The New Garda Drink Driving Advert on RTE

Andy From Sligo

What do you think of the latest (well I think its latest, only just seen it meself today) Garda Drink drive campaign TV Advert - I suppose its done deliberately not in a professional 'polished' way with real actors but I suppose they wanted to make it look and feel realistic of what it would be like if you got caught.

https://youtu.be/Ws-iNxoHsRc

Lisha

I think it's good and that it really hits home huw much it will affect your life if you drink n drive

Sonics2k

At this point I'm of the opinion that anyone who drinks and drives and ends up killing themselves deserves it and have no sympathy at all.

If you drink and drive and kill someone, you can rot in a 4x4 jail cell for the rest of your life.

There is literally no excuse for it.

Andy From Sligo

how comes when I put a youtube video in the youtube video tags does it never work on boards.ie ... does anyone know? - it always just says 'an error has occurred , please try later' and never plays

Buona Fortuna

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

how comes when I put a youtube video in the youtube video tags does it never work on boards.ie ... does anyone know? - it always just says 'an error has occurred , please try later' and never plays

Yep me too.

Dev was talking about something similar on the Helpdesk, might have been feedback was genna get the techies to look at it

Edit: On mine the playback is disallowed by the video owner - so yeah its you Andy

Cienciano

I thought it was great. More realistic than the usual ****e or barrel rolling a car over a wall into a kids party or whatever crap they used to have.

Funny though, Red Rock (that woeful gardai soap on TV3) was on, neither me or the wife was watching, it was just on in the background. But during an ad break, that drink driving ad came on. We thought it was Red Rock starting back on and a main character was caught drink driving, but we were both looked up and started watching and were both saying how the acting and production had improved and it actually seemed much better than before. Then the ad ended , garda logo came on so we knew it was an ad, and Red Rock came back on and it was basically Fair City with gardai uniforms with bad actors and bad dialogue and it all made sense.

TLDR, TV3 need to hire the "actors" and guys who made the ad to make Red Rock

Andy From Sligo

I love the way you are arrested, bunged in a jail, then released so you can be on your merry way to go to a pub and get bladdered again (and maybe get back in a car and kill someone next time) or try to abscond the country or not turn up for court case - (my comment sarcastic by the way) - they should arrest the drink drivers and keep the offending drink driver locked up in custody until the court date! (harsh aint I?) - theres enough warnings about drink driving these days and if people choose to ignore or play russian roulette to whether they get caught or not if they are caught they should expect hard times and their liberty to be in jeopardy, it might may more people think even more about doing it

Andy From Sligo

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Yep me too.

Dev was talking about something similar on the Helpdesk, might have been feedback was genna get the techies to look at it

Edit: On mine the playback is disallowed by the video owner - so yeah its you Andy

ah right do you know what it might be, i think I turned off / unticked 'allow embedding' ... that might be it

Buona Fortuna

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah right do you know what it might be, i think I turned off / unticked 'allow embedding' ... that might be it

I'm not very technical , ever since computers started to bore me stupid around the mid 90s.

daRobot

In this particular fictious example, the driver has a 63mg and 64mg reading, so he gets a 200 euro fine and three penalty points.

In the UK with those amounts, you're good to go.

Junkyard Tom

I saw it over in my Sister's place and I was so upset I had to have a few beers to steady myself for the drive home.

Andy From Sligo

Cienciano wrote: »

I thought it was great. More realistic than the usual ****e or barrel rolling a car over a wall into a kids party or whatever crap they used to have.

Funny though, Red Rock (that woeful gardai soap on TV3) was on, neither me or the wife was watching, it was just on in the background. But during an ad break, that drink driving ad came on. We thought it was Red Rock starting back on and a main character was caught drink driving, but we were both looked up and started watching and were both saying how the acting and production had improved and it actually seemed much better than before. Then the ad ended , garda logo came on so we knew it was an ad, and Red Rock came back on and it was basically Fair City with gardai uniforms with bad actors and bad dialogue and it all made sense.

TLDR, TV3 need to hire the "actors" and guys who made the ad to make Red Rock

haha that was so funny - could just imagine it. Luv the part about fair city in Garda uniform

Rothmans

daRobot wrote: »

In this particular fictious example, the driver has a 63mg and 64mg reading, so he gets a 200 euro fine and three penalty points.

In the UK with those amounts, you're good to go.

Nope. Limit is 23 micrograms, so he was well over. He'd have been well over in the UK too. I think the limit is 35 micrograms in the UK. It's in or around that anyway.

