Steel frame shed planning info

Mac Bluecheese

Just looking for some info..

I have just bought a 30 ft x 80ft steel frame shed that will be bolted down on concrete. The shed is cladding all round and 14 ft high to the eves. It is approx 3 years old and it has just been dismantled and I will have it here this weekend. I am about to apply for planning permission and am not fully sure of the ins & outs. I know I need to put an advert in the local paper and put up a sign out front 2 weeks before applying for the planning permission. It will be going on a 1 acre field at the back of my house. Will I need to get drawings drawn up and an engineers report? The guy I bought it from never had planning for it and is building a bigger shed now without planning also.

If anyone has gone through the process of planning permission for a steel structure shed, I'd be grateful for any info regarding what needs to be submitted to the planning authorities and a rough guideline of the costs involved.

Thanks

BryanF

Planning is required
A local arch / eng will organise the planning submission

Mod note: c&p forum will not be discussing illegal planning practices

Metric Tensor

Hi,

Yes you need planning permission. For the simple structure you're talking about it's not particularly difficult to apply for but you will still need all the relevant documentation in order including the newspaper and site notice. You will also have to submit plans, elevations, levels, etc and an application form.

There's almost certainly a local planning professional in your area who will do this at a reasonable cost. An architectural technician, engineer or architect would all do the job for you and prepare all the relevant documentation as part of their service.

Be warned that the council can say no. Typical reasons for saying no in this type of situation are: if you plan to or they suspect you plan to undertake commercial activity in the shed, if it is an eyesore or not in keeping with the area or if it's too close to someone else's dwelling.

Your professional will need a few weeks to prepare the application and the assuming all goes swimmingly it will take 12 weeks to get permission and another few weeks before you can commence construction.

The planner will inspect the site. It might not look too well if he/she sees the shed already there in parts. Do you have anywhere else to store it?

Mac Bluecheese

Thanks for the reply. I don't have anywhere else to store it. I could possibly put it in the far corner of the field and cover it, maybe that might look a bit better for when the planner comes to inspect?

Will it definitely take over 12 weeks or is that worst case scenario?

I can't see any issues why it wouldn't be granted as it's fairly private and wouldn't be intruding on anybody.

Gumbo

Mac Bluecheese wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. I don't have anywhere else to store it. I could possibly put it in the far corner of the field and cover it, maybe that might look a bit better for when the planner comes to inspect?

Will it definitely take over 12 weeks or is that worst case scenario?

I can't see any issues why it wouldn't be granted as it's fairly private and wouldn't be intruding on anybody.

Let's imagine the architect/technician/<insert engaged professional here> surveys the site today.
It takes a week or two to prepare the plans, arrange newspaper notices, get OS maps and ensure the plans are correct and true.
Then he lodged for planning.

After 8 weeks you get your decision.
4 week appeal period.
Then and only then can you lodge your commencement notice giving 2 weeks notice to building control.

I'd say more like 14 weeks to be honest.

Metric Tensor

And you are very unlikely to lodge your commencement notice on the exact day of receipt if your grant so take it as follows:

Eng/Arch preps application: 3 weeks
Application period: 8 weeks
Appeal period: 4 weeks
A week for miscellaneous: 1 week
Commencement notice period: 2 weeks
TOTAL: 18 weeks

Of the above figures the only ones you can hope to reduce are the 3 weeks of prep at the start and the 1 week of float so absolute minimum in my opinion is 15.5 weeks and I'll put 20 quid on it being 17+ if you start tomorrow.

Mac Bluecheese

Thanks for the info and you can hold onto that 20 quid! I started today with the newspaper advert and site notice anyway. I am meeting with an architect tomorrow and hopefully he will be able to deal with everything else to do with the application. Do you have any idea of roughly how much it should end up costing for the architect and all associated fees for the planning?

Gumbo

Mac Bluecheese wrote: »

Thanks for the info and you can hold onto that 20 quid! I started today with the newspaper advert and site notice anyway. I am meeting with an architect tomorrow and hopefully he will be able to deal with everything else to do with the application. Do you have any idea of roughly how much it should end up costing for the architect and all associated fees for the planning?

If you done then today, whoever you engage only has two weeks to prepare everything and get it lodged. And what if the wording doesn't match exactly what is drawn etc

The newspaper notice and site notice are usually the last things you do !

chippers

Mac Bluecheese wrote: »

Thanks for the info and you can hold onto that 20 quid! I started today with the newspaper advert and site notice anyway. I am meeting with an architect tomorrow and hopefully he will be able to deal with everything else to do with the application. Do you have any idea of roughly how much it should end up costing for the architect and all associated fees for the planning?

You should have your agent look after the public notices. Getting the wording right is tricky and can lead to an invalidation if not done correctly.

Mac Bluecheese

Will do. The newspaper advert hasn't gone to print yet so I will cancel that in the morning. Thanks for the heads up!

Metric Tensor

I echo what everyone else says - get the architect to write the notice for the paper.

The wording can be extremely important. No point wasting money on an ad and having to put another one in next week.

As kceire says the ad from the paper can only be a maximum of two weeks from the date of lodging the application. Particularly with the Easter break coming I doubt you'll find many architects willing to do the full job in two weeks for you! I know I'd be telling you where to go!

Gumbo

Metric Tensor wrote: »

I echo what everyone else says - get the architect to write the notice for the paper.

The wording can be extremely important. No point wasting money on an ad and having to put another one in next week.

As kceire says the ad from the paper can only be a maximum of two weeks from the date of lodging the application. Particularly with the Easter break coming I doubt you'll find many architects willing to do the full job in two weeks for you! I know I'd be telling you where to go!

+1

Finding the time to drop everything else to get or surveyed, drawn, pieced together and lodged within 2 weeks in too tight in my opinion also.

Gerryww

BryanF wrote: »

Planning is required
A local arch / eng will organise the planning submission

Mod note: c&p forum will not be discussing illegal planning practices

Planning may not be required if the shed is to be used for agricultural purposes providing it meets the criteria set down for exempted agricultural buildings.

It is best to speak a local architect/engineer who will advise you.

Mac Bluecheese

Thanks. I will look into that as I will be using the shed as stables for horses.