Deadtolls at terrorist attacks

GT_TDI_150

It maddens me when they include the perpetrators of attacks in the deadtoll when reporting on attacks like the ones in Belgium, Paris, Madrid, London ...

I believe the deadtoll at Zaventem stands at 16 ... I reckon it's 16 - 2 bombers ... so the number is 14.

I know the bombers are dead too but who gives a fook about them!

darkpagandeath

I dislike the entire ghoulish behaviour around stuff like this.

cson

Deadtoll... An honest misteak?

But yeah they probably should be discounted.

That being said, what's probably more maddening is the disparity in media coverage vs the Ankara bombings which had a greater death toll. I don't recall the Eiffel Tower being lit up in the Turkish colours?

stoplooklisten

What monuments in turkey were lit up?

eeguy

I dislike the vast media attention each of these attacks get.

I understand that it's shocking, but round the clock publicity and coverage is exactly what these terrorists want.
They want us to be fearful.

It's not like there's a huge loss of life or damage. Some will say it's the randomness of attacks, but car crashes are fairly random too and theres a greater chance of one of those than a bombing.

Victor

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

It maddens me when they include the perpetrators of attacks in the deadtoll when reporting on attacks like the ones in Belgium, Paris, Madrid, London ...

I believe the deadtoll at Zaventem stands at 16 ... I reckon it's 16 - 2 bombers ... so the number is 14.

I know the bombers are dead too but who gives a fook about them!

Your obsessiveness and racism is really showing today.

Quite often, 'suicide bombers' are actually proxy bombers (IRA innovation!) - the bomb was actually triggered by someone else. Among those carrying the bombs, there will be a mix, of the 'committed', the brainwashed, the blackmailed and the forced. In some places, teenagers as young as 14-15 have been used as bombers.

tomwaterford

Fairly sure some family somewhere is mourning the dead terrorists....no matter how reprehensible their actions

They were someone's son/brother etc??




As to wether their names should appear on memorials I'd say they shouldn't and could understand families objections to such

Augme

It's called a death toll because it provides the number of people who died. That's why the include the perpetrators. It's not rocket science.

cson

stoplooklisten wrote: »

What monuments in turkey were lit up?

That's a fair point albeit after the fact.

What I'm saying is its a bit Animal Farm; all men are equal but some are more equal than others. And that is 100% the case when it comes to atrocities v media coverage in western states.

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cson wrote: »

Deadtoll... An honest misteak?

But yeah they probably should be discounted.

That being said, what's probably more maddening is the disparity in media coverage vs the Ankara bombings which had a greater death toll. I don't recall the Eiffel Tower being lit up in the Turkish colours?

It's not a competition ffs

eeguy

cson wrote: »

That's a fair point albeit after the fact.

What I'm saying is its a bit Animal Farm; all men are equal but some are more equal than others. And that is 100% the case when it comes to atrocities v media coverage in western states.

Maybe we see more western media coverage because we live in the west?

I'm sure there's comparable atrocities happening in the further reaches of the world that we never hear of.

Sheeps

Facts don't give a fuck about whether or not you think terrorists should be included in the total number of dead or not. They're dead, just like the victims.

stoplooklisten

LexieOnRale wrote: »

It's not a competition ffs

It could be if you put your mind to it


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GT_TDI_150

why do people "care less" about bombs in ankara than those in brussels?

You would take more interest in your next door neighbour getting beaten up and murdered than you would some on on the complete opposite side of the city, county, country meeting the same fate ( unless of course they turn out to be your family).

Its proximity and human nature ... the closer to you it happens, the more you think it could happen to you.

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GT_TDI_150 wrote:

why do people "care less" about bombs in ankara than those in brussels?

GT_TDI_150 wrote:

You would take more interest in your next door neighbour getting beaten up and murdered than you would some on on the complete opposite side of the city, county, country meeting the same fate ( unless of course they turn out to be your family).

