Im going on strike if i dont get my way

Specialun

Another strike announced now from teachers...what is with this country and striking..is it siptu that has started this culture



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/secondary-teachers-planning-wave-of-oneday-strikes-in-opposition-to-junior-cert-reform-34546238.html

RedXIV

Specialun wrote: »

Another strike announced now from teachers...what is with this country and striking..is it siptu that has started this culture



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/secondary-teachers-planning-wave-of-oneday-strikes-in-opposition-to-junior-cert-reform-34546238.html

I'd love to know the rational behind this, FINALLY teaching valuable IT skills and the teachers say no??

The_Valeyard

RedXIV wrote: »

I'd love to know the rational behind this, FINALLY teaching valuable IT skills and the teachers say no??

Think it more the complete dumbing down of the entire education system to inflate grades and make the education system look good on paper.

SEPT 23 1989

Are they still getting rid of History as a compulsory subject

I thought that was a disgraceful decision

Nodin

Specialun wrote: »

Another strike announced now from teachers...what is with this country and striking..is it siptu that has started this culture



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/secondary-teachers-planning-wave-of-oneday-strikes-in-opposition-to-junior-cert-reform-34546238.html

We've had few strikes for the last few decades.....

mirrorwall14

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

https://www.examinations.ie/misc-doc/BI-EX-10094598.pdf

kneemos

Why are the teachers dictating policies and not doing what they're employer decides?

Nodin

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

https://www.examinations.ie/misc-doc/BI-EX-10094598.pdf

Hard to judge given I'm a 46 year old bollocks. Certainly seems rather easy to me but then again, I'm old....old and grey....

mynameis905

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

https://www.examinations.ie/misc-doc/BI-EX-10094598.pdf

If that's how easy the higher level paper is, the ordinary/foundation one must come with a few crayons and instructions to draw a picture of a tree.

recylingbin

RedXIV wrote: »

I'd love to know the rational behind this, FINALLY teaching valuable IT skills and the teachers say no??

Rationale

Nodin

mynameis905 wrote: »

If that's how easy the higher level paper is, the ordinary/foundation one must come with a few crayons and instructions to draw a picture of a tree.

So its not just me then.

Is this what they're objecting to, or is this what is being replaced?

The_Valeyard

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Are they still getting rid of History as a compulsory subject

I thought that was a disgraceful decision

Schools that continue with history will be forced with a common level paper, no HL or OL, so course will be made a lot easier so everyone can pass. Lot if subjects going that route


No idea how those students would then be expected to cope in a third level environment?

Nodin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Schools that continue with history will be forced with a common level paper, no HL or OL, so course will be made a lot easier so everyone can pass. Lot if subjects going that route


No idea how those students would then be expected to cope in a third level environment?

• the lack of ordinary and higher level options for most subjects
• the lack of examination conditions for the Assessment Task process
• the absence of State certified oral exams in Irish and other modern European languages

The two I've bolded certainly seem bizarre. How do you seperate who can do higher level in subjects for the leaving?

languagenerd

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

https://www.examinations.ie/misc-doc/BI-EX-10094598.pdf

Holy crap, is that real?! When I was doing mine in 2006, people said it was dumbed-down...but it was far, far harder than that!

gctest50

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Schools that continue with history will be forced with a common level paper, no HL or OL, so course will be made a lot easier so everyone can pass. Lot if subjects going that route


No idea how those students would then be expected to cope in a third level environment?

Won't have to, straight into the robot control with them and the dog

Students new job : feed dog

Dogs job : bite student if they dare go near der blinkenlights

Eugene Norman

mynameis905 wrote: »

If that's how easy the higher level paper is, the ordinary/foundation one must come with a few crayons and instructions to draw a picture of a tree.

Well they are reading this Shakespeare passage for the first time. It's not rehearsed and not rote. Which was the problem with the essays and learned poems etc in previous systems.

DEFTLEFTHAND

languagenerd wrote: »

Holy crap, is that real?! When I was doing mine in 2006, people said it was dumbed-down...but it was far, far harder than that!

I did mine in 2007 and I remember looking back at the 1995,96,97 papers and thinking jesus these are much more difficult.

It looks like there has been a gradual dumbing down of the education system over the past 20 years or so.

Hotei

languagenerd wrote: »

Holy crap, is that real?! When I was doing mine in 2006, people said it was dumbed-down...but it was far, far harder than that!

I've just realised I'm old!

languagenerd

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Well they are reading this Shakespeare passage for the first time. It's not rehearsed and not rote. Which was the problem with the essays and learned poems etc in previous systems.

Yeah, but it's multiple choice - they're given the answers for most of it! Up until now, the exam papers had a choice of an unseen Shakespearean passage or an unseen contemporary passage with three or four essay-style questions where you to analyse characters or quotes.

That beginnings and endings question is weird though. Very hit and miss, but it probably does require good textual analysis to support their answer...

Eugene Norman

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I did mine in 2007 and I remember looking back at the 1995,96,97 papers and thinking jesus these are much more difficult.

It looks like there has been a gradual dumbing down of the education system over the past 20 years or so.

