Anyone Heard of this before??

50HX

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

TPF2012

I heard that too, the trick is to get them to look up.

50HX

TPF2012 wrote: »

I heard that too, the trick is to get them to look up.

:D:D

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

50HX wrote: »

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

I was wondering why my cows were looking upto the sky the last few days

Figerty

It's the same satellite that couldn't find Osama Bin Laden..I'd say the cows won't have to go into hiding

freedominacup

50HX wrote: »

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

We had an issue relating to maps last year. As soon as I mentioned "engineer" there was a huge intake of breath and we were paid the following weekend.

croot

50HX wrote: »

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

Was he wearing a hat made out of tinfoil?

Figerty

freedominacup wrote: »

We had an issue relating to maps last year. As soon as I mentioned "engineer" there was a huge intake of breath and we were paid the following weekend.

There is a lot of reliance on the 'system' in the various departents. The Lidar system has a tolerance of about 5%..
The Dept. of Ed. was using google maps to decide distance from colleges to judge grant applications. This is nuts.

The word engineer and proper measurements is something they don't like..

mf240

_Brian

I read somewhere that Google maps was actually by aircraft rather than satellite. I think access to satellite for live or relatively live data is restricted to military only.
May be wrong but must google it.

foxy farmer

Could be the script to an irish remake of Enemy of the State!
They'd have to read through a layer of shilaster? on mine. Had a test recently and had to get water and cloth to read a few of them.

greenpetrol

50HX wrote: »

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

I'm pretty sure they could not tell what at kind of animal it is ! Sheep horse or cow ! Just a unit

blue5000

50HX wrote: »

talking to a group of lads on Friday about arable land,cross compliance etc and it was mentioned that the satellite that's used to generate the maps for the BPS can also read the tag numbers on the cows..

seems very far fetched to me that it can be that accurate but he was certain of it

anyone heard of this before??

My eyesight must be fair bad so, or else it's shoite, or hairy ears, would be doing well to read a tag at 5 yards these days. It wouldn't surprise me tbh.

djmc

I read a newspaper article about two years ago about the new sattalite map system that the department were getting could distinguish different plants growing on the ground like heather ragwort etc.
There might be some merit to it but I would think being able to read tags is a bit of a stretch.
I would think it's better than Google or bing maps all the same though.

Sam Kade

Figerty wrote: »

It's the same satellite that couldn't find Osama Bin Laden..I'd say the cows won't have to go into hiding

Bin laden was a bad un, some say he was Bush dressed up.

jungleman

djmc wrote: »

I read a newspaper article about two years ago about the new sattalite map system that the department were getting could distinguish different plants growing on the ground like heather ragwort etc.
There might be some merit to it but I would think being able to read tags is a bit of a stretch.
I would think it's better than Google or bing maps all the same though.

It's not that the satellite gives such detailed imagery that different fauna is distinguishable, it's to do with the reflectivity properties of individual plants. So heather would have a different reflectivity to a different plant, making it easily identifiable.

As far as the OP goes, I doubt that cattle tags are visible from satellite imagery, even using Lidar. Lidar data files are huge, so usually to actually create an image using Lidar vast amounts of data are removed in order to make it more workable.

Using Google maps to judge distances and boundaries is just insane.

kowtow

Reminds me of the brass plaque they had installed on the roof of the pentagon in the Reagan era.

In 12 point type, it said (in Russian)

"If you can read this, congratulations. You are where we were five years ago"

MF290

I was told they could read a newspaper from these satellites if they wanted to!

Figerty

MF290 wrote: »

I was told they could read a newspaper from these satellites if they wanted to!

The Americans control the GPS system, if they wanted to turn up the accuracy they can. If they want to turn it off they can also.
Satellite capability is way better than we know but I doubt the CIA are going to let Simon Coveney into the system!

MF290

Figerty wrote: »

The Americans control the GPS system, if they wanted to turn up the accuracy they can. If they want to turn it off they can also.
Satellite capability is way better than we know but I doubt the CIA are going to let Simon Coveney into the system!

I was nearly sure Europe were putting one up in the past few years? The Americans can alter the accuracy to suit themselves during war

freedominacup

jungleman wrote: »

Using Google maps to judge distances and boundaries is just insane.

