Shops leaving Manor west

jack harknes

Cake shop and clothes shop gone out of centre, rumours that Gloria Jeans and First Chapter might go too. Any body know what's going on?

cyning

jack harknes wrote: »

Cake shop and clothes shop gone out of centre, rumours that Gloria Jeans and First Chapter might go too. Any body know what's going on?

Which clothes shop? You'd imagine with that many gone leases must have been up and they tried to increases rents or something??

jack harknes

cyning wrote: »

Which clothes shop? You'd imagine with that many gone leases must have been up and they tried to increases rents or something??

Think it was called Shindig, was around corner from.First Chapter. Could well be increased rents.

kaiser31

jack harknes wrote: »

Think it was called Shindig, was around corner from.First Chapter. Could well be increased rents.

New owners, apparently all the units in the middle of the floor and been given notice to quit.

Ciarrai76

I had heard that the stall holder type ones in the middle were going, but I hadn't realised until last weekend that Shindig had left too. Shindig still have a shop in town, in Ashe Street.

ongarboy

That's interesting! I recall the SC was bought not so long ago by some property fund entity. I've heard of strategies before where owners/landlords deliberately price smaller retailers out of their units so that they can attract more big name stores to replace them as the value of the overall centre increases with more internationally recognised tenants. Maybe that's what's been done here?

jack harknes

Shops to be extended into rear car park?
Anyone heard, no planning app yet.

VincePP

ongarboy wrote: »

I've heard of strategies before where owners/landlords deliberately price smaller retailers out of their units so that they can attract more big name stores to replace them as the value of the overall centre increases with more internationally recognised tenants. Maybe that's what's been done here?

That simply cannot be done. Commercial leases over 5 years in length have protections and you can have rents arbitrated upon.
Rent is based on market price and there has to be a precedent for comparison.

Many small stores would have short term leases and these simply expire and are not renewed by either party and known months in advance. In many cases short leases are given because the centre knows development is coming and thus need flexibility and these leases are at low rents, but are rarely renewed. Basically it works for both parties as retailer gets a good rent and landlord gets flexibility.

The Sidewards Man

Tralee is fcuked, time to draw the line in the sand here folks. Manor was never a success story.

ongarboy

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Tralee is fcuked, time to draw the line in the sand here folks. Manor was never a success story.

Hello?? Care to back that up with facts?? It continuously ranks as one of the best performing centres in the country! The car park is packed every weekend. It had full tenant occupancy during most of the recession when loads of other centres were half empty. Just because a few smaller tenants have vacated recently does not make it a failure.

My only concern is the Debenhams receivership problem at the moment which would be a major blow for the town and the 100 people employed there if it shut down.

Ciarrai76

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Tralee is fcuked, time to draw the line in the sand here folks. Manor was never a success story.

How?? Manor has been open over 10 years, and has some great stores up there. Its been very successful, with all of their units occupied! Where did you get the idea its not a success story? As the previous poster said, the worry is with Debenhams being in examinership and the potential loss of jobs, but I don't think that's anything to do with Manor being successful or not, its a nationwide issue for them.

cyning

I can't imagine debenhams going entirely... And if they do is put money on it been bought out (remember all the doom and gloom when Roches Stores closed?).

And seriously it's incredibly busy...

Quackster

cyning wrote: »

I can't imagine debenhams going entirely... And if they do is put money on it been bought out (remember all the doom and gloom when Roches Stores closed?).

And seriously it's incredibly busy...

A major issue with Debenhams is the excessive Celtic Tiger leases they're tied into and there's a likelihood that some stores may close if the receivers can't negotiate reasonable rents.

So the ball is with the landlords. If they think they'll get in someone else who'll pay a higher rent, they'll tough it out and let Debenhams go.

The Sidewards Man

ongarboy wrote: »

Hello?? Care to back that up with facts?? It continuously ranks as one of the best performing centres in the country! The car park is packed every weekend. It had full tenant occupancy during most of the recession when loads of other centres were half empty. Just because a few smaller tenants have vacated recently does not make it a failure.

My only concern is the Debenhams receivership problem at the moment which would be a major blow for the town and the 100 people employed there if it shut down.

Americans fill the pubs every night and sip on a half pint for the night. Wake up folks.

jack harknes

Tralee, Waterford, Limerick, Galway and tallagh are likely to go, perhaps all of them if Roches won't lower rent on Henry st Dublin and St Patrick St Cork.
Also rumours abound that Manor West will be doing Pay & Display car parking.
That should reduce the footfall, soon be a ghost centre like a lot of the American Malls that have lost thier Anchor stores, which were Macys Sears and J C Penny's.

Ciarrai76

jack harknes wrote: »

Tralee, Waterford, Limerick, Galway and tallagh are likely to go, perhaps all of them if Roches won't lower rent on Henry st Dublin and St Patrick St Cork.
Also rumours abound that Manor West will be doing Pay & Display car parking.
That should reduce the footfall, soon be a ghost centre like a lot of the American Malls that have lost thier Anchor stores, which were Macys Sears and J C Penny's.

That will be interesting if they do bring in pay & display parking. I wonder how it will affect the place & whether businesses there will object!?

Gormal

Oh you have got to be kidding! Pay & display, that will really cause a drop to retailers. I won't be going there if they do that. Isn't the whole point of free parking to encourage the consumer to spend more time and money in the stores there.

embraer170

I'm not convinced all customers are prepared to accept Pay & Display.

amdaley28

What often happens with Pay & Display is that your ticket is validated when you buy something in a shop like Tesco etc
People who go there often just have a coffee & go for a walk around to look at the shops. They may or may not buy something.
If they charge like the outlet centre in Killarney no one will bother to go there at all. I know I wouldn't.
I don't think the shops would like that.

