Private planes

Whispered

Are private planes allowed fly where they want? I'm in an estate and there is one flying over again and again all morning. It has been going on a few days now. Loud enough to wake you and we have a baby in the house. Driving all the dogs in the area mad too.

martinsvi

can you give us a somewhat precise location? I wonder if it's one of those survey aircrafts. Technically private planes can indeed go wherever they want with few exceptions, such as controlled airspaces where clearance is required and prohibited areas.

However most if not all aeroclubs will try to stay clear of any populated areas as much as possible - 1) there's not much to look at, 2) should your engine quit, it's the grass field in front that you want, not a housing estate.

Whispered

Ah ok, it's between Naas and Newbridge in Kildare. Kilcullen to be precise. I know I sound like a right moan but it's passing over every 3-5 minutes and is really really loud and low.

martinsvi

can you spot the registration marks on it? If it's that low you should be able to see letters written on a wing or side of the aircraft, post them here, that will give us a clue to what it is and what it want's. Kilcullen is just off the threshold for Kilrush airfield - but they do have quite strict noise abatement policies in place.

How long have you lived there and has this happened before?

Shannon757

What colour is it? It could be the Air Corps PC-9s.

Whispered

Ah I didn't check and I'm upstairs now trying to get the baby asleep (white noise turned up full blast) if he's about later I'll have a look or get a pic. Last few mornings it's been happening and then gone in the afternoon.

We are here 7 years and I've never noticed before. But previously I'd have been in work during the day. I'm now home with the baby. So I can't say really whether it happened before or not.

I know it's not a major problem, just a bit annoying and I can't expect silence ha . Probably someone doing a survey.

Whispered

Shannon757 wrote: »

What colour is it? It could be the Air Corps PC-9s.

Grey.

martinsvi

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40109241@N03/3712875543 ?

Shannon757

Whispered wrote: »

Grey.

Victor

Talk to these people: https://www.iaa.ie/

martinsvi

Victor wrote: »

Talk to these people: https://www.iaa.ie/

why? If no law is broken, and it would be very very difficult to prove otherwise, there's nothing IAA can do about it. The sensible action is to find out who they are and ask them, gently and politely, to take their racket someplace else

Our club had an issue with local stud, they called and complained that horses are not happy with our arrival procedures - fair enough, we moved our pattern a bit north. Some time later people from a village started calling up giving same old stories with babies unable to sleep and dogs barking.. sigh, we moved even further north to a point where our arrival procedure already looks as if we're just dumping fuel with no intention to land.. guess what? Now the golfers from the near by club are calling up blaming every missed shot on us.

Morale of the story, before you go up ringing authorities, it doesn't hurt to talk to people directly involved. There's a good chance that they already are avoiding someone else so it is ultimately up to them to decide who they care most for, in case they are completely trapped. Remember that good deal of our country side airfields where there long before housing estates and other suburban developments, so really your only option is being kind and polite. If the aircraft is not in breach of minimum altitude, which is mere 1000ft over towns and has all the legal paperwork to fly, there's nothing authorities or anyone else can do to stop it.

Whispered

Yeah I've no intention of ringing anybody to get someone into trouble and as I said I know I can't expect silence. I'm home with the baby over a year now and it hasn't been as noticeable until the last few days, so I'm hoping it's just someone doing something rather than a new fly area.

They left at about 11am today, yesterday it was later, so hopefully that's it now.
Apologies if my "same old story" caused you to sigh. Thanks for your help.

Elemonator

Is this it? It's been flying over my area for a while, they fly very low. It's for a geological survey.

Whispered

Elemonator wrote: »

Is this it? It's been flying over my area for a while, they fly very low. It's for a geological survey.

It looks more like this one than the other pics kindly posted by martinsvi and shannon. The bars between the body and the wings mainly. But I'm not sure. Makes sense!

EchoIndia

That survey aircraft departed from Ireland a few months ago.

Negative_G

martinsvi wrote: »

If the aircraft is not in breach of minimum altitude, which is mere 1000ft over towns

Incorrect.

