Wilder Vs Povetkin

nacho libre

So Wilder has agreed to travel to Russia to fight Povetkin.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

So Wilder has agreed to travel to Russia to fight Povetkin.

Super match up, and credit that we have elites fighting elites!

Wilder isn't given enough credit. People keep thinking that he is due to be exposed. Povetkin may be the man, but in no way would I be surprised if Wilder does a number on him via points or KO.

Johner

Would have looked terrible if he ducked Povetkin, at last he is fighting some one of note.

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

Super match up, and credit that we have elites fighting elites!

Wilder isn't given enough credit. People keep thinking that he is due to be exposed. Povetkin may be the man, but in no way would I be surprised if Wilder does a number on him via points or KO.

Well Wilder is capable of knocking out anyone, still i think Povetkin will win this on points.

badabing106

walshb wrote: »

Super match up, and credit that we have elites fighting elites!

Wilder isn't given enough credit. People keep thinking that he is due to be exposed. Povetkin may be the man, but in no way would I be surprised if Wilder does a number on him via points or KO.

No credit should be given. Not blaming the boxer but the organisation here. A champ should be fighting the number one contender every time like in the UFC

It will prob be over 3 years before there is a unified champ at this rate. Who wants to see WBC Champs fighting rank outsiders again and again

FTA69

walshb wrote: »

Super match up, and credit that we have elites fighting elites!

Wilder isn't given enough credit. People keep thinking that he is due to be exposed. Povetkin may be the man, but in no way would I be surprised if Wilder does a number on him via points or KO.

True, I think Wilder is shaping up to be the real deal.

Case in point, there's a lad in the World Series called Joe Joyce who is huge, robotic and looks like a lad at it six months. He also knocked out one of the best super heavies in the USA in around thirty seconds.

Wilder, despite not looking polished, would be a test for any heavy out there nowadays in my opinion.

megadodge

FTA69 wrote: »

True, I think Wilder is shaping up to be the real deal.

Case in point, there's a lad in the World Series called Joe Joyce who is huge, robotic and looks like a lad at it six months. He also knocked out one of the best super heavies in the USA in around thirty seconds.

Wilder, despite not looking polished, would be a test for any heavy out there nowadays in my opinion.

IMO Joe Joyce looks a lot more polished than Wilder.

walshb

Polished or not Wilder is a big lad who can hit very hard. He knows the basics of boxing. Can box when he has to, and he can KO when he has to, and with one shot. If you can't KO him you may be in a for a very scary time over 12 rds.

dinorebel

walshb wrote: »

Polished or not Wilder is a big lad who can hit very hard. He knows the basics of boxing. Can box when he has to, and he can KO when he has to, and with one shot. If you can't KO him you may be in a for a very scary time over 12 rds.

He also has a chin that makes Khan look like George Chuvalo

walshb

dinorebel wrote: »

He also has a chin that makes Khan look like George Chuvalo

Well, to date he is undefeated. At HW with the power involved many of them are a punch away form lights out. Look at the champs, the so called elites at HW now. Do any of them have cast iron chins?

dinorebel

walshb wrote: »

Well, to date he is undefeated. At HW with the power involved many of them are a punch away form lights out. Look at the champs, the so called elites at HW now. Do any of them have cast iron chins?

That's the problem in a nutshell none of them are elite the fact that a fighter like Browne holds a version of a title shows how laughable the division is.

walshb

dinorebel wrote: »

That's the problem in a nutshell none of them are elite the fact that a fighter like Browne holds a version of a title shows how laughable the division is.

They are elite. They are the best around at the weight. Your view on their talent as boxers/fighters does not change that fact!

dinorebel

walshb wrote: »

They are elite. They are the best around at the weight. Your view on their talent as boxers/fighters does not change that fact!

I get your point but would struggle to see them as elite even in the bad days of the title changing hands every fight the likes of Witherspoon, Dokes, Bonecrusher Smith and Berbick would of been long term champs nowadays.

walshb

dinorebel wrote: »

I get your point but would struggle to see them as elite even in the bad days of the title changing hands every fight the likes of Witherspoon, Dokes, Bonecrusher Smith and Berbick would of been long term champs nowadays.

I don't see them as anything special. They don't wow me at all.

dinorebel

walshb wrote: »

I don't see them as anything special. They don't wow me at all.