Archeron

The guard says to him you are being charged on this date at navan road station, but at the end of the ad he walks out of Pearse St. It's a good ad though.

Rothmans

Archeron wrote: »

The guard says to him you are being charged on this date at navan road station, but at the end of the ad he walks out of Pearse St. It's a good ad though.

Store Street Garda station. The offence was apparently committed on the Navan Rd, although it looked a lot more like Amiens St

Buona Fortuna

Archeron wrote: »

The guard says to him you are being charged on this date at navan road station, but at the end of the ad he walks out of Pearse St. It's a good ad though.

The guard had probably been drinking too.

MadDog76

daRobot wrote: »

In this particular fictious example, the driver has a 63mg and 64mg reading, so he gets a 200 euro fine and three penalty points.

In the UK with those amounts, you're good to go.

Rothmans wrote: »

Nope. Limit is 23 micrograms, so he was well over. He'd have been well over in the UK too. I think the limit is 35 micrograms in the UK. It's in or around that anyway.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Campaigns/Current-road-safety-campaigns/Drink-Driving/Drink-Driving-Limits-and-Recommendations-/

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/alcohol-and-the-law/drink-driving

Buona Fortuna

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

The guard had probably been drinking too.

Friend of mine swears he was in a car in the Quays in Dublin in the 80s that slammed into a squad car. Garda jumped out and said to the driver of my friends car "you've been drinking". At which point the driver said "you've been drinking too...and I won't lose my job". Whereupon the a Garda got back into his car and drove off and no more was said.

daRobot

Rothmans wrote: »

Nope. Limit is 23 micrograms, so he was well over. He'd have been well over in the UK too. I think the limit is 35 micrograms in the UK. It's in or around that anyway.

See the post with links above and you'll see I'm correct with my figures.

Andy From Sligo

sussed it, when i copied the share link it said youtube.com/watch - when I pasted into Boards.ie it changed it to you.tube

hidinginthebush

Archeron wrote: »

The guard says to him you are being charged on this date at navan road station, but at the end of the ad he walks out of Pearse St. It's a good ad though.

Why would a man who's shirt says "Genius at work" spend all his day watching drink driving ads on telly?

Andy From Sligo

Deleted User wrote: »

Friend of mine swears he was in a car in the Quays in Dublin in the 80s that slammed into a squad car. Garda jumped out and said to the driver of my friends car "you've been drinking". At which point the driver said "you've been drinking too...and I won't lose my job". Whereupon the a Garda got back into his car and drove off and no more was said.

I have no doubt in believing it! ... especially in the 80's/90's

worded

I think a good punch line would be ....

Remember kids, to drink and drive,







you need a car

Samaris

I'm not watching that, I still get traumatic flashbacks to the ones from the '90s. Those things needed a watershed.

MadDog76

Samaris wrote: »

I'm not watching that, I still get traumatic flashbacks to the ones from the '90s. Those things needed a watershed.

This new one is more realistic, no gore or over-the-top dramatics at all.

Fr_Dougal

Have to admit, when I see the drink-drive ads with real people who were in an accident whilst they themselves were drink-driving and are in wheelchairs etc.; I feel no pity for them.

Andy From Sligo

I still quite like this drink drive advert from UK a few years back - great acting:

Andy From Sligo

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Have to admit, when I see the drink-drive ads with real people who were in an accident whilst they themselves were drink-driving and are in wheelchairs etc.; I feel no pity for them.

Theres one with a young lad in a wheelchair and he says "now ironically I sound drunk all the time!" .....

Rothmans

daRobot wrote: »

See the post with links above and you'll see I'm correct with my figures.

I think you'll find you're not! From the link

What are the existing legal limits?

The legal limits for fully licenced drivers in Category B are:

50 milligrammes (mg) of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood (0.05)
67 milligrammes (mg) of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine or
22 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath

And the UK link

What's the law on drink driving in England and Wales?In England and Wales, the alcohol limit for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 35 microgrammes per 100 millilitres of breath or 107 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine.

onform

Hope the Guard gave him an Irish language printout of the intoxylser result,or else he's off the hook...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/drinkdrive-cases-adjourned-after-irishlanguage-legal-claim-31106384.html

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I have no doubt in believing it! ... especially in the 80's/90's

Hence I never get too judgemental about the offence.

I did it, most of my friends did it. Sure none if us would do it now, but back in the 80s and early 90s in rural Ireland...it was just done wholesale. In those days you could be stopped, as I was, and had the local Garda roll his eyes and say go home and cop on. You pretty much had to be caught a few times before they'd bag you. Now there has been a whole culture change about the offence.

