young v old

Myths or reality that in Ireland/ Europe society is dividing alone the lines of an older generation who had more secure employment/housing etc verses a younger generation who have less certainty and more insecurity. I know that was current thinking during the recession.

corner of hells

I , myself , bought a new belt recently to keeps my pants in order.

Maximus Alexander

Sounds like a bit of a myth to be honest. Plenty of the 'older' generation would have had a fairly rough time find and holding down a steady job in Ireland in the 80s and before.

the evasion_kid

Reality for me,when I look at my father,grandfather,older uncles they were all in the same jobs 30+ years,had their houses paid for years ago.

yet you do get a sense that employment in particular is divided between well paid secure work or unionised work or both verses insecure poorly paid employment on the other side, look at the tone of some the post about the gaurds or the luas workers or work in general.

I could be reading too much of boards though.

marienbad

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Reality for me,when I look at my father,grandfather,older uncles they were all in the same jobs 30+ years,had their houses paid for years ago.

on the other hand they stayed in jobs they absolutely hated year after year for the benefit of their families .

MacauDragon

Run up external future debts and guarantee your future self a huge pension while ensuring a poor supply of housing which makes your own houses value skyrocket and makes you a rich land baron.

Oldest trick in the book.

JustShon

Depends how you define the older generation.

Both of my parents (62 years old) have outright said they don't know how young people manage these days and they had it much easier.

Mam in particular was able to just quit a job over anything she disagreed with and find another one. It was all factory work but she once left a job because they weren't allowed listen to the radio, she walked straight into another job.

Dad got a job with the ESB when he was in his 20s and kept until he took early retirement due to a disability a few years ago.

the evasion_kid

marienbad wrote: »

on the other hand they stayed in jobs they absolutely hated year after year for the benefit of their families .

They loved their jobs that's the thing,you'd be hard pushed to find jobs like them nowadays,they got out at the right time.I was only down with my father yesterday,he's getting on in years now but was asking me how the job was going,"unstable" was my answer,to which he replied "as soon as I shut my eyes for good... Sell the whole fcuking lot of this place and get out of this country"

mahoganygas

In the past it was seen as a good thing to hold the same job for 30+ years.

Nowadays, that's not always the case.
Particularly in technology/finance careers.

beach_walker

Look they definitely had it tough but things are hard now too. For instance my Dad working an unskilled job and as the sole income provider was able to buy a nice house and support the family. Unheard of now. Even me as a well paid engineer would struggle to do likewise (taking into account similar house and area etc.).

Maximus Alexander

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Reality for me,when I look at my father,grandfather,older uncles they were all in the same jobs 30+ years,had their houses paid for years ago.

Things were all right in the 60s and most of the 70s because the government were falling over themselves to create public sector jobs. That resulted in a 3rd of the workforce being in the public sector by the late 70s, which was unsustainable and led to this.

Anyone entering the workforce from the late 70s to the mid 90s had it worse than those entering it now. Indeed for plenty of that period it was worse than the peak of the recent recession.

JustShon

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Anyone entering the workforce from the late 70s to the mid 90s had it worse than those entering it now. Indeed for plenty of that period it was worse than the peak of the recent recession.

That's exactly why I said it depends on what you consider to be "the older generation"

My mam and dad found it easy but people just 10 years younger than them didn't have the same experience at all.

Alf Stewart.

Thread title sounds like a video category from some or them porn sites.**

** according to my son.

Maximus Alexander

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

** according to my son.

Duncan?

topper75

the evasion_kid wrote: »

They loved their jobs that's the thing,you'd be hard pushed to find jobs like them nowadays,they got out at the right time.I was only down with my father yesterday,he's getting on in years now but was asking me how the job was going,"unstable" was my answer,to which he replied "as soon as I shut my eyes for good... Sell the whole fcuking lot of this place and get out of this country"

This assumes stability elsewhere. I feel it is rather a global issue unfortunately.

There are things we have easier and things we have rougher. It is an apples and oranges comparison.

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." LP Hartley

maudgonner

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Duncan?

Or Roo with a sex change.

Hannibelle Smeeeth

It's a myth with us. My folks have been very understanding and supportive. The strains may be different but the resultant stresses are the same. It's nice to have their empathy.

biko

If you think losing your job at 25 is tough, try losing your job at 55.

shamrock2004

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Sounds like a bit of a myth to be honest. Plenty of the 'older' generation would have had a fairly rough time find and holding down a steady job in Ireland in the 80s and before.

Couldnt disagree more. At least people weren't saddled with banking debt for generations to come and had better prospects of owning a home and raising a family. People now are working much harder for so much less.

SEPT 23 1989

It's the 30~55 age bracket who got so badly fcuked during the recession they will never recover from it

topper75

shamrock2004 wrote: »

... At least people weren't saddled with banking debt for generations to come ...

They were taxed at up to 50 pence in every pound earned, because of 'living beyond our means' as a certain sly old fox once put it.

There's always something. Give unto Caesar and all that.