Isis finally getting their asses kicked on multiple fronts

Bigus

Link to interactive map with updates in the right side column , has seemed to be accurate in the past .

About time the international community got them on the run ,although Putin seemed to be the one to get the ball rolling, will they show ISIS any mercy , I doubt it .

http://isis.liveuamap.com/

Zillah

It's easy to make progress when you couldn't give a toss about civilian casualties (re Putin).

donvito99

Bigus wrote: »

although Putin seemed to be the one to get the ball rolling

The west has had thousands of sorties against the Islamic State.

The Russian Federation is more interested in propping up Assad and preserving what little influence they have in the region.

Meanwhile the Russian economy dumped 4% last year. Putin more popular than ever no doubt. Just blame it on Obama or someit

drunkmonkey

Zillah wrote: »

It's easy to make progress when you couldn't give a toss about civilian casualties (re Putin).

Ahem https://www.iraqbodycount.org Progress and Bodycount don't run parrell.

lawlolawl

I always feel a bit weird about these situations. Whilst I feel that anyone who attacks the western world deserves everything that is coming to them, I feel sorry for the innocent civilians that suffer as a result of these arseholes hiding amongst them.

After 9/11 the USA utterly annihilated Al Queda and rightly so, but an airstrike that vaporises half a mountain in Afghanistan stands a good chance of killing someone who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The same thing will happen with ISIS. These guys are doomed because they are outnumbered and outgunned by a better trained and equipped opponent but they will try to ensure that as many civilians as possible are taken out with them as well.

That raises the question of what are considered "acceptable losses" and that is just depressing.

drunkmonkey

They haven't anialuated Al Queda, the won't wipe out ISIS, they should have learned a valuable lesson from the Viet Cong but sadly for humanity not.

Bigus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They haven't anialuated Al Queda, the won't wipe out ISIS, they should have learned a valuable lesson from the Viet Cong but sadly for humanity not.

Perhaps , but with no land Isis aren't a caliphate, which is a good start and relegates them from pole position propaganda wise .
Also there's going to be a fair wipe out of jihadis from all over the world if they stop them escaping through Turkey.

ClovenHoof

Great, they'll be all living here soon if Boyd Barrett and Brendan Ogle get their way.

lawlolawl

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They haven't anialuated Al Queda, the won't wipe out ISIS, they should have learned a valuable lesson from the Viet Cong but sadly for humanity not.

The US had something like 15 top guys in Al Queda as targets and they tracked down and killed 14 of them and the other guy died of natural causes. They are really good at tracking people down and ending them.

Osama got shot in the face cowering behind a woman after a decade in hiding and then they tossed his body in the sea.

They kicked the **** out of Al Queda and the same will happen to ISIS. The question is the cost to innocent bystanders.

For instance, the plan to kill Jihadi John was originally to send in ground troops but someone in charge decided that was too risky and ended up ordering a drone strike on him instead as he was getting into a car. I'm pretty sure that other people than him were killed that day.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I wouldn't call living in your own house in the country you're from as "In hiding" now to be fair

drunkmonkey

lawlolawl wrote: »

Osama got shot in the face cowering behind a woman after a decade in hiding and then they tossed his body in the sea.

That's story's right up there with the 3 little pigs. Don't believe a word of it.

Pat Mustard

lawlolawl wrote: »

Osama got shot in the face cowering behind a woman

I understand that this is the report from the relevant SEAL team.

It's not objective though. They are not an objective source.

enfant terrible

You can thank the Kurds for stopping the ISIS advance.

They are the boots on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuC2SwpprvA

BoJack Horseman

enfant terrible wrote: »

You can thank the Kurds for stopping the ISIS advance.

They are the boots on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuC2SwpprvA

Indeed they are.... but they are also covered every step of the way by the USAF & it's forward air controllers & special forces working with them on the ground.