Fixed wing aircraft must be 1500ft AGL over built up areas or 500ft AGL in non residential areas. Helicopter limit is 500ft AGL over both residential and non residential areas.

martinsvi

Negative_G wrote: »

Incorrect.

Fixed wing aircraft must be 1500ft AGL over built up areas or 500ft AGL in non residential areas. Helicopter limit is 500ft AGL over both residential and non residential areas.

this is how it used to be up until last year, but since SERA was introduced, the 1500ft limit is now reduced to 1000ft, same way Night VFR outside controlled airspace is now legal etc. It contains a bulk of small but interesting changes, so if you're an active pilot, I suggest you look them up as they generally tend to favor VFR and GA a bit more than old regulations

Xpro

martinsvi wrote: »

this is how it used to be up until last year, but since SERA was introduced, the 1500ft limit is now reduced to 1000ft, same way Night VFR outside controlled airspace is now legal etc. It contains a bulk of small but interesting changes, so if you're an active pilot, I suggest you look them up as they generally tend to favor VFR and GA a bit more than old regulations

I was just about to say that, 1500ft no longer applies under new EASA regs.

But either ways, Naas, Newbridge areas are within Military airspace R16 and more then likely it was Air Corps that were flying around, as I live around Naas too and see them quite a lot lately, especially flying in formations and at around 1000-1500ft..

Pat Dunne

Xpro wrote: »

But either ways, Naas, Newbridge areas are within Military airspace R16 and more then likely it was Air Corps that were flying around, as I live around Naas too and see them quite a lot lately, especially flying in formations and at around 1000-1500ft..

Currently practicing for the 1916 Centenary Commemorations. GPO fly-by on Easter Sunday.

Negative_G

martinsvi wrote: »

this is how it used to be up until last year, but since SERA was introduced, the 1500ft limit is now reduced to 1000ft, same way Night VFR outside controlled airspace is now legal etc. It contains a bulk of small but interesting changes, so if you're an active pilot, I suggest you look them up as they generally tend to favor VFR and GA a bit more than old regulations

I was aware of SERA and the changes particularly in relation to night flying.

I see on the current IAA aeronautical notice index that there is a notice explicitly relating to night VFR in the Shannon FIR.

I assume(perhaps wrongly), that while SERA changes have been published unless they are explicitly adopted and published via a notice that the existing rules are still valid.

A couple of search results refer to a 'difference matrix' being published by the IAA but I cannot find it on their site.

If you have a link, I would appreciate it.

I was under the impression the existing rules were still in operation so I'll retract my original post !

martinsvi

Negative_G wrote: »

I assume(perhaps wrongly), that while SERA changes have been published unless they are explicitly adopted and published via a notice that the existing rules are still valid.

A couple of search results refer to a 'difference matrix' being published by the IAA but I cannot find it on their site.

If you have a link, I would appreciate it.

I was under the impression the existing rules were still in operation so I'll retract my original post !

technically SERA supersedes whatever local rules and laws are in force in EASA member countries. If a member country is not happy with a certain rule, it must publish an exception through AIP. Since no exceptions have been published, I interpret that as if IAA are accepting the full package and will address the conflicting information in their AIPs/ Irish Statues whenever they feel like it..

Whispered

Xpro wrote: »

But either ways, Naas, Newbridge areas are within Military airspace R16 and more then likely it was Air Corps that were flying around, as I live around Naas too and see them quite a lot lately, especially flying in formations and at around 1000-1500ft..

These guys tend to be around a lot, but they usually fly higher than the plane I initially asked about. There were six of them in formation today. Great to look at.

No the plane in the op was a smaller, simpler looking thing. I'm very unfamiliar with planes and on mobile so can't google image on another tab to post but the best way I can think to describe it is similar to those planes that land on water but with wheels. You know the bars between the wing and body, light looking wings, wheels out at a slight angle.

Anyway, he wasn't back today so maybe he's finished whatever he was doing

jimbis

Air Corps Cessna maybe?