Which is kind of my point even the worst of the eighties is better than what we have now. Joshua and Parker are potentially good as is Hughie Fury maybe other than that it's thin pickings you could add Usk I suppose if he moves up.

nacho libre

FTA69 wrote: »

True, I think Wilder is shaping up to be the real deal.
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I don't think he is. He struggled somewhat against his last opponent, until the ko shot. I can't see him unifying the division.

Henno30

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Povetkin beat Wilder.

megadodge

Henno30 wrote: »

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Povetkin beat Wilder.

Is that a typo?

Because most people expect Povetkin to win.

I've no doubt he'll be the bookies favourite.

badabing106

Henno30 wrote: »

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Povetkin beat Wilder.

The odds are that Wilder will get Poleaxed in Prussia by Povetkin. wilder doesn't really know what he has let himself in for. His quote "its too cold in Russia" is very telling. He doesn't reallly want to be there. Of course he has a legitmate chance to win win his size and power advantage but he is probably going to be out of his depth here


The contenders from the 80,s would have been fodder for the Klitschkos and the like of Fury

badabing106

Who do you think will win? If the fight takes place

I think Povetkin will win by ko . I would give Wilder a 1 in 3 chance. Sure he has the size and the power to beat anyone but he is so predictable offensively and so hopeless defensively, that he is going in on a wing and a prayer that his flailing shots connect

dinorebel

The fight wont happen he'll give up the title rather than travel to Russia.

walshb

dinorebel wrote: »

The fight wont happen he'll give up the title rather than travel to Russia.

That would't surprise me. Something doesn't sound right about the champ going to Russia to defend his title. It ain't Rocky IV.

badabing106

walshb wrote: »

That would't surprise me. Something doesn't sound right about the champ going to Russia to defend his title. It ain't Rocky IV.

Why? His backers didn't bid enough. Povetkin is a bigger name in Russia than Wilder is in America

Wilder will make the most money out of this fight. Wilder is contracted to get the biggest cut

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

That would't surprise me. Something doesn't sound right about the champ going to Russia to defend his title. It ain't Rocky IV.

You could be right, what i read a few days ago said it was a done deal, now it emerges that nothing has actually been finalised.

nacho libre

Povetkin by points.

nacho libre

pac_man wrote: »

Winning bid was by a Russian promoter which was over 7Mil. Wilder entitled to at least 4.5 Mil on the 70/30 split. Given them financials,I can't see any reason for it not to happen over there.

You would think not given the money involved, but i still can see Wilder avoiding it. I hope not. I really want to see Povetkin finally get the recognition he deserves and Wilder exposed. I don't understand what people see in him.

Johner

megadodge wrote: »

Is that a typo?

Because most people expect Povetkin to win.

I've no doubt he'll be the bookies favourite.

Wilder is the bookies fav.

Povetkin available at 6/5.

badabing106

nacho libre wrote: »

You would think not given the money involved, but i still can see Wilder avoiding it. I hope not. I really want to see Povetkin finally get the recognition he deserves and Wilder exposed. I don't understand what people see in him.

Wilder doesn't really want this fight . He said so himself "Russia is too cold". He would rather fight Tyson fury, A fight he has more chance of winning and making more money .

walshb

I would have leaned towards Povetkin being the bookies favourite. Povetkin is good, but somewhat overrated I feel. Against a bigger man with a far deadlier punch I don't think he will be nearly as effective.

Povetkin can be tagged rather easily, and if he thought the pawing and cautious attacks of Wlad were trouble, then he may be in bad shape when Wilder lets go and lands with far more passion and spite.

I could be wrong here, but Povetkin's power may be to Wilder's advantage, in the sense that Povetkin's power won't be really enough to trouble or discourage Wilder. The Povetkin points win is a good bet, but one that could backfire. Wilder is more than capable of being very competitive in a boxing match with the smaller Povetkin. The fact that this is in Russia will probabaly mean that Wilder needs KO win or a convincing points win. Anything close on points will go Povetkin's way.

I am rooting for Wilder by KO!

walshb

badabing106 wrote: »

The contenders from the 80,s would have been fodder for the Klitschkos and the like of Fury

You are on this buzz again. The Klits can compete in any era, Vitali more so. Wlad would get decimated by a few HWs. As for Fury. I would pick several men from the 80s to beat him, and beat him convincingly. He has size, and that's where it ends for me. Won't be enough for him to beat several so called "fodder."

megadodge

Johner wrote: »

Wilder is the bookies fav.

Povetkin available at 6/5.