Andy From Sligo

onform wrote: »

Hope the Guard gave him an Irish language printout of the intoxylser result,or else he's off the hook...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/drinkdrive-cases-adjourned-after-irishlanguage-legal-claim-31106384.html

I love the very 'technical' breathalyser the gard uses, does it really just have the word 'FAIL' on the LCD screen when you er .... fail? - dont it show anything like figure mg of alcohol in the blood or anything techie like that?

Dempsey

Its a good ad, no sensationalist tripe or scenarios but the sobering process of only being able to use public transport in ireland. The ultimate punisment in irish society

daRobot

Rothmans wrote: »

I think you'll find you're not! From the link

And the UK link

Have you used a breathalyzer machine before?

I've a Garda issued Draeger 6510 (the exact one shown in the advert), and readings over 50mg are a fail here.

That's what they're quoting in the advert (63mg and 64mg), or do you actually believe he's supposed to be over three times in the limit?

You're mistaking that the machines read in microgrammes, when they actually read in milligrammes.

Hope that clears that up for you.

Rothmans

daRobot wrote: »

Have you used a breathalyzer machine before?

I've a Garda issued Draeger 6510 (the exact one shown in the advert), and readings over 50mg are a fail here.

That's what they're quoting in the advert (63mg and 64mg), or do you actually believe he's supposed to be over three times in the limit?

You're mistaking that the machines read in microgrammes, when they actually read in milligrammes.

Hope that clears that up for you.

No. Readings over 22 microgrammes are a fail. Not 50 mg. You appear to be getting mixed up between the limit for bloods and breath. And the readings that are quoted, the 61 and 64 come from the Evidenzer, not the Drager, which are designed to measure the concentration of alcohol on the breath, with the limit being 22 microgrammes /100 ml of breath. This machine measures the concentration of breath in microgrammes, not milligrammes. The 50mg limit does not apply, as this machine obviously cannot measure the concentration of alcohol in his blood.

Hope that clears that up for you.

EDIT: And if you don't believe me, here are a few articles which state that the measurement is taken in microgrammes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/breath-test-results-must-be-in-both-english-and-irish-judge-rules-1.2360106

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/humaninterest/driving-after-a-few-drinks-men-versus-women-226368.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/the-official-languages-act-will-only-serve-to-kill-the-language-itself-355571.html

Sir Osis of Liver.

Why didn't he feign a heart attack?

Ad actually sent shivers down my spine.

Looking at yer man driving at the start and realising that that was me about 2 years ago. I'd say i was actually at it more than yer man in the ad.

And trust me when I tell you, although I've changed my tune since then, I was awake at night almost in tears over it back then. Heed my advice: Never, ever, drive a 407. Sure, they're good looking and comfortable. But they're horrible bastards when they go wrong. No wonder the Garda pulled him.

Andy From Sligo

Dempsey wrote: »

Its a good ad, no sensationalist tripe or scenarios but the sobering process of only being able to use public transport in ireland. The ultimate punisment in irish society

I live in Rural ireland - tranquil it is .... but if I had to endure a life of Public Transport I would seriously think of jacking it all in and moving up to dublin or somewhere , the Busses (frequency) and trains (frequency) are sh!te here, in fact I dunno how people use public transport at all

Sir Osis of Liver.

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Why didn't he feign a heart attack?

He does have one obvious defence, the Garda administering the test wasn't wearing his hat. It is an absolute defence, I read it in the second example in this legal treatise...

http://viz.co.uk/man-pub/

daRobot

Rothmans wrote: »

No. Readings over 22 microgrammes are a fail. Not 50 mg. You appear to be getting mixed up between the limit for bloods and breath. And the readings that are quoted, the 61 and 64 come from the Evidenzer, not the Drager, which are designed to measure the concentration of alcohol on the breath, with the limit being 22 microgrammes /100 ml of breath. This machine measures the concentration of breath in microgrammes, not milligrammes. The 50mg limit does not apply, as this machine obviously cannot measure the concentration of alcohol in his blood.

Hope that clears that up for you.

EDIT: And if you don't believe me, here are a few articles which state that the measurement is taken in microgrammes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/breath-test-results-must-be-in-both-english-and-irish-judge-rules-1.2360106

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/humaninterest/driving-after-a-few-drinks-men-versus-women-226368.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/the-official-languages-act-will-only-serve-to-kill-the-language-itself-355571.html

Fair enough, you're absolutely correct on that. I was working on the assumption that both machines measure the same way, when it ain't so.