GT_TDI_150 wrote:

Its proximity and human nature ... the closer to you it happens, the more you think it could happen to you.

You may as well be talking to the wall. People that say this crap will never learn. They'll Google where else was bombed by terrorist struck and ask why we don't morn them. Boggles the mind.

stoplooklisten

Karina Shrilling Grimace wrote: »

You may as well be talking to the wall. People that say this crap will never learn. They'll Google where else was bombed by terrorist struck and ask why we don't morn them. Boggles the mind.

The really ironic thing is, that nobody stopped them starting a discussion on it at the time, and it just didn't seem important enough then for them to do!

bear1

They are included as they have also lost their life albeit through their own madness.
What I can't stand about these types of situations is where the media emphasizes the death which is visible.
On the BBC website they have a video of a taxi driver going through the airport after the bombs and a young child is clenching to what is presumably her dead mother.
Now, they do provide a warning on this beforehand but why do we need to put it out there for the world to see? It was the same as the Jan 2015 Paris attacks when they were showing that poor policeman being shot in the head.
I think there should be a restriction on the videos being published on news sites.

stoplooklisten

The media always do that. Remember how the little by on the beach tugged at our heartstrings? Why not show the true devastation? A lot of people don't realize there was children at the airport yesterday.


Warning video below may distress




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507492/A-blood-spattered-baby-girl-screams-dead-mother-Disturbing-footage-emerges-child-crying-amidst-wreckage-Brussels-airport-bombing.html#v-1778795318614770131

bear1

That's the video I was talking about in the above post.
Yeah the dead child was a very tough thing to look at and in a way it worked to show what some of these poor souls are going through. However, at the same time we are brandishing the anguish of a parents child strewn across a beach head down.
I think I'll never forget that image

speedboatchase

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

why do people "care less" about bombs in ankara than those in brussels?

You would take more interest in your next door neighbour getting beaten up and murdered than you would some on on the complete opposite side of the city, county, country meeting the same fate ( unless of course they turn out to be your family).

Its proximity and human nature ... the closer to you it happens, the more you think it could happen to you.

The people who brings this stuff up are tragedy hipsters. They don't care about either attack.

GT_TDI_150

I saw that video earlier this morning on CNN .. no need for that at all in the main stream media

JackHeuston

cson wrote: »

Deadtoll... An honest misteak?

But yeah they probably should be discounted.

That being said, what's probably more maddening is the disparity in media coverage vs the Ankara bombings which had a greater death toll. I don't recall the Eiffel Tower being lit up in the Turkish colours?

I hope I won't sound too offensive, but we're in Europe and it's definitely OK to cover European news better than worldwide news. I also find OK to worry about something happening in Europe than outside of it, as it might affect me personally sooner or later somehow.

If anyone's interested in worldwide news, it's not that they can't find it. The Internet is full of it. TV, yeah a bit less, but the space there is obviously limited and can't satisfy every single person.

Re national monuments, it's simple to imagine that the response to things happening in a country all depends from what ties that country has with the rest of the world. If something happens in the USA, all their allies and countries with strong connections with them will light up their monuments, put flags around, etc... If a country doesn't have too many allies or "friends" in the Western world... well there you go. I'm not trying to say anything, just laying out facts from my point of view.

Victor

bear1 wrote: »

They are included as they have also lost their life albeit through their own madness.
What I can't stand about these types of situations is where the media emphasizes the death which is visible.
On the BBC website they have a video of a taxi driver going through the airport after the bombs and a young child is clenching to what is presumably her dead mother.
Now, they do provide a warning on this beforehand but why do we need to put it out there for the world to see? It was the same as the Jan 2015 Paris attacks when they were showing that poor policeman being shot in the head.
I think there should be a restriction on the videos being published on news sites.

A few factors:
* "If it bleeds, it leads" is a well-known media maxim.
* One has to be careful to not sanitise the message.
* Unfortunately, some people get-off on stuff like this.