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What school taught you about law, dictatorships and mob rule

  • 31-03-2016 8:21pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭


    The title says a lot but I want to be clear I don't mean in the structure way of prescribed lessons I am talking about teacher behaviour and punishment.

    Lots of memories of teachers basically punishing the whole class to make one person to confess through peer pressure. Teachers assuming a particular pupil was guilty of something in full knowledge that they were innocent.

    Right through all my years in school I recall teachers acting very unfairly or in tyrannical ways. This has made me in general very weary of summary judgement from anybody. I have seen people blame others from what I know they did and twist their popularity to get people to gang upon somebody else and even get a false confession.

    Did anybody else notice?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    However much teachers' behaviour taught me, I saw far more of it from other pupils.

    Teenagers can be mean sods!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Ray Palmer wrote: »

    Did anybody else notice?

    Are you sure you didn't go to a borstal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    The school of hard knocks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    No


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can't say I ever noticed much collective punishment. Sounds more like Full Metal Jacket.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    the dog ate my homework


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    XR3i wrote: »
    the dog ate my homework

    My cat ate mine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    No, can't say I can relate to your analogy at all. My teachers were interested, were educators and were role models for me.

    This is back in 1952 to 1966.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    The one thing I learned from school was that there's always one lunatic from some year that will at some point own a mopehead/motor bike that they will be too young to own/ride legally on the road, but will zoom up and past the school repeatedly (with no helmet on, and giving the finger) some day your stuck in double maths.

    This will cause much hilarity to the pupils, but much annoyance to the teachers.

    Said pupil will normally get into an almighty shīt storm for his motorcycle madness when he decides to who a up in class again.

    Also, someone's dog will at some point have followed them to school some day and will most likely get inside the school and foam the corridors unabated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,731 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Went to a tiny primary school with 3 teachers and never saw anything like that.

    Secondary was much bigger but still didn't really see much, a teacher slapped me once and then spent the next day apologising, either out of genuine remorse or for fear I'd sue or something.

    If you are talking about the 'until we find out who broke the pen,nobody can go out and play' approach, sure I saw that, but I wouldn't associate it with tyranny or similar.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    This was the 80s. Teachers would punish the whole class unless somebody confessed to something like stealing the duster. I don't think my school was very repressive. Everybody else I know has similar stories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    Reading some of these make me realise that my primary school was pretty bad. We had this teacher (also the principal) who took a particular disliking to me. I sat by the door and almost every morning when he came in to the room he gave me a slap round the head with the Irish Times :(

    The deputy principal caused a bit of a **** storm for hitting one of the younger kids. Parents went ballistic. Sadly this isn't that long ago. She's still there.

    Secondary school was the worst time of my life, although the teachers weren't bad.


  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    i fell in love with my german teacher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I almost pity them the fools


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Pretty much stopped stressing out about it after I left school. Like most people, I'd presume.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭buried


    Best thing I did in all the school's I went to was literally learn nothing or take anything away from these grim institutions. They peddle nothing but a grim routine in order for their depressed employee's to pay their huge mortgages. Education or the joy of learning anything don't come in to it in these stat obsesssed western education $hitholes

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    The older I get the more I sympathise with anything teachers did (within reason) as teenagers are easily the worst age group of all to deal with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Liberosis wrote: »
    Reading some of these make me realise that my primary school was pretty bad. We had this teacher (also the principal) who took a particular disliking to me. I sat by the door and almost every morning when he came in to the room he gave me a slap round the head with the Irish Times :(

    The deputy principal caused a bit of a **** storm for hitting one of the younger kids. Parents went ballistic. Sadly this isn't that long ago. She's still there.

    Secondary school was the worst time of my life, although the teachers weren't bad.

    I remember one guy getting this abuse like that everyday from one teacher. Now I would say at the time I was laughing because the guy was complete ahole. Now I think that he was being bullied and passing it down the line. His life did not turn out well. It also turns out his dad used to beat him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Pretty much stopped stressing out about it after I left school. Like most people, I'd presume.

    I am not worried about it I use it as a compass for how society works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    5starpool wrote: »
    The older I get the more I sympathise with anything teachers did (within reason) as teenagers are easily the worst age group of all to deal with.

    Don't get me wrong there were people I went to school with who I thought should be locked up for what they did and I knew about who knows what else hey did but them. Any adult dealing with them deserves a medal but dictatorships to rule was what many used but that was secondary school. I remeber it in primary


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭rsh118


    To be fair, when a teacher turns around and calls a pupil out 9/10 they are spot on and know the buttons to press to get an honest answer.

    And collective punishment is a demonstration that letting someone get away with something makes you almost as bad as them.

    Teacher has to keep their cool though. As soon as a teacher has lost the rag the lose the game.


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