Marvel’s Iron Fist - Netflix

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Jessica Stroup (90210, The Following) and Tom Pelphrey (Banshee) have joined Netflix’s latest Marvel series as Joy and Ward Meachum, one-time childhood acquaintances of Danny Rand (played by Game of Thrones‘ Finn Jones) whose roles at Rand Enterprises get called into question once Danny claims the company as his birthright

Iron Fist follows Danny’s return to New York City after a prolonged absence where he’ll fight crime using his kung-fu mastery and ability to summon the awesome power of the titular fist. Per comic-book lore, Joy and Ward’s father Harold (Top of the Lake‘s David Wenham) played a significant role in the death of Danny’s father.

Stroup and Pelphrey round out an ensemble that also includes Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing.

http://tvline.com/2016/04/19/marvels-iron-fist-jessica-stroup-tom-pelphrey-cast/

flazio

David Wenham? As in Farimir?

Mr E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCSPda7xQ3s

pixelburp

Too little to go on, but looks decent enough. It'd be nice to see something a little lighter though, and given the inherently goofy premise of Iron First, this seems like the best chance of a frothier Netflix show. After the relentlessly grim & dour Jessica Jones, the Netflix Marvelverse could do with a palette cleanser.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

Too little to go on, but looks decent enough. It'd be nice to see something a little lighter though, and given the inherently goofy premise of Iron First, this seems like the best chance of a frothier Netflix show. After the relentlessly grim & dour Jessica Jones, the Netflix Marvelverse could do with a palette cleanser.

I don't know about that , I saw the netflix ones as marvel for the grown ups as condescending as that sounds I'm right when you hold them up against all of the others. Almost all of the other Marvel stuff tv and movies is light compared to what netflix do. My main concern about this and Luke Cage and the 2 others is that they have to tie them all together and I'm left expecting a MASSIVE payout when it happens but I know we'll just end up with B team Avengers with sulky faces

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know about that , I saw the netflix ones as marvel for the grown ups as condescending as that sounds I'm right when you hold them up against all of the others. Almost all of the other Marvel stuff tv and movies is light compared to what netflix do. My main concern about this and Luke Cage and the 2 others is that they have to tie them all together and I'm left expecting a MASSIVE payout when it happens but I know we'll just end up with B team Avengers with sulky faces

'light' and 'adult' aren't mutually exclusive concepts; I wouldn't be leaning towards the kind of frothy family-friendly material similar to Agents Cater / of SHIELD - though there's always a welcome place for that - just for something that's tonally a bit more adventuresome and recognises superpowers aren't a universal burden or source of misery. It wouldn't hurt to have a little fun.

'grown up' should only mean a show can talk about exclusively adult concepts and experience in a mature, responsible manner; not that any levity or enjoyment somehow become irrelevant to the narrative. If anything, maturity should bring with it the ability to find the subtle humour in otherwise terrible or serious situations. Otherwise you end up wallowing, something a lot of 'prestige' TV is guilty of ATM

And honestly, while I've enjoyed Daredevil and think it's just about the strongest Marvel TV show, it's eagerness to linger on its violence and brutality, not to mention the hack, vaguely mystical Asian threat, has made it comes across more adolescent than adult at times. Edginess trying to be grown-up.

Nervous Wreck

I agree that this is Marvel's chance to add some adventure and wonder, given all the crazy stuff that could be done with K'unn L'unn but conversely, Danny Rand's origin is arguably much more grim and tragic than any of the other three so that will probably set the tone for the show.

Agent Coulson

Drops on March 17, 2017

http://tvline.com/2016/10/04/marvels-iron-fist-premiere-date-netflix/

flazio

Looks like I'm not getting involved in the next St Patrick day parade.

EoinMcLovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEJeWB3RA8

EoinMcLovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9OKL5no-S0

Agent Coulson

Mr E

Some early reviews for this are coming out (based on first few episodes) and they're pretty bad.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14848336/iron-fist-review-netflix-show-marvel
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/03/08/marvels-iron-fist-episode-1-snow-gives-way-review?watch
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/marvels-iron-fist-review-984200

The Hollywood Reporter article says that this is "Netflix' first misstep".

pixelburp

That's disappointing to hear, though can't say I'm totally surprised; the trailer really lacked a lot of spark the other 3 Marvel shows had. Will still give it a go though, who knows.

arkrow

Mr E wrote: »

The Hollywood Reporter article says that this is "Netflix' first misstep".

