Is this legal

MemeGodYT

can i own this knife i am located in cork i just want it for show i cant post links but if u goto amazon.com and search TAC FORCE Pocket Knives BLACK Blade Tactical Knife it should be the first one

lostboy75

MemeGodYT wrote: »

can i own this knife i am located in cork i just want it for show i cant post links but if u goto amazon.com and search TAC FORCE Pocket Knives BLACK Blade Tactical Knife it should be the first one

No, it's not legal.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1991/si/66/made/en/print

2. It is hereby directed that section 12 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act, 1990 (No. 12 of 1990), shall apply to the following descriptions of weapons:

( a ) a flick-knife, that is to say—

(i) a knife which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or

(ii) a knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device;

MemeGodYT

this knife isnt a flick knife as far as ik there isnt a button or anything on it amazon.com/FORCE-Pocket-Knives-Tactical-Knife/dp/B01815FUSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460129448&sr=8-1&keywords=TAC+FORCE+Pocket+Knives+BLACK+Blade+Tactical+Knife

ForstalDave

MemeGodYT wrote: »

this knife isnt a flick knife as far as ik there isnt a button or anything on it amazon.com/FORCE-Pocket-Knives-Tactical-Knife/dp/B01815FUSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460129448&sr=8-1&keywords=TAC+FORCE+Pocket+Knives+BLACK+Blade+Tactical+Knife

"These spring assisted cool pocket knives" that would fall under flick knife id say im afraid

Fiskar

What about this one? I own it and keep it with a small flashlight in a pouch in my rucksack which I bring to work.

http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-5350-Folding/dp/B00SVE9WEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460206894&sr=8-1&keywords=no+time+off+crkt

Watch Ryder

ForstalDave wrote: »

"These spring assisted cool pocket knives" that would fall under flick knife id say im afraid

I don't know about that, the law doesn't say spring-assisted are banned just automatic knives which aren't the same thing.

Pat Mustard

See definition of flick-knife:

( a ) a flick-knife, that is to say—

(i) a knife which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or

(ii) a knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device;

This would take in flick knives and switchblades. Lever operation is also mentioned in the offensive weapons legislation. For that reason, I think that there is a concern that a court might take a view that flipper knives also contravene the legislation.

That Tac Force knife on Amazon has spring assisted opening. Therefore, I would say that it contravenes the legislation.

Ordinary folding knives are not considered offensive weapons and would be safer choices, in order to avoid criminal prosecution.

my3cents

I say is hard even to exclude opinel knives from the flick knife category because its easy enough to ease off the hinge and open the blade with a flick of the wrist.

Pat Mustard

my3cents wrote: »

I say is hard even to exclude opinel knives from the flick knife category because its easy enough to ease off the hinge and open the blade with a flick of the wrist.

If you mean the usual Opinel folding knives sold in tackle shops etc., they do not open by means of springs, buttons, lever, or any other devices. They are not flick knives. They are bog standard folding knives.

my3cents

Pat Mustard wrote: »

If you mean the usual Opinel folding knives sold in tackle shops etc., they do not open by means of springs, buttons, lever, or any other devices. They are not flick knives. They are bog standard folding knives.

With a loose hinge they'll open under gravity and with a bit of a flick of the wrist you don't need gravity.

Most are such a pain in the ass to open particularly if they have ever got wet that they would never be considered a flick knife. However if used like a flick knife as I know they can be then the legislation is such that they could be included in that category.

Pat Mustard

Can you quote where it says that in the legislation?

my3cents

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Can you quote where it says that in the legislation?

I think you can find the word gravity in the legislation?

CJhaughey

You missed the bit where it says "and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device"
that means it has to lock which an Opinel does not unless you slide the collar around.

my3cents

CJhaughey wrote: »

You missed the bit where it says "and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device"
that means it has to lock which an Opinel does not unless you slide the collar around.

And if you practice you can do exactly that. Thumb and forefinger on the collar and away you go.

Pat Mustard

my3cents wrote: »

I think you can find the word gravity in the legislation?

I see that now. However, Opinel knives don't become locked open automatically. You have to apply the lock manually.

lostboy75

Pat Mustard wrote: »

I see that now. However, Opinel knives don't become locked open automatically. You have to apply the lock manually.

The way this is written it can be interpreted so many ways. It's quite difficult to know what was actually ment.
It doesn't actually say locks automatically, it says "when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other" the blade does lock, the collar could classify as other?
In my opinion anyone that is being prosecuted for carrying an opinel, I suspect that would not be the only reason they are in court.

Pat Mustard

(ii) a knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device;

When you open an Opinel, it doesn't lock in an open position.

my3cents

Pat Mustard wrote: »

When you open an Opinel, it doesn't lock in an open position.

Digital intervention could be said to be other means

I'm just trying to say beware, its easier not to have to explain to the authorities how to interpret the law. If you have a fettled up Opinel don't open up the hinge gap so the blade can drop open and don't ease the locking ring so it can be locked with a light flick of the fingers.

If you are thinking about what you are doing you aren't likely to fall into any category that is going to get stopped and searched in the first place.