I did mine before the dumbing down (in the early 90's) and I'm not so sure. Lots of questions looked tough but were the kind of thing you could prepare for, as a certain type of essay, question about antonios anti-semitism.

Can't see how they could prepare for this Shakespeare passage unless there's a small sample of likely Shakespeare to turn up (in which case it is dumbed down).

esforum

kneemos wrote: »

Why are the teachers dictating policies and not doing what they're employer decides?

Maybe because they actually give a **** about our kids and their future prospects?

Teachers are protesting over the system being used to deliver education to our kids and people are still attacking them as being some sort of lazy useless shower but when they deliver a substandard lacklustre education they are still attacked only instead of being lazy they are incompetent. No winning!

Ave Sodalis

mirrorwall14 wrote:

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

Aren't sample papers usually easy though? I cant remember for Junior Cert but for my Leaving, we were told to not bother with the sample papers, bar any good enough question the teacher picked. We just focused on past papers

Eugene Norman

Is there any poetry on the syllabus. I have no problem with that comprehension test. Understanding 400 year old complex text is not necessarily easy under exam conditions, but English should be about learning the writings and poetry of the past.

languagenerd

To go back on topic, I'm not against the teachers striking if it's because of the JC reforms. Teachers keep telling the powers that be that it's unworkable. It's supposed to be brought in this year and a lot of teachers haven't been trained yet to cover the syllabus. In some subjects, I don't think the new syllabi are even fully available yet! Not to mention the dumbing down, the lack of proper assessment guidelines, the fact that some schools don't even have funding for a lot of it, and the complete lack of continuity with the LC and third level.

And yet those in charge are ploughing ahead relentlessly and it's the pupils that will be guinea pigs who'll suffer.

Squall Leonhart

mirrorwall14 wrote:

Before you complain I suggest reading this sample higher level English paper and see if you agree with the standard it sets

Wow. Genuinely surprised at the standard of higher level English. I had to scroll back up and check it was actually HL I was looking at. Multiple choice?? Matching characters to their description? Oh dear.

Kiwi in IE

Specialun wrote: »

Another strike announced now from teachers...what is with this country and striking..is it siptu that has started this culture



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/secondary-teachers-planning-wave-of-oneday-strikes-in-opposition-to-junior-cert-reform-34546238.html

I'm a nurse if the working conditions, pay inequality, holiday entitlements etc that are put up with here, were introduced in NZ, there wouldn't be a hospital or care home open in the country!

Eugene Norman

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

Wow. Genuinely surprised at the standard of higher level English. I had to scroll back up and check it was actually HL I was looking at. Multiple choice?? Matching characters to their description? Oh dear.

That's the first 5 pointer.

The next question involves understanding a Shakespeare passage not seen before.

Seth Brundle

Specialun wrote: »

Another strike announced now from teachers...what is with this country and striking..is it siptu that has started this culture



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/secondary-teachers-planning-wave-of-oneday-strikes-in-opposition-to-junior-cert-reform-34546238.html

Correct me if I'm wrong but the SIPTU Luis strike was over money.
The teachers aren't looking for more money. They're considering protesting over an education system that they say has been proven to have failed in the UK

kneemos wrote: »

Why are the teachers dictating policies and not doing what they're employer decides?

Not all teachers are employed by the Dept of Education, e.g. VECs

kupus

kneemos wrote: »

Why are the teachers dictating policies and not doing what they're employer decides?

Whats the bets "we're doing it for the children" line will be applied. Yeah, and cops are eating corn flakes for dinner. and luass drivers are not paid for 4 days and more and more and more....blah, make me an Island im yours.:mad:

Eugene Norman

kupus wrote: »

Whats the bets "we're doing it for the children" line will be applied. Yeah, and cops are eating corn flakes for dinner. and luass drivers are not paid for 4 days and more and more and more....blah, make me an Island im yours.:mad:

Well they are not looking for a raise so maybe they are in fact doing it for the children.

The_Valeyard

kbannon wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but the SIPTU Luis strike was over money.
The teachers aren't looking for more money. They're considering protesting over an education system that they say has been proven to have failed in the UK



Not all teachers are employed by the Dept of Education, e.g. VECs

But are they still paid by the dept of Ed.?

Seth Brundle

The_Valeyard wrote: »

But are they still paid by the dept of Ed.?

Nope. Local Authority!

The_Valeyard

kbannon wrote: »

Nope. Local Authority!

Interesting.

TheQuietFella

kneemos wrote: »

Why are the teachers dictating policies and not doing what they're employer decides?

Maybe if you knew now to use the word 'their' it might validate your argument

but this is a democracy, at least I thought so but these in my view are people

who are at the coalface who have to deal with a lot more than we think!

And no, I'm not in that profession.

ballsymchugh

languagenerd wrote: »

Holy crap, is that real?! When I was doing mine in 2006, people said it was dumbed-down...but it was far, far harder than that!

armstrong and miller are taking the piss out of dumbing down exams on one of their timeghost podcasts. their music question was "here's a piece of music. does it make you want to get down?"