They must have forgotten about luke cage, that was some drivel, or the last season of Daredevil.

Nervous Wreck

Mr E wrote: »

Some early reviews for this are coming out (based on first few episodes) and they're pretty bad.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14848336/iron-fist-review-netflix-show-marvel
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/03/08/marvels-iron-fist-episode-1-snow-gives-way-review?watch
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/marvels-iron-fist-review-984200

The Hollywood Reporter article says that this is "Netflix' first misstep".

Disappointing if accurate. I tried to read those articles but 2/3 of them start by describing the episodes, which I have no interest in reading. The other starts with a lengthy critique of casting a white man in an Asian type role, which is a bad criticism to make, being that it's completely faithful to the source material. So I dunno how much weight to give this...

pixelburp

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Disappointing if accurate. I tried to read those articles but 2/3 of them start by describing the episodes, which I have no interest in reading. The other starts with a lengthy critique of casting a white man in an Asian type role, which is a bad criticism to make, being that it's completely faithful to the source material. So I dunno how much weight to give this...

I'm not fully onboard the outrage train, but I think there's a fair point to be made about how stereotyped, intentional or otherwise, anything or anyone vaguely Asian has been in the Marvel TV and films. The cliché of the inscrutable & mystical Asians is pretty ripe throughout them, with Daredevil season 2 being particularly guilty of this between Madame Gao and pretty much anything involving The Hand. Dr. Strange had a touch of that going, and seems like Iron Fist too from the outside.

The casting criticism is obviously from the point of view of ignorance of the source material, but at the same time Iron Fist was born from different era, Iron Fist's own buddy Luke Cage was a bit of a PG13 stereotype until later incarnations made him the rich character he is now. There's a bit of a footprint of the whole 'yellow peril', Fu-Manchu era in comics here & there (to the jury I submit Egg-Fu from Wonder Woman lol) and it looks a little ... mis-judged perhaps.

Like I said, not trying to white knight, but it'd be nice if not everything Asian in the MCU reverted to generic, spookily mystical stuff.

Nervous Wreck

While I agree, I don't think you can avoid the mystical stuff when you've got a character who spent most of his life living in the "mystical city" of K'un L'un!

Dr. Strange subverted the mystical Asian stereotype somewhat with the Ancient One but ran into trouble with that casting choice too... Kinda boxed in on that one in fairness...

Ping Chow Chi

Powerman & Ironfist was my favourite comic as a child, so I am nervous after reading some of the advanced reviews.

brianregan09

Is it tomorrow this is out ?

Agent Coulson

brianregan09 wrote: »

Is it tomorrow this is out ?

Yes.

den87

Will give it the benefit of the doubt, some of the reviews seemed very harsh and Empire was nicer to it than the others.

GottaGetGatt

I'll give it a lash.Took me months to try and muster the will power to finish Jessica Jones,which I personally didn't like tbh besides Kilgraves character.

Agent Coulson

It is excellent don't let the reviews put you off I've watched the first 6 episodes.

I don't know.. It doesn't have the style of Daredevil, the attitude or soundtrack of Luke Cage, or the villain in Jessica Jones. It's a bit.. Tame. And not all that interesting.

Slydice

First episode down. Liked it so far. Also had that 'want to see episode 2' feel to it.

Nervous Wreck

Four episodes in, loving this so far!

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Watched the first one and very much enjoyed it, so glad to hear good things from people here who've seen a few more episodes - the critic reviews had me worried it would take a sharp nosedive or something.

Unearthly

Watched the pilot and apart from some dodgy action scenes I'm not sure why this was panned. Very intriguing start

Slydice

Ok second episode in. That was kinda cool.

I dunno. Maybe it's good but comes across really good because it's been underdogged by the critics.

