumes approximately 150 litres of water per day. That equates to almost two full bathtubs of water per person per day or 54,750 litres of water per person each year - most of which is flushed away every day.

Showers are one of the biggest consumers of water in Irish households. The average 7 minute shower uses up to 49 litres of hot water while power showers can use up to 175 litres in the same period."

Looks like I'm about average at 155 litres a day. Have a power shower as well.

Irish Water: Amy A

Hi Doodoo,

Thanks for letting us know. Please feel free to contact us again if you have any queries regarding water services or your Irish Water account and we will be happy to help.

Kind regards,
Amy