What AI bulls ye using this year for sucklers

50HX

breeding season is beginning to trickle on so just wonder what bulls are folks using...esp with the BDGP in mind

my own in the pot at the mo are DBZ,ZCH, HKG, FSZ, KYA and the last few of FL22

I Have ONI on the way

calved ROR yestarday- bull calf on time thank god, as he was massive, any longer it'd be the side gate....not going there again:eek:

grass n slurry

How much for the fl22 straws?

Have you used KYA before?

50HX

grass n slurry wrote: »

How much for the fl22 straws?

HAHA to quote DR Evil............one milon dollars.......:)i've been rationing them as it is and trying use then on second cycle heat so that they are not lost on repeats (worked ok last year)

tanko

Have On-Dit, Fiston, KYA, in the tank, getting Lisnacrann Sunnyboy and Gamin. They'll do me for this year I'd say.

grass n slurry

50HX wrote:

HAHA to quote DR Evil............one milon dollars.......:)i've been rationing them as it is and trying use then on second cycle heat so that they are not lost on repeats (worked ok last year)

There cheap at that price. He was a super bull. Easy calving and show quality off spring.

50HX

grass n slurry wrote: »

How much for the fl22 straws?

Have you used KYA before?

KYA on all heifers last 2 years

v happy with him, short gestation and v easy calving

used him on lmx fr heifers this year as a few replacements, wouldn't be as nice breedy heifers as my own beef replacements and they calved him no bother,

they are small but take off after 6-8weeks

lighter cattle are making the better money last few years at weanling stage IMO

grass n slurry

Has anyone kept heifers off KYA for breeding?

50HX

grass n slurry wrote: »

Has anyone kept heifers off KYA for breeding?

not yet but the plan is to in the future

grass n slurry

50HX wrote:

not yet but the plan is to in the future

I'm thinking of using him on pt x fr heifers this year to see how they turn out

50HX

grass n slurry wrote: »

I'm thinking of using him on pt x fr heifers this year to see how they turn out

wouldn't think you'll have any bother

grass n slurry

50HX wrote:

wouldn't think you'll have any bother

Hopefully I'll have a few heifers off him to see what they'll be like

tanko

grass n slurry wrote: »

Hopefully I'll have a few heifers off him to see what they'll be like

Would they not be on the small side for replacements?

High bike

grass n slurry wrote: »

Has anyone kept heifers off KYA for breeding?

have 2 for this year off dairy cows,nice heifers but not over big I'd say they will be calving at 30 mts rather than 24 mts

Sheep breeder

has KYA not got very poor docility and carcase conformation figures, what point in breeding a narrow mad cow just to have a 5 star replacement figure !!!

hoping to use on dit, gamin,dubai, on the lims and roberto,fiston, cf52,doncammillo, farouk on the char cows.

grass n slurry

tanko wrote:

Would they not be on the small side for replacements?

Not sure how they'd be really, there is only one way to find out I suppose. I'm just think the pt x KYA would be a nice mix with plenty milk

grass n slurry

Iv a mistake made, it's the Angus bull AYR I ment to say I'm thinking of using to breed replacements, mixed up the 2 bulls. Bit of a difference between the 2 when you look at the figures

RobinBanks

I have the following in the pot picked out for this year.

Landais (BA)
Kilboy Frank (BA)
Coucou (BB)
Imperial (BB)
Tintin de my (BB)
Germinal (BB)
Balto (PT)
Broomfield Regentcy (LM)
Rocky (LM)
Milbrook Dartangan (LM)

bogman_bass

Have you any calves from Balto this year?

I'll be using much the same as this year.

GJB and FL22 on Heifers and some second calvers

ZGH and ADX on good calvers.

IS4 and On-Dit for replacements

RobinBanks

bogman_bass wrote: »

Have you any calves from Balto this year?

I have used Balto this last few years on blue cows with mixed results. Last year i had a tank of a bull this year same cow same bull calf is plain enough. Shapey but very leggy

High bike

Sheep breeder wrote: »

has KYA not got very poor docility and carcase conformation figures, what point in breeding a narrow mad cow just to have a 5 star replacement figure !!!

hoping to use on dit, gamin,dubai, on the lims and roberto,fiston, cf52,doncammillo, farouk on the char cows.

no problem with docility in my ones anyway ,didn't know it was a problem with kya.

Kovu

Westside Bob & SFL, (BB)
KOY (BA)
KJB/EBY/Virginia Andy (LM)
CSQ (CH)

Pat the lad

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have the following in the pot picked out for this year.

Landais (BA)
Kilboy Frank (BA)
Coucou (BB)
Imperial (BB)
Tintin de my (BB)
Germinal (BB)
Balto (PT)
Broomfield Regentcy (LM)
Rocky (LM)
Milbrook Dartangan (LM)

how do you find imperial for calving and quality?

Pat the lad

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have the following in the pot picked out for this year.

Landais (BA)
Kilboy Frank (BA)
Coucou (BB)
Imperial (BB)
Tintin de my (BB)
Germinal (BB)
Balto (PT)
Broomfield Regentcy (LM)
Rocky (LM)
Milbrook Dartangan (LM)

how do you find imperial for calving and quality?

RobinBanks

Pat the lad wrote: »

how do you find imperial for calving and quality?

This will be the first year using him. He's a germinal son so should be ok for calving and quality. I will let you know!

50HX

have the last of my AA X brf calving down to KYA at the moment

what AI bull would ye recommend to put them back in calf to

tismesoitis

going with a lot more Parthenaise this year have
Usage USG
Diplodocus S951
Pepin S2100
Ursul URX
Reflex S816
and Carlo LRY in the tank and will get more Kyleherd Ivan ZKY

also will use
LGL and Fiston charolais

Barco EKB and Gordon GEU Belgian Blues.