Maybe not Google maps but they certainly are using satellite maps to judge boundaries. You are then down to where any particular engineer runs his line on the map. Hence the intake of breath when I said engineer because you are then down to a swearing match between two professionals if it ended up in court. All they wanted me to do was follow their appeals procedure. I said why bother. Just give me the maps you used and I'll get my engineer to measure the disputed plots. That was last October. If I followed their appeals procedure I'd still be stuck in it. I'd say a lot of the map disputes would have been resolved in more farmers favour if they'd gotten a professional on the case.

Dawggone

MF290 wrote: »

The Americans can alter the accuracy to suit themselves during war

The yanks are constantly at war...it's like as Orwell predicted in his '1984'.

Just saying.

Victor

A satellite can't read ear tags, but it can certainly count the number of animals.

I imagine it would be difficult enough to read ear tags with aircraft - unless you have the cows at the airport.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

I read somewhere that Google maps was actually by aircraft rather than satellite. I think access to satellite for live or relatively live data is restricted to military only.
May be wrong but must google it.

Most of Google earth was done by US Navy satellites. That's why when you focus into the Americans big naval base in Norfolk or large Airbase such as Nellis AFB there's nothing there. All military equipment was photoshopped out.

RightTurnClyde

MF290 wrote: »

I was told they could read a newspaper from these satellites if they wanted to!

Would it not be cheaper to just go to the shop and buy the paper?

Victor

Reggie. wrote: »

Most of Google earth was done by US Navy satellites. That's why when you focus into the Americans big naval base in Norfolk or large Airbase such as Nellis AFB there's nothing there. All military equipment was photoshopped out.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Norfolk,+VA,+USA/@36.9349465,-76.3327396,513m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a

Figerty

Victor wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Norfolk,+VA,+USA/@36.9349465,-76.3327396,513m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a

You know this site is now going to be monitored by homeland security now.. it's not just the cows they will be watching!

Victor

Figerty wrote: »

You know this site is now going to be monitored by homeland security now.. it's not just the cows they will be watching!

What do I care, I'm on a CIA watch-list already.

djmc

http://maps.us.nearmap.com/?ll=37.403183,-121.969806&z=19&nmd=20160127

Just a look at near maps in the US to zoom in on cars etc.
It's a lot clearer than Google earth

MF290

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Would it not be cheaper to just go to the shop and buy the paper?

Haha where's the fun in that!

ganmo

I know they were looking at a system to determine if you spread slurry or parlour washings

emaherx

Holy craps lads, can I have one of them tin foil hats?

Most so called satellite images are taken from air craft especially Google maps. Even the US military rarely use spy satellites as UAV's are much more effective. In fact recently they handed over much of the fleight of "spy" satellites to NASA who have redirected them as they make excellent telescopes.

A spy satellite capable of reading tags/newspapers could only focus on a single tag at a time, so I'd doubt anyone in the department would haves access to a satellite long enough to read a single tag let alone every tag in the country. How many days a year could they rely on such technology if it existed. Clouds, hairy ears, mucky tags and trees would make it useless.

If farms are being surveyed by satellite, the first notices farmers would be receiving would be uncut henges, long before they could distinguish ragwort from butter cups or start reading tags. And this could be done much easier, more cost effectively and more days of the year by more traditional aircraft.

And as for GPS satellites mentioned, they have nothing to do with satellite imaging.

jungleman

freedominacup wrote: »

Maybe not Google maps but they certainly are using satellite maps to judge boundaries. You are then down to where any particular engineer runs his line on the map. Hence the intake of breath when I said engineer because you are then down to a swearing match between two professionals if it ended up in court. All they wanted me to do was follow their appeals procedure. I said why bother. Just give me the maps you used and I'll get my engineer to measure the disputed plots. That was last October. If I followed their appeals procedure I'd still be stuck in it. I'd say a lot of the map disputes would have been resolved in more farmers favour if they'd gotten a professional on the case.

Ah yeah, satellites are widely used to judge area boundaries, and usable space in agricultural land. I could be working in that sector myself soon enough!