Anyway, after a google, the reviews are starting to look a bit like this from what I can tell..


Rotten Tomatoes audience reviews haven't come in yet but I'm getting the feeling they'll be at odds with the critics too.

Ya know... unless something later on in the show is just really really crap.

Unearthly

The IMDB scores are usually very inflated upon release because of the fans. Suicide Squad had a high rating originally before it eventually got scored as average/poor.

2 episodes in and while there is nothing new or ground breaking here i don't think its any worse than Jessica Jones or Luke Cage. Hopefully it doesn't fall off a cliff halfway through like the latter though

expectationlost

daddy meachums accent is very hard to take, the guy is Australian

Venom

I'm only 3 episodes in but I really don't see why this show is getting such negative reviews. The way some of those "critics" rated this show you would think it was utter trash and a total train wreck!

Deffo has I want to watch the next episode asap feel going for me.

Brief_Lives

I'm still on the fence on this... The weakest of the Defenders shows so far..
Ser Loras Tyrell and this Ward character are very weak.. The lads have no presence, in my opinion...
I'm not explaining myself very well, I have no real interest in their character's development. I do like the link with The Hand, and Faramir seems like he is going to cause some mischief..

Anyway, I will keep watching. Rosario Dawson is a quality actress, you know her scenes will be top notch.

Slydice

3 Episodes in and it's still good :eek:

Right at the end

(when he's pushed off the ledge) I totally wasn't expecting that, I kinda half jumped. I was kinda leaning in expecting to be shown something hard to see that he was spying on.

Anyway, just checked and Rotten Tomatoes audience has shown up:


I dunno. Either this gets really crap or something like netflix might've been gaming the system to get the show underdog status might've been happening.

Nervous Wreck

Slydice wrote: »

I dunno. Either this gets really crap or something like netflix might've been gaming the system to get the show underdog status might've been happening.

Nah, all the bad reviews were based on the first 6 episodes. Apparently some said that episode 6 was an improvement. I've seen 1-5 so far and each episode has been better than the last. The critics are just full of ****.

I dunno.. I'm kind of on the fence. It's not bad, as such, but doesn't compare to any of the previous Marvel shows so far. It lacks everything the others have and is definitely the weakest of any of the Defenders.

Nervous Wreck

I gotta say, I'm probably more engaged with this than I was with Luke Cage (though I loved LC)... it doesn't have as strong a villain as the other shows so far but that's possibly because, as of episode 6 anyway, the villain(s) are an unseen force.

Venom

Slydice wrote: »

3 Episodes in and it's still good :eek:

Right at the end

(when he's pushed off the ledge) I totally wasn't expecting that, I kinda half jumped. I was kinda leaning in expecting to be shown something hard to see that he was spying on.

Anyway, just checked and Rotten Tomatoes audience has shown up:


I dunno. Either this gets really crap or something like netflix might've been gaming the system to get the show underdog status might've been happening.

Metacritic shows a very similar disparity in scoring with 37 from critics and 7.3 by viewers.

Marje

I still can't find any interest in watching Luke Cage - half way through 2nd episode and that's a few weeks ago. Not a big fan of Jessica Jones but I did watch it all. Have watched both seasons of Daredevil which is my favourite.

Shall be starting episode 4 of Iron Fist and like it so far.

GottaGetGatt

On the sixth episode and honestly don't see how the reviews were bad. Absolutely loving this show so far.Definelty on par with Daredevil.

longshanks

Half way through this and enjoying it so far. It's not amazing, but a lot better than Luke Cage which was desperate.

mackes

I thought Luke cage was miles better than this sh#*e. Maybe it's the Kung fu style of fighting or the whole white saviour overtones but this could have easily been released in 6 or 7 episodes rather than dragging it out to 13. I gave up after ep 6. Any reason to keep going???

GottaGetGatt

mackes wrote: »

I thought Luke cage was miles better than this sh#*e. Maybe it's the Kung fu style of fighting or the whole white saviour overtones but this could have easily been released in 6 or 7 episodes rather than dragging it out to 13. I gave up after ep 6. Any reason to keep going???