Thinking of getting Kaprico Eravelle for the few pedigrees and for heifers but will wait to see how his calving ease figures hold in next proof run in april.

blue5000

50HX wrote: »

have the last of my AA X brf calving down to KYA at the moment

what AI bull would ye recommend to put them back in calf to

Blonde works well on those sort of cows, KOY, if you don't want to keep any of the calves for replacements, no milk there.

charolais0153

tismesoitis wrote: »

going with a lot more Parthenaise this year have
Usage USG
Diplodocus S951
Pepin S2100
Ursul URX
Reflex S816
and Carlo LRY in the tank and will get more Kyleherd Ivan ZKY

also will use
LGL and Fiston charolais

Barco EKB and Gordon GEU Belgian Blues.

Thinking of getting Kaprico Eravelle for the few pedigrees and for heifers but will wait to see how his calving ease figures hold in next proof run in april.

What will u do with the parthaneises . What kind of cows will they be put on

tismesoitis

will be put on 1st and 2nd cross limousins out of dairy bred stock. Will keep the best of the heifer calves for breeding.

charolais0153

tismesoitis wrote: »

will be put on 1st and 2nd cross limousins out of dairy bred stock. Will keep the best of the heifer calves for breeding.

What will happen all the bulls and non breeding heifers. Will you finish them or sell as weanlings

Mac Taylor

Bought 10 on-dit straws, so will use a share of them. Plan to use dancer and tonka. All lim Bulls. Will use a young tonka bull that I am keeping for the commercial heifers that I plan to let up.

tismesoitis

Finish bulls under 16 mts sell surplus heifers for breeding most should be 4 and 5 star replacement.

tanko

tismesoitis wrote: »

Finish bulls under 16 mts sell surplus heifers for breeding most should be 4 and 5 star replacement.

I think you asked about RIO before, I've two so far from heifers, a bull and heifer. Both were extremely easy calved at 9 months and 4 days, smallish leggy calves.

Tyson Lannister

In the tank for this year-
STQ. BB
LGL. CH
ODI. CH
BOURVIL. PT
COQUIN. PT
BALTO. PT
AIOLI. PT
AHZ. LM

tismesoitis

yeh Tanko since found out RIO not available anymore. Best of luck with them! the Ulsan bull from Dovea looks interesting as far as calving ease goes think i'll watch his proof too.

Farrell

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

In the tank for this year-
STQ. BB
LGL. CH
ODI. CH
BOURVIL. PT
COQUIN. PT
BALTO. PT
AIOLI. PT
AHZ. LM

How do you find ODI

Kovu

Better add VMP to my list, just used him on a blonde

RobinBanks

blue5000 wrote: »

Blonde works well on those sort of cows, KOY, if you don't want to keep any of the calves for replacements, no milk there.

No milk in KOY?

blue5000

RobinBanks wrote: »

No milk in KOY?

-5.23kg

RobinBanks

blue5000 wrote: »

-5.23kg

Have you seen many KOY cows with no milk? I only have a few but I couldn't say milk is an issue. Attached is a 25month old heifer that calved last week.

Bellview

Sheep breeder wrote: »

has KYA not got very poor docility and carcase conformation figures, what point in breeding a narrow mad cow just to have a 5 star replacement figure !!!

hoping to use on dit, gamin,dubai, on the lims and roberto,fiston, cf52,doncammillo, farouk on the char cows.

first I heard of KYA problems like that. he is off carton roe ernie so would be more traditional than some of other angus bulls & would not suffer from narrow behinds like some of the other easy calving bulls that have been imported by prog genetics

some of the best breeding cows I have had were off Carton roe. I still have one young cow and her first son was exported to Spain 6 months ago and the new owner is really happy with his thriving (& work)

patsy_mccabe

RobinBanks wrote: »

Have you seen many KOY cows with no milk? I only have a few but I couldn't say milk is an issue. Attached is a 25month old heifer that calved last week.

No shortage of milk there. What was the mother like for milk?

blue5000

RB I only had one. Your heifer must be getting it from the mother's side?

RobinBanks

blue5000 wrote: »

RB I only had one. Your heifer must be getting it from the mother's side?

maybe blue. I only use blondes on milky cows but KOY is a maternal bull so surprised at those figures.

blue5000

Within the breed his maternal figures are ok, but look across breeds too. It's hard to get everything right! They are quiet though.

I only found it out when I bought a very plain bull whose mother was by KOY, he threw super calves. I reckon the reason he was such a plain looking bull himself was because he was half starved as a calf.

charolais0153

I really only got interested in cows from picking the bulls but recently I have started saying to the ai man to pick a bull that will bring more height, muscle etc.i think this works better as he sees hundteds of calfs every year while we only have thirteen cows
.we generally give eby ,cwi or one of our own young aa bulls to the maiden heifers.

Bulls we have used is lzf. Fgg .fyb. csq.kjb .csq.wbh .stq .vdv

sonnybill

Have given this BB cow TVR past 2 years and she just pops them out .. They all fill out well.

bogman_bass

Your a braver man than me!

tanko

A neighbour of mine is into trying to produce show calves and uses TVR a lot, plenty of sections with him. His best cow was having a bull last year, he thought he'd take him with the Jack, calf got stuck at the hips and died, the cow died a week later.

patsy_mccabe

The funny thing is TVR and EFZ are both out of the same cow Ardlea Coillte.
TVR by Vantastic and EFZ by Ampertaine Commander. Huge difference between the two when it comes to calving.

Kovu

Had a fella saying that you could tell a limos calving difficulty by looking at his head, anyone ever hear of that? Something to do with a neat, small head.
Now personally I'd be looking at his arse