Thanks for clearing it up

But all the same, the actor doesn't appear to be someone over three times the limit. I've been on some seriously heavy nights, and it takes a good lot to even be over by a little on the machine. Then again, that's reading at 2pm onwards, not 8.30am!

dreamers75

Sad story chap I used to work with moved to somewhere in Portlaise shiny new gaff on the outskirts in some ghost town (lovely house in fairness). He was a contracted van driver as in bought a route from a courier and serviced it for about 100k a year. Went to a football match in Dublin one friday evening and drove home after a few pints, busted and got whatever penalty points licence thing that happens. Killed himself the morning after the conviction.

dreamers75

dreamers75 wrote: »

Sad story chap I used to work with moved to somewhere in Portlaise shiny new gaff on the outskirts in some ghost town (lovely house in fairness). He was a contracted van driver as in bought a route from a courier and serviced it for about 100k a year. Went to a football match in Dublin one friday evening and drove home after a few pints, busted and got whatever penalty points licence thing that happens. Killed himself the morning after the conviction.

Jesus. Christ.

God love him. Hope he didn't leave family, that would be a serious loss of perspective. We all screw up.

Rothmans

daRobot wrote: »

Fair enough, you're absolutely correct on that. I was working on the assumption that both machines measure the same way, when it ain't so.

Thanks for clearing it up

But all the same, the actor doesn't appear to be someone over three times the limit. I've been on some seriously heavy nights, and it takes a good lot to even be over by a little on the machine. Then again, that's reading at 2pm onwards, not 8.30am!

I understand what you're saying alright, and it does seem high. He must have been on an absolute bender the night before I never drink the night before if I'm working in the morning myself, because I'd be terrified of being over the limit! I also heard that your body processes alcohol slower when your sleeping also. How much truth there is t that I don't know, but it's something I always bear in mind aswell!

dreamers75

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus. Christ.

God love him. Hope he didn't leave family, that would be a serious loss of perspective. We all screw up.

He left a wife and 2 small kids, from his point of view he had ended the main source of income via his own stupidity. In his opinion it was the only option.

Afaik they moved back to her parents and sold the house.

Andy From Sligo

so how can you drink the night before but be sure your ok to drive next day? what about drinking a couple of pints of water before going to bed or isnt there anything on the market that can neutralize it before morning whilst you sleep? - as u can most probably guess i am not a big drinker

maudgonner

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

so how can you drink the night before but be sure your ok to drive next day? what about drinking a couple of pints of water before going to bed or isnt there anything on the market that can neutralize it before morning whilst you sleep? - as u can most probably guess i am not a big drinker

Drinking water will help keep a hangover at bay, but won't make your liver process alcohol any quicker. It processes on average one unit of alcohol per hour - any remedies that claim to speed that up will probably just be old wives tales.

dreamers75

dreamers75 wrote: »

He left a wife and 2 small kids, from his point of view he had ended the main source of income via his own stupidity. In his opinion it was the only option.

Afaik they moved back to her parents and sold the house.

God love him. And them. That's one desperate story. I'd have less sympathy if you said he was bagged after an accident, but again I was part of the generation that all had a few pints and sat into a car. Have even had drink and drugs and chanced it back in the day when you just had to wait till the Gardai went off duty at 4am and then anything was possible. In my case would drive home at about 10mph. Wouldn't dream of it now, the foolishness of youth, have a kid so that bit more responsible etc. etc.

Simon2015

What happens if you don't blow into the breathalyzer ?

Due to a lung condition that I have I could legitimately claim that I would not be able to blow into a breathalyzer if I was stopped by the gardai.

maudgonner

Simon2015 wrote: »

What happens if you don't blow into the breathalyzer ?

Due to a lung condition that I have I could legitimately claim that I would not be able to blow into a breathalyzer if I was stopped by the gardai.

AFAIK if you refuse to give a breath sample they can take you to the station and make you give a urine or blood sample. If you refuse that you can be prosecuted for it.

Simon2015

Simon2015 wrote: »

What happens if you don't blow into the breathalyzer ?

Due to a lung condition that I have I could legitimately claim that I would not be able to blow into a breathalyzer if I was stopped by the gardai.

You are expected to inform the Gardai and give them the option of performing other roadside tests, or else in the station they can take a urine same or call a doctor to take a blood sample.

If you don't inform them of a medical reason, expect it to be discounted in any subsequent hearing. The onus is on the driver to tell the Gardai of any reason why a sample can't be provided, and think that is the same for either roadside sobriety tests or formal tests in the station.

hatrickpatrick

Anyone know what street they're on at 0:07?