Prime Time on 1916 - RTE 1 Tonight (21:35)

Mr.Nice Guy

This programme comes live from the GPO and will discuss whether or not the Rising was justified.

lukin

Watching it now.Seems like they are having the debate in the GPO.Looks cold there,I hope they have the heating on.

Mr.Nice Guy

Has the feel of a hatchet job on the Rising to me.

I would like to see more mention made of the fact that unionists in the northeast of the island had been preparing to use violence in the event of Home Rule being implemented, and that partition was being suggested before the Rising took place. Many of those who took part 100 years ago had initially been willing to give Home Rule a chance before it started to get watered down. You can't overlook that aspect of the story, and yet it often is. I suppose I should wait and see if one of the historians touches on this.

Edit: Actually Michael McDowell just made my point above. First time he's impressed me.

ProudDUB

What entitles O'Cuiv to be there? Merely being being Dev's grandson? Grand so. :rolleyes:

Surely its time to bring in some fresh voices and not keep on having the same, tired, FF dinosaurs that we've been from for the past 100 years?

Mr.Nice Guy

I never thought much of Michael McDowell's politics but I like his take on history.

murpho999

Why does Kevin Myers get invited to these things as well. How is he considered an authority of Irish history?

Tenzor07

This is hard work to try and listen to, time to switch channels!

murpho999

Tenzor07 wrote: »

This is hard work to try and listen to, time to switch channels!

Host needs to take control, they are shouting across each other like rabble and are inaudible to the viewer.

Chrissybhoy

Trying to say the provisional IRA try to start a rebellion ??? When the Provos were born out of protecting their community

Ice Maiden

Good man Michael McDowell - did not think he would be the type to sock it to that dreadfully snooty Ruth Dudley Edwards.

Harry Angstrom

murpho999 wrote: »

Why does Kevin Myers get invited to these things as well. How is he considered an authority of Irish history?

He's the go-to-guy whenever anybody is looking for a contrarian.

ProudDUB

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Good man Michael McDowell - did not think he would be the type to sock it to that dreadfully snooty Ruth Dudley Edwards.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's the go-to-guy whenever anybody is looking for a contrarian.

+1

It says a lot, when the best 1916 documentary I have seen so far, was Brendan O'Carroll's one about his two uncles. More of that kind of stuff please & less of these cliche ridden talking heads, who have been spouting the same shyte for 50 years.

murpho999

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's the go-to-guy whenever anybody is looking for a contrarian.

Nothing but a troll to me. He would be banned on Boards.

murpho999

ProudDUB wrote: »

+1

It says a lot, when the best 1916 documentary I have seen so far, was Brendan O'Carroll's one about his two uncles. More of that kind of stuff please & less of these cliche ridden talking heads, who have been spouting the same shyte for 50 years.

You should watch Nationwide too, was good tonight, about the origins of the National Anthem and the flag.

Strazdas

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Has the feel of a hatchet job on the Rising to me.

I would like to see more mention made of the fact that unionists in the northeast of the island had been preparing to use violence in the event of Home Rule being implemented, and that partition was being suggested before the Rising took place. Many of those who took part 100 years ago had initially been willing to give Home Rule a chance before it started to get watered down. You can't overlook that aspect of the story, and yet it often is. I suppose I should wait and see if one of the historians touches on this.

Edit: Actually Michael McDowell just made my point above. First time he's impressed me.

I think by 1914, some sort of violent event on the island was completely inevitable given that you had two armed militias with wildly differing views about the future of Ireland (I think partition was inevitable at this point too).

Ice Maiden

ProudDUB wrote: »

+1

It says a lot, when the best 1916 documentary I have seen so far, was Brendan O'Carroll's one about his two uncles. More of that kind of stuff please & less of these cliche ridden talking heads, who have been spouting the same shyte for 50 years.

I know - it is amusing to see people say ad nauseum "We need a balanced view on the Rising" implying we only hear glorification of it. Actually no, the majority I hear about it is whingeing, and usually by the likes of unionist revisionist RDE.

Strazdas

Interesting to hear Michael McDowell trying to see it from both Eoin McNeill's view 'and' Patrick Pearse's one.....quite fair minded of him.

ProudDUB

murpho999 wrote: »

You should watch Nationwide too, was good tonight, about the origins of the National Anthem and the flag.

Yep. Watched it. Loved the bit with Ronnie Delaney giving his flag to the Curragh.

Ice Maiden wrote: »

I know - it is amusing to see people say ad nauseum "We need a balanced view on the Rising" implying we only hear glorification of it. Actually no, the majority I hear about it is whingeing, and usually by the likes of unionist revisionist RDE.

Oh, did you not get the memo on that? We have to give the likes of her (and that Kevin Myers eegit) equal time these days. I think it's something to do with showing that "we have matured as a nation," or some such bull$hit. :rolleyes:

Strazdas

Ice Maiden wrote: »

I know - it is amusing to see people say ad nauseum "We need a balanced view on the Rising" implying we only hear glorification of it. Actually no, the majority I hear about it is whingeing, and usually by the likes of unionist revisionist RDE.

Though in fairness, I don't think there is any 'set' view of the Rising in Ireland and nor has there ever been. It may have seemed we were all singing from the same hymn sheet in 1966 but that was just a brief moment in our history : 25 years later, the Rising was scarcely commemorated at all and men like Pearse were regarded as a footnote in history.

So it's difficult to say what is the accepted view and what is revisionism, there are still many opinions on the subject.

Shurimgreat

I think Pearse is coming off well from the centenary commemorations. There is no doubt he had a vision, if you agreed with it or not and in many respects was a brilliant man; writer, orator, poet, teacher, rebel leader, gaeilgoir and so forth. He was able to bring together numerous strands of Irish society and lead from the front, not giving orders from behind. I can see now how he inspired others and still does today.

The usual contrarians such as Myers, O'Toole, Dunphy, seem to have not been given much airtime on the subject of the Rising, although I wouldn't mind hearing their views as well, when everything quietens down a bit.