Iraqi gains have been covered similarly, plus the addition of some USMC ground fire..

biko

Indeed, the Kurds are to be commended for their struggle against IS, and against Turkey that is stabbing them in the back while the Kurds are fighting IS.

Mongfinder General

biko wrote: »

Indeed, the Kurds are to be commended for their struggle against IS, and against Turkey that is stabbing them in the back while the Kurds are fighting IS.

Why do the Kurds always get ****ed in the ass?

enfant terrible

biko wrote: »

Indeed, the Kurds are to be commended for their struggle against IS, and against Turkey that is stabbing them in the back while the Kurds are fighting IS.

Yes the Kurds are truly an inspiring and resolute people considering what they've been through with Saddam i.e Halabja and now ISIS.

enfant terrible

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Why do the Kurds always get ****ed in the ass?

Britain decides to include them in some arbitrary borders and make a country called Iraq governed by a genocidal maniac.

511

enfant terrible wrote: »

Britain decides to include them in some arbitrary borders and make a country called Iraq governed by a genocidal maniac.

Britain didn't appoint Saddam, the party he waas a member of took control about a decade later after a revolution. Saddam then ruled the party about 2 decades afterwards.

diograis

As far as I remember there was a wiki leak by an American security company that claimed they believed he was still alive. In fairness, the idea that they dumped his body at sea is fairly unbelievable, and he seems a lot more useful to them alive.

Typical US government shenanigans

JackieBauer

The Kurds are another terrorist group responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. No better than the Turkish government. I wonder where people get their news from

Richard Hillman

JackieBauer wrote: »

The Kurds are another terrorist group responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. No better than the Turkish government. I wonder where people get their news from

Obscure blogs, Chomsky and rogue Channel 4 reporters.

Richard Hillman

ISIS are done for. If it were left to the SJWs they would have taken Syria already and all set up to expand the caliphate into Jordan and Lebanon.

lawlolawl

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's story's right up there with the 3 little pigs. Don't believe a word of it.

So what was that raid like anyway?

I presume you were there if you are making a claim like that.

HensVassal

diograis wrote: »

As far as I remember there was a wiki leak by an American security company that claimed they believed he was still alive. In fairness, the idea that they dumped his body at sea is fairly unbelievable, and he seems a lot more useful to them alive.

Typical US government shenanigans

Fox and NYT reported him dead in December 2001.


But trotting out the same videos for years after was a great way to keep the war on terra going.

iDave

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I wouldn't call living in your own house in the country you're from as "In hiding" now to be fair

He was held up day in day out in a walled compound. Never went outside. All errands were done by someone else who brought supplies back to the compound. Screens were placed in front of windows and doors so photographs couldn't be taken of those inside.
By any definition that's 'in hiding'.

Leslie91

iDave wrote: »

He was held up day in day out in a walled compound. Never went outside. All errands were done by someone else who brought supplies back to the compound. Screens were placed in front of windows and doors so photographs couldn't be taken of those inside.
By any definition that's 'in hiding'.

And by all accounts he is originally from Saudi and ended up in that village in Pakistan in that compound.

wes

JackieBauer wrote: »

The Kurds are another terrorist group responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. No better than the Turkish government. I wonder where people get their news from

Kurds are an ethnic group.

The PKK and other Kurdish groups, can be described as terrorists, as they have attacked civilians in the past. However, at this point in time, I think it fair to say that ISIS are far worse.

Having said that, the more extremist nationalist Kurdish groups, could use the weapons etc being supplied to them, and attack Turkey in the future. Basically, I expect any assistance to any anti-ISIS group to back fire in some way, as it has pretty much every time so far.

Sadly, Turkish ultra nationalists will never let there be fair solution of the Kurdish people.

speedboatchase

JackieBauer wrote: »

The Kurds are another terrorist group responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. No better than the Turkish government. I wonder where people get their news from

That's an awful statement, no different from saying that Muslims are another terrorist group, because of the actions of ISIS.