VincePP

jack harknes wrote: »

Tralee, Waterford, Limerick, Galway and tallagh are likely to go, perhaps all of them if Roches won't lower rent on Henry st Dublin and St Patrick St Cork.
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and that's based on what?

According to high court papers, the examiner is looking to repudiate just three leasesn - Limerick, Waterford & Tallaght.

jack harknes

VincePP wrote: »

and that's based on what?

According to high court papers, the examiner is looking to repudiate just three leasesn - Limerick, Waterford & Tallaght.

That was at least and Galway and Tralee are also in the full list, along with Henry st Dublin and St patrick st cork, both owned by Roches.

Quackster

Manor are not going to introduce pay & display parking unless they're legally obliged to. There was a government proposal some years ago to introduce it for all shopping centres in the country to level the playing field with urban centres but that was quietly dropped during the recession.

Killarney Outlet Centre and some other shopping centres mainly in the big cities have pay parking because it was a condition of planning.

jack harknes

How is it that mess of a phone accessories stand is still in manor?

Ciarrai76

jack harknes wrote: »

How is it that mess of a phone accessories stand is still in manor?

It was still there on Sunday last! Can't see it being there much longer.

jack harknes

New "Ye Old Sweet Shope" coming in front of Debenhams where the flower stall was.
Odd, it was thought the new owners wanted the small traders out.

Ciarrai76

jack harknes wrote: »

New "Ye Old Sweet Shope" coming in front of Debenhams where the flower stall was.
Odd, it was thought the new owners wanted the small traders out.

When did that open?

jack harknes

Putting it up as I type.

Ciarrai76

jack harknes wrote: »

Putting it up as I type.

I saw that sweet shop today. It's not open yet, still being stocked. It seems a very small unit. I was expecting it to be in where shindig was.

Ciarrai76

A decision on Debenhams Tralee has been delayed
http://traleetoday.ie/update-debenhams-survival/

jack harknes

So many rumours around about Manor West and in particular Debenhams.
Anyone know what's really going on?

g1983d

What's the story with the new Gates installed at the entrance nearest Adams?

Ciarrai76

g1983d wrote: »

What's the story with the new Gates installed at the entrance nearest Adams?

I would assume it is to stop cars coming in when the retail park is closed.

Gormal

Hopefully and not pay stations!

jack harknes

It seems that, according to newspaper reports, that all of Debenhams Landlords have come to an arrangement over rents.
Which,hopefully, means Debenhams will continue to trade in Tralee and all thier other stores.

jack harknes

Debenhams staff seem much happier.
That's good news.

jack harknes

Court agrees Debenhams will exit Examinership on the 25th August.
Minimum job losses and they were voluntary redundancies.
Good News.

Why so many GATES being installed, I thought they would only be at the two entrances.
Starting to look like a FEMA Detention Camp, only need a few Black Hummers driving around to finish it off.

g1983d

The gates are ugly as sin alright

ongarboy

jack harknes wrote: »

Court agrees Debenhams will exit Examinership on the 25th August.
Minimum job losses and they were voluntary redundancies.
Good News.

Why so many GATES being installed, I thought they would only be at the two entrances.
Starting to look like a FEMA Detention Camp, only need a few Black Hummers driving around to finish it off.

Ah that's great news for Debenhams and Manor!

embraer170

Any photos of these gates?

Quackster

The additional gates are to allow some parking areas to be closed off when only Tesco is open.

carchaeologist

Seems Suits select has bailed out now, heading for the John Joe Sheehy road.

jack harknes

carchaeologist wrote: »

Seems Suits select has bailed out now, heading for the John Joe Sheehy road.

Don't think it will work there for them, no footfall at all, they would need to be a destination store like M&S is.

jack harknes

Strange how the back overflow car park is closed to facilitate the building of the new McDonalds,when it hasn't even got planning permission yet, now the gates on the center will close at the latest 11:30 pm.
When the Hotel has a function, conferences, Leisure center users and coaches, where are they going to park?
Day time obvious answer is in the shopping center car park, thereby taking up spaces and reducing the number of customers for the shops.

ongarboy

Is there some long term plan for that overflow car park or is McDonalds acquiring some of that site? It looks really shabby and is the most immediately visible part of the centre from the main road which is a shame. The fact they haven't tarmacadamed and landscaped it like the rest of the complex suggests some development must be planned for there.

ongarboy

jack harknes wrote: »

Don't think it will work there for them, no footfall at all, they would need to be a destination store like M&S is.

I'm not sure about that. Shopping for suits (for men anyway!) is more of an intentional rather than an impulse purchase so I'd imagine customers would seek out such a store rather than accidentally stumble upon it while walking by so may not be as dependent on passing footfall as other retail shops. The banner ad on the outside of the building must be the largest ad I've seen in a while so you certainly wouldn't miss that!!

jack harknes

ongarboy wrote: »

Is there some long term plan for that overflow car park or is McDonalds acquiring some of that site? It looks really shabby and is the most immediately visible part of the centre from the main road which is a shame. The fact they haven't tarmacadamed and landscaped it like the rest of the complex suggests some development must be planned for there.

The Council refused planning permission as it's a 'gateway' site and they don't feel the big red'M' is the best thing to be seen when entering the town as I agree.