"White Saviour overtones" Lol, did you get that from some online review. Did Luke Cage have "Black Saviour Overtones" then or Jessica Jones Feminst ones. I don't know much about the comic books but I'm pretty sure the character is white. Get over it.

JohnK

Just finished the lot; maybe it was hearing the bad reviews had lowered my expectations but that i really enjoyed it. Not as good as Dare Devil but 10 times better than Luke Cage, which I've never been able to finish.

Slydice

Just finished episode 4.

That was awesome! So many parts in play!

I'm pretty sure I noticed at _LEAST_ one subtle nod to the other shows

the asian lady in all black.. kept her eyes down (so could've been blind) and was had a backpack on.. who passed danny and joy as the walked down the street... probably a courier like in daredevil I think?

. There's probably loads others I've missed.

Also the scene with

the elevator and hatchets! that was cool but like.. felt shorter than the other shows corridor type scenes

And then like Colleen is out and all

kicking ass in the cage fights and like it's well cool but like WHY?! Why when Danny owes the cash.. but then she kinda explained.. I think I missed the bit where that debt wasn't to be paid.

Danny talking about

the training and the beatings.. yeah that was done well and I guess some might have thought it would've been too much if he showed more trauma from it.. but I think he could've

Venom

JohnK wrote: »

Just finished the lot; maybe it was hearing the bad reviews had lowered my expectations but that i really enjoyed it. Not as good as Dare Devil but 10 times better than Luke Cage, which I've never been able to finish.

I'm only up to episode 9 but already its better storywise than Luke Cage which fell off a cliff in the second half of the season despite having a much better main character.

The one thing where Iron Fist is let down for me is the fight scenes which just pale in comparison to Daredevil. I think part of the problem is we've gotten used to the brutal, more realistic and beautifully choreographed fights of Daredevil, which when compared to the Kung Fu syndrome style fights of a gazillion punch and kicks to drop a bad guy type action of Iron Fist, leave you feeling cheated.

titan18

I've finished it there and I think it's only ok. It's better than the reviews came out with, but I can also see where they're coming from. Finn Jones is a shocking actor and really drags down the series. A better actor there and this could have been much better, as all the others are actually fine. Dialogue is ropey and quite clunky at times too.

I think it's easily the worst of the superhero Netflix shows, and could have been much better with a better actor in the main part.

RacoonQueen

I'm enjoying it so far...tried as I might I could never get into Daredevil and didn't watch anything past episode one of season two. Never gave Luke Cage much of a chance...so for me, so far it's better than Daredevil. Maybe it's just an easier watch...Daredevil I always found quite 'heavy' watching - I get distracted too easily so kept missing what was going on.

Slydice

Episode 5 was good mainly because of

Night Nurse, She's really bringing a charisma to each show now

.

Also it was funny how

she was all kinda trying to get daredevil in like.. "you know you could probably do with a hero" and he's all "yeah that'd be me" and then she's all "well yeah but you could use some help" and then Colleen is all like "yeah I guess that'd be me"

One thing that comes across in this show from the previous shows is the

threat of the hand

. Without the previous shows

they'd probably not seem as ominous

but we saw

what they could do in daredevil season 2 so the ominous ness

doesn't feel without substance.

Unknown Soldier

Unearthly wrote: »

Watched the pilot and apart from some dodgy action scenes I'm not sure why this was panned. Very intriguing start

I think I might get why there are some bad reviews. I have just watched the first episode and it really annoyed me bar the last 10 minutes or so.

I think we have been spoiled with "great" TV shows with top notch screenwriting, and to be honest this is somewhat lacking in that department.

Now I know we have to suspend belief and all that but surely he could have sorted the whole "I'm him" stuff out in the office at the start? Fired out a few childhood facts that only they could have known? And not been an aggressive annoy twat for the first 30 minutes? In fairness hes had a few opportunities in the first episode to convince them! It's not like they have to believe him!

Maybe it is being true to the Comic or something?

But like I said, it did pick up in the last 10 mins or so, and I calmed down and as someone else said, the ending did have a "now you'll want to watch episode 2" feel of it.