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N22 - Macroom to Ovens [postponed until post 2027]

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,477 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Hopefully gathering data for the next capital investment plan after the next election which will hopefully be put forward when there adults who live on the same plane of reality as the rest of us in charge



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Norteño




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    ... the suggestion that government policy is the main thing preventing progress is surprisingly naive.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,477 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This scheme was a rather strange omission from the 2018-2027 plan. It was clearly flagged under a particular safety parameter by TII, under which all other projects flagged under the same safety parameter were included. (Two N2 projects, one N4 project, the entire N20 and the N22 around Killarney were included; notwithstanding the Macroom bypass being close to construction)

    Of course, since 2020 this has all gone out the window, for some reason



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I mean, TII have literally stated that Ryan has told them to stop progressing certain projects. How people can still be saying that Ryan has nothing to do with it is beyond be.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    This project was long-fingered long before Eamon Ryan took office, though. It was originally Ovens-Baile Bhuirne, but was split in order to prevent this eastern stretch blocking the vital safety work needed further west.

    My take is that there are some well funded interests along this route who would rather not have a motorway built along it, and that previous governments, just as this one, decided to put their efforts into projects that would not face obstruction at every turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    "Save The Lee Valley" were the campaign the last time around, but Eamon Ryan aside, there are much more important schemes than this out there.

    eg: N25 Waterford to New Ross. A similarly placed S2 between two dual carriageways but with a dreadful safety record. The "problem" with this N22 stretch is that despite the very high levels of traffic it has a good safety profile. That doesn't mean it should be ignored, it certainly should be built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Yes. N22 is safe, but slow, while N25 between Waterford Port and the New Ross bypass is just dangerous (the rest of N25 is pretty safe.. even Kinsalebeg).

    There are still dangerous stretches of National Primary routes that should be fixed before we spend a cent on making people's trips faster elsewhere; and the secondary network is even more in need of attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 mouldybags


    And lo it has come to pass. Traffic is now at standstill from the Aherla/Farran crossroads to the west end of Ballincollig every weekday morning. This was never an issue before the Macroom bypass opened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Induced demand meets a shortage of accommodation in Cork city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Is there any evidence that traffic has increased, or instead traffic is now more concentrated into a reduced time period?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭cantalach




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,477 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Heading east. Macroom previously acted as a literal bottleneck stemming the flow of traffic to the east. Now it arrives at Farran much faster.

    It's a combination of:

    1. One decent road serving a large population area
    2. Increasing numbers of people living outside Cork, either by choice or due to the lack of accomodation in Cork
    3. Sandwiching a single carriageway in between a motorway and a Type 2 DC, with the Type 2 DC having lower volumes than the SC
    4. Increased traffic using the N22 since Macroom BP opened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I'd also wonder if there are people living to the west of Macroom who used to work in the Killarney direction, now accepting jobs in the Cork area because now Macroom itself isn't a terrible barrier anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Agreed with all points.

    Throw in poor public transport connections from West of the city to the city into the mix too! There's not a lot of alternatives to the car, west of Ballincollig



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭yannakis


    Closure coming up for 19-23 Feb:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    All those Kerry teachers taking money out of the Cork economy they don't even buy lunch in Cork or motor fuel probably and disappear back to Killarney every evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Haha yes why did we build a bypass when we could have built a border wall!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    It was the old problem with that lot. Getting them to pay for the wall.

    A toll for day trippers coming east would be the best way of sorting it.



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