That's actually a decent price for the Russian.
I would be shocked if Povetkin's price doesn't come in the closer the fight gets. That's if it actually goes ahead.

badabing106

walshb wrote: »

You are on this buzz again. The Klits can compete in any era, Vitali more so. Wlad would get decimated by a few HWs. As for Fury. I would pick several men from the 80s to beat him, and beat him convincingly. He has size, and that's where it ends for me. Won't be enough for him to beat several so called "fodder."

Of course the Klitschko s can compete in any era because they are well ahead in size and compatble skill than any era before them. Which guys would beat fury? His size and skill, you don't rate against the 80s guys?

walshb

badabing106 wrote: »

Of course the Klitschko s can compete in any era because they are well ahead in size and compatble skill than any era before them. Which guys would beat fury? His size and skill, you don't rate against the 80s guys?

All it would take is one solid clout from several 80s heavies and Fury is screwed. No, I don't see anything really special with Fury. Good size and that is it. He's a KO waiting to happen, and should he step in against a real hitter with talent he's done for.

magma69

I got Povetkin, he has (perhaps suspiciously) developed insane power for his size in recent years and is in the form of his life. It's crazy to see the Povetkin of late compared with the one that went life and death with Marco Huck. Then you have Wilder, who showed many doubters against Stiverne that he actually has some decent skills in his repertoire. His chin is just so suspect though that I can't see him not getting badly hurt at some stage. It's going to be a fun fight and perhaps it may take Povetkin a while to suss him out. Povetkin generally grows into fights so I think it will be at least the mid rounds before he gets Wilder out of there. It's a really fun fight though. Two top heavyweights that aren't fat, that will turn up to bring the action. Props to Wilder for taking the fight.

poa

I think it's not as close as the odds suggest (Wilder 1.8 v Povetkin 2.0).
Wilder has a height and reach advantage, and although Povetkin is strong and has stamina; he will struggle to connect anything heavy. Wilder isn't the hardest of punchers, but he does have speed. I don't see this being over quickly as Povetkin is a grinder and well able to last 10-12 rounds.
My prediction is Wilder wins on points. Or possibly a round 8-10 stoppage.
If Fury beats Klitschko again, I can see him facing Wilder next.
I have 100 Euro on Wilder at odds of 1.8

Andre 3000

poa wrote: »

I think it's not as close as the odds suggest (Wilder 1.8 v Povetkin 2.0).
Wilder has a height and reach advantage, and although Povetkin is strong and has stamina; he will struggle to connect anything heavy. Wilder isn't the hardest of punchers, but he does have speed. I don't see this being over quickly as Povetkin is a grinder and well able to last 10-12 rounds.
My prediction is Wilder wins on points. Or possibly a round 8-10 stoppage.
If Fury beats Klitschko again, I can see him facing Wilder next.
I have 100 Euro on Wilder at odds of 1.8

Eh? Povetkin is a very skilled tactical puncher...and Wilder is a very hard hitting puncher, arguably the hardest puncher in the division.

poa

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Eh? Povetkin is a very skilled tactical puncher...and Wilder is a very hard hitting puncher, arguably the hardest puncher in the division.

Fury and Klitschko are hard punchers. Wilder has height, reach, speed; but isn't a hard puncher compared to them. Povetkin is skilled, but as I stated he will struggle to land anything heavy on Wilder due to his reach and height advantage. Povetkin did well against similar height/reach opponents. And credit where credit is due, he has faced some hard opponents over the years like Klitschko. If they were the same height and reach I would actually favour Povetkin, for his strength and stamina alone. But They aren't; and Wilders reach means he will connect more than Povetkin. When two boxers go to toe to toe, and throw punches; the one with the longer reach connects more and withdraws faster. And that is how this will be won, on points decision due to Wilder throwing more and connecting more.
I think its going to look similar to Fury v Klitschko; with the smaller man fighting defensively, and the taller man coming forward and throwing more.
In any case, I think Wilder v Povetkin will be more entertaining than Fury v Klitschko was; reason being, both have an aggressive style that means coming forward from round one.
Maybe Povetkin will tyre after round 8 and we might see a stoppage round 8-10 when Wilder takes control of a tired Povetkin. I think Povetkin having to punch upwards all night will tire him faster. Wilder will be throwing down which takes less out of a boxer.
The only other factor is Povetkin's home advantage, which may push him on further. I don't see it mentally affecting Wilder though, or he wouldn't have taken the away fight.
For me its either Wilder on points decision, or a stoppage round 8-10. Povetkin is in for some punishment if it goes to rounds 10-12. Reason being, he has one gear all fight long, but Wilder can move up a gear when needed to finish the job. Looking at pictures of their condition; Wilder is in incredible shape compared to Povetkin. I think his fitness and stamina will be a factor from round 8 onwards.
How do you see the fight going?