The Kurds are a group of people (and the bravest fighters in Syria, bar none). The YPG are terrorists.

dav32cs

speedboatchase wrote: »

That's an awful statement, no different from saying that Muslims are another terrorist group, because of the actions of ISIS.

The Kurds are a group of people (and the bravest fighters in Syria, bar none). The YPG are terrorists.

The vast majority of Kurds in Syria are the YPG ( the bravest fighters you talk about). Another number of them are included in the SDF umbrella.

V_Moth

The Kurds have done very well in pushing IS/ISIS/Daesh out of the north of Syria, but face a problem in that they can't/won't advance into areas where non-Kurds form the majority of the population to the south. The best hope stifling IS is with the Kurds taking back Aleppo Governorate and cutting off the supply line from Turkey. But IS are far from "done".

A bigger worry is how stable Saudi Arabia is. From what I have heard the state is loosing money hand over fist and there appears to be a lot of tension in the royal family about recent changes in the succession. Ordinary Saudi's also don't appear particularly happy being pretty much ordered to start working in jobs normally done by the immigrant (slave) labour. A Saudi Spring, especially if the Army fractures along succession lines, would put Syria in the half-penny place.

wes

V_Moth wrote: »

The Kurds have done very well in pushing IS/ISIS/Daesh out of the north of Syria, but face a problem in that they can't/won't advance into areas where non-Kurds form the majority of the population to the south.

I think there right to do that. I doubt they would be looked on as saviors by the people living there, and would just get themselves into a quagmire imho.

sabat

lawlolawl wrote: »

So what was that raid like anyway?

I presume you were there if you are making a claim like that.

Seymour Hersh, Pulitzer Prize winner and the man who exposed My Lai and Abu Ghraib on the subject:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

It was so patently obvious that the entire official account of what happened to Bin Laden was bullsh1t that I'd question the intelligence of anyone who accepted it at face value.

Dyr

International community my hole, this is down to the russkies wading in on Assads side.

biko

JackieBauer wrote: »

The Kurds are another terrorist group responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. No better than the Turkish government. I wonder where people get their news from

We're talking YPG and Peshmerga here, not PKK (even though they're all Kurds and loosely tied.

30+ years of insurgency warfare has battle-hardened the PKK into the best fighting-force of the Middle East. They are feared by Islamic State fighters as they have won every single battle against them while all other armed forces are happy if they can stand their ground.


The Kurds have women fighters which scares the IS absolutely ****less as if they get killed by a woman they don't get to go to heaven nor get 72 virgins..

wes

biko wrote: »

The Kurds have women fighters which scares the IS absolutely ****less as if they get killed by a woman they don't get to go to heaven nor get 72 virgins..

I doubt that is true. Reminds me of that El Chapo drug lord guy, declaring war on ISIS story, and or ISIS tricking someone into eating a dead relative story. There seems to no information to confirm that stuff, but people believe it in anyways.

Gatling

Seems al nursa and a few other groups have started a new offensive in alleppo earlier today

V_Moth

Bambi wrote: »

International community my hole, this is down to the russkies wading in on Assads side.

It is a war bringing the world together in one place

Lets see who is involved:

-Syria
-Lebanon (proxy Hezbollah)
-Israel
-Iraq
-Iran
-North Korea (!)
-Qatar
-Saudi Arabia
-Turkey
-US
-UK
-France
-Canada
-Netherlands
-Australia
-Jordan
-UAE
-Bahrain
-Morocco
-Russia
-various others countries via fighters joining IS/ISIS

Gatling

V_Moth wrote: »

It is a war bringing the world together in one place

Lets see who is involved:

-Syria
-Lebanon (proxy Hezbollah)
-Israel
-Iraq
-Iran
-North Korea (!)
-Qatar
-Saudi Arabia
-Turkey
-US
-UK
-France
-Canada
-Netherlands
-Australia
-Jordan
-UAE
-Bahrain
-Morocco
-Russia
-various others countries via fighters joining IS/ISIS

It's 28 fighting with the US alone

WarZ

biko wrote: »

We're talking YPG and Peshmerga here, not PKK (even though they're all Kurds and loosely tied.

30+ years of insurgency warfare has battle-hardened the PKK into the best fighting-force of the Middle East. They are feared by Islamic State fighters as they have won every single battle against them while all other armed forces are happy if they can stand their ground.


The Kurds have women fighters which scares the IS absolutely ****less as if they get killed by a woman they don't get to go to heaven nor get 72 virgins..

The PKK are not the best fighting force in the Middle East. The PKK are a guerilla terrorist group aimed primarily at Turkey. Their equivalent is the YPG who are very disorganized.

The group you are probably referring to are the Peshmerga in Iraq who are awesome fighters however even the Peshmerga fall far behind Hezbolla and the Revolutionary guards as the fighting force of the middle east.

As someone who has been on the front lines in Kiirkuk I have seen first hand that there is a huge Iranian contingent embedded amongst the peshmerga and Iraqi forces.

Gatling

WarZ wrote: »

As someone who has been on the front lines in Kiirkuk I have seen first hand that there is a huge Iranian contingent embedded amongst the peshmerga and Iraqi forces.

When were you there .

Press or other

Liberosis

Gatling wrote: »

When were you there .

Press or other

"Other", meaning someone who probably has an unmarked van parked outside his house right now. :P

NIMAN

WarZ wrote: »

The PKK are not the best fighting force in the Middle East. The PKK are a guerilla terrorist group aimed primarily at Turkey. Their equivalent is the YPG who are very disorganized.

The group you are probably referring to are the Peshmerga in Iraq who are awesome fighters however even the Peshmerga fall far behind Hezbolla and the Revolutionary guards as the fighting force of the middle east.

As someone who has been on the front lines in Kiirkuk I have seen first hand that there is a huge Iranian contingent embedded amongst the peshmerga and Iraqi forces.

Iranian and Iraqi forces fight side by side now?

wes

NIMAN wrote: »

Iranian and Iraqi forces fight side by side now?

They have been there for a while:

Iran has over 1,000 troops in Iraq, less than 2,000 in Syria: U.S. general

Not sure how accurate the numbers are however.

NIMAN

Amazing considering their past.

But interesting to know.

Samaris

NIMAN wrote: »

Amazing considering their past.

But interesting to know.

I guess while the tornado is ripping your estate up is no time to argue about who's sharing the storm shelter.

La Haine

Yup.

Amirani

NIMAN wrote: »

Amazing considering their past.

But interesting to know.

The Iran/Iraq conflicts were as much Saddam/Iran conflicts as anything else. Iraq, like Iran, are majority Shia. The Saddam government was Sunni and didn't represent large swathes of the population.

Also as pointed, if your option as a Shia in Iraq is ISIS or Iranian military, I know which you're going to pick.

Dyr

La Haine wrote: »

Yup.

gawd bluss murica!

Lets be honest the angel is more likely to look this and will blow the arse out of her and her family

http://axisphilly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/7414675214_29498fb057_h1-1022x620.jpg

Gatling

NIMAN wrote: »

Iranian and Iraqi forces fight side by side now?

Travel outside Baghdad towns and cites buildings fly Iranian flags and images of Ali Khamenei irans supreme leader .

Whats worse iran was heavily involved in the last iraq insurgency agaisnt the US

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Travel outside Baghdad towns and cites buildings fly Iranian flags and images of Ali Khamenei irans supreme leader .

Whats worse iran was heavily involved in the last iraq insurgency agaisnt the US

Yes, the Americans are now working unofficially with those who were killing them a few years ago. Mosul will be taken back from Isis with the help of Hashd, one of the most powerful Iranian backed militias in Iraq.