Andre 3000

poa wrote: »

Fury and Klitschko are hard punchers. Wilder has height, reach, speed; but isn't a hard puncher compared to them. Povetkin is skilled, but as I stated he will struggle to land anything heavy on Wilder due to his reach and height advantage. Povetkin did well against similar height/reach opponents. And credit where credit is due, he has faced some hard opponents over the years like Klitschko. If they were the same height and reach I would actually favour Povetkin, for his strength and stamina alone. But They aren't; and Wilders reach means he will connect more than Povetkin. When two boxers go to toe to toe, and throw punches; the one with the longer reach connects more and withdraws faster. And that is how this will be won, on points decision due to Wilder throwing more and connecting more.
I think its going to look similar to Fury v Klitschko; with the smaller man fighting defensively, and the taller man coming forward and throwing more.
In any case, I think Wilder v Povetkin will be more entertaining than Fury v Klitschko was; reason being, both have an aggressive style that means coming forward from round one.
Maybe Povetkin will tyre after round 8 and we might see a stoppage round 8-10 when Wilder takes control of a tired Povetkin. I think Povetkin having to punch upwards all night will tire him faster. Wilder will be throwing down which takes less out of a boxer.
The only other factor is Povetkin's home advantage, which may push him on further. I don't see it mentally affecting Wilder though, or he wouldn't have taken the away fight.
For me its either Wilder on points decision, or a stoppage round 8-10. Povetkin is in for some punishment if it goes to rounds 10-12. Reason being, he has one gear all fight long, but Wilder can move up a gear when needed to finish the job. Looking at pictures of their condition; Wilder is in incredible shape compared to Povetkin. I think his fitness and stamina will be a factor from round 8 onwards.
How do you see the fight going?

Stopped reading here. I am sorry but Tyson Fury is not a hard puncher.

poa

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Stopped reading here. I am sorry but Tyson Fury is not a hard puncher.

Have a look at the pictures of Klitschko's face after the fight.
Anyone that can do that to Klitschko is a hard puncher.
The pictures speak for themselves.

poa

pac_man wrote: »

Since when is markings on a face reflective on punching power?

Since boxing began really.
More cuts and bruises means more harder punches taken.
Less cuts and bruises means less harder punches taken.
Fury and Klitschko are hard punchers, Wilder less so.

poa

pac_man wrote: »

Faces can be marked up without the need to punch hard! Have you considered
Wladimirs clinching style and the fact that its conducive to accidental headclashes? Not sure what this is got to do with this thread.

Google the pictures of the fight and you will see the connections of Fury's punches. The cuts and bruises on Klitschko's face were as a result of Fury's hard punches; not head clashes.
What he has to do with this thread; is that the Wilder v Povetkin fight will be similar to Fury v Klitschko, due to the height and reach difference. Longer reach and height means more connections. However I needed to clarify that Wilder does not punch as hard as Fury and Klitschko.
They are also relevant as the winner of Wilder v Povetkin will face Fury/Klitschko next for the unification. Fury has already predicted Wilder, and will face him next.
I think Haye beats Briggs, then Joshua fights Haye. Wilder is the most likely next opponent for Fury.
I wasn't aware of any head clashes between Fury and Klitschko, maybe you saw something I didn't?
Anyway, how do you see the Wilder v Povetkin fight going?

Andre 3000

At about 50:50, you see Fury's head clash with Wlad and that opened up the nasty cut under his eye....it was 100% due to a head clash. At 53:30 or so you see a slow-mo of it and even Roy Jones commenting the cut was due to a head clash, not a punch.

poa

OK, I have to admit you are right. I didn't see that. Fury's headbut caused that cut.
It reminds me of Tyson v Holyfield. Holyfield kept holding him and butting him.
I still think Fury and Klitschko are harder punchers than Wilder. And don't get me wrong, Povetkin will be no walkover for Wilder; its going to be close. Povetkin has more power than Wilder, but it won't be any good to him if he can't connect due to Wilders reach and height advantage. I don't see a knock out from Wilder, but maybe a stoppage if Povetkin tires say rounds 8-10.
Wilder has improved his movement in his last fight, and I think this could be a factor as he moves around to avoid Povetkin. Both aggressive styles though so it will be an exciting fight to watch. I am really looking forward to it.
How do you see the fight going yourself?

Morrison J

So Wilder has 35 KO's in 36 fights but no power?

Is there another Wilder on the scene I haven't heard of?

poa

Morrison J wrote: »

So Wilder has 35 KO's in 36 fights but no power?

Is there another Wilder on the scene I haven't heard of?

He hasn't faced anyone of the calibre of Fury or Klitschko yet. Povetkin will be his first serious test; just like Klitschko was Fury's.
Knocking out weak opponents counts for nothing. The day he knocks out Klitschko or Fury, that means something. He has speed, height, reach; like I said. And what he lacks in hard punching he makes up for with those advantages over opponents.
Overall I see Klitschko (up until 5 years ago), and Fury (currently) in a league above Wilder.
He is good, but they are on another level. They have it all, plus the hard punching; therefore a more complete heavyweight. Povetkin is limited by his height and reach. Heavyweights that are over 6 feet 5" have an advantage over him every time for that reason. Fury v Wilder will be a closer match due to similar reach and height, but Fury having a harder punch than Wilder.

Morrison J

poa wrote: »

He hasn't faced anyone of the calibre of Fury or Klitschko yet. Povetkin will be his first serious test; just like Klitschko was Fury's.
Knocking out weak opponents counts for nothing. The day he knocks out Klitschko or Fury, that means something. He has speed, height, reach; like I said. And what he lacks in hard punching he makes up for with those advantages over opponents.
Overall I see Klitschko (up until 5 years ago), and Fury (currently) in a league above Wilder.
He is good, but they are on another level. They have it all, plus the hard punching; therefore a more complete heavyweight. Povetkin is limited by his height and reach. Heavyweights that are over 6 feet 5" have an advantage over him every time for that reason. Fury v Wilder will be a closer match due to similar reach and height, but Fury having a harder punch than Wilder.

You say Wilder needs to KO a big name but who has Fury knocked out?

I agree Fury is a better all round boxer and he beats Wilder imo. Wilder has the power advantage on pretty much every heavyweight at the moment though. He's flawed as a fighter but has that one punch KO power that keeps him in every fight.

It's a pretty bold statement saying Wilder has no power. Surprised you just throw it out there so casually.

poa

Morrison J wrote: »

You say Wilder needs to KO a big name but who has Fury knocked out?

I agree Fury is a better all round boxer and he beats Wilder imo. Wilder has the power advantage on pretty much every heavyweight at the moment though. He's flawed as a fighter but has that one punch KO power that keeps him in every fight.

It's a pretty bold statement saying Wilder has no power. Surprised you just throw it out there so casually.

I didn't say he has no power. Don't misquote me. I said Wilder does not punch as hard as Fury and Klitschko. Agreed, Fury hasn't knocked out anyone of note. But he did beat Klitschko and that takes some doing. 5 years ago Klitschko was a level above Fury and Wilder, but father time catching up with him means the likes of Fury can beat him on points. I think Wilder would also beat Klitschko due to his youth, speed, and stamina.
Wilder v Fury would be interesting and close; due to similar height and reach. I would see it as an equal matchup that could go either way. Wilder can knock out that is a given, but can he knock out the likes of Fury? Maybe he can do enough to cause a stoppage with Povetkin in rounds 8-10, but I don't see him knocking him out. Povetkin is a tough grinder that can take punishment; and go 12 rounds when needed. Wilder will have a long and tough fight to beat him on points.
Like I said before; Povetkin is the first real test Wilder has had. His knockouts were from speed, reach, and height advantage more than hard punching power.

Rough Sleeper

So a punch's power is determined by its propensity to raise bruises and scrapes rather than its ability to render a 100kg+ man unconscious with a single blow. My 7-year-old niece is seriously heavy-handed so; she gave me a right shiner when she accidentally elbowed me in the face when we were playing.

You've gotta love the internet.

Rough Sleeper

Really looking forward to seeing how Povetkin handles Wilder's speedy-but-not-very-powerful punches. If he can get him in the pocket I think he might be able to bruise him enough to take the win.

poa

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

So a punch's power is determined by its propensity to raise bruises and scrapes rather than its ability to render a 100kg+ man unconscious with a single blow. My 7-year-old niece is seriously heavy-handed so; she gave me a right shiner when she accidentally elbowed me in the face when we were playing.

You've gotta love the internet.

Cool story bro.

Rough Sleeper

Take that dismissive tone with me again and I'll hit you so hard that you